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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: JaspersMum on October 04, 2006, 10:50:56 PM
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Just had Louies pedigree and found lots about his dad's side of the family, especially as lots of links to Jaspers mum's side which I had already researched!
I know mum was a worker type but would be interested to know if any of these are show types. I can see many of the maternal side of the pedigree are workers as they are FT CH. Any help or indeed, any relatives out there?
Mother:- Kenmilquinn Sally
Prince William of Dyfed
LLanwenog Prince
Satin Lady
Casper Franklin
Worrom Pat Garrett
Synod Moonlight Sonata
Becky’s Happy go Lucky at Synod
Horizon Sun Everrett Man at Tavin
Red Horizon at Tavin
Black Diamond Pippa
Parkgate Honey
Teifi Thunderbolt
Charming Charlotte Girl
Blaenpants Rustic Charmer
FT CH Regulusknowe Gold of Maesydderwen
FTW Troublesome Sam of Maesydderwen
FTW Rowston Sarah
Kenyee Black Tie
FT CH Wernffrwd Cymro Du
Steadroc Emily
Honey of Steadroc
Housty Joyous Jude Wren of George Way
Craigmar Rob
Tayburn Lorne
Whinpark Fawn
FT CH Maesydderwen Jackdaw
Whinpark Chloe of Windmillwood
FT CH Anahar Allspice
Dads side – Donona Trishadon Midnight to Mollyfleck by Reinots Rockafella and mother follows Reinots, Avandora and Classicway Chopin at Sorbrook, both sides linking with Jasper, who is by Cardamine Dreamtime (which makes him half brother to Honey (Honeysmum) and Harvey (Uncon)) and whos' mum, Wingate Mandrin Dream, is from Sorbrook Bucks Fizz/Classicway Chopin at Sorbrook lines.
I can see how this gets so addictive! Wish I could find more pictures though, especially the workers side.
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Mum's only half worker - the top half of her pedigree looks mainly to be pet/commercial breeding, no show breeding as such that I can see which means it won't be easy to trace this half of the pedigree back further or find any photos. You'll probably have more luck with the working half ;)
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Yeah i recognise the working bit, some of my dogs rellies in there , I agree with jane on the top bit
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Mum's only half worker - the top half of her pedigree looks mainly to be pet/commercial breeding, no show breeding as such that I can see which means it won't be easy to trace this half of the pedigree back further or find any photos. You'll probably have more luck with the working half ;)
Being a bit thick, does that mean that the fathers side would have been more likely show type appearance rather than short-coated workers?
Louie came from a farm in Wales where they had bred a litter from their family/farm working bitch so could quite understand that she had come from a line of similar types.
I have already found some of the lines from her mothers side whilst Louies Father and Jaspers show type backgrounds have been much easier to trace here and generally on the web!
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Being a bit thick, does that mean that the fathers side would have been more likely show type appearance rather than short-coated workers?
Yes father's line looks to be all show-type.
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I only have a part of the pedigree of Maesydderwen Jackdaw.
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I don't know much about all of this, so don't really know what else you need, but Buddy's grandfather is Maesydderwen Jackdaw so I have another 3 generations if you want them.
Just let me know.
From perpetually puzzled of Reading!
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Thanks Annette, found some parts including Jackdaw, it was mainly the line going back from Horizon Sun (Louies mothers paternal side) I was stumped on and explained by Jane S.
Looks like I am not very likely to follow much there but was interested to know if there was a straight 50:50 split of worker:Show type in Louies line. Dodona Midnight to Mollyfleck (Louies dad) are all show line and the maternal side of Louies mums line are workers. If the Horizon Sun side were also workers he'd be 50:50, as show type he'd be 25% worker and 75% show type, hope that makes some sense.
Thought it might give us a clue how the little demon might turn out in appearance!
Louie at 10 weeks.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/jaspersmum/Louie/P9260052.jpg)
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Same mix as Buddy. His mum is 1/2 worker, dad is full show so Buddy = 1/4 worker.
He and his siblings are all a little different now as far as coat, feathers etc are concerned.
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Pedigree Of HORIZON SUN
Sex: Dog
Variety: Golden
D.o.B: 25/08/2001
Inbreeding: 4.6%
+-- SH CH SORBROOK CHRISTMAS KNIGHT, Black
+-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| +-- QUETTADENE FASCINATION, Black & Tan
+-- TEIFI STORMCLOUD, Black
| | +-- SH CH HELENWOOD HAYMAKER
| +-- TEIFI NIGHT LITE, Black
| +-- SH CH TEIFI NIGHTSHADE
+-- PRINCE WILLIAM OF DYFED, Golden
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| | +-- GOLDEN PRINCE OF MERINO
| | | +-- STRATFORD LADY
| +-- GEMMA OF BONCATH, Golden
| | +-- PENYBANK PEPPERMINT, Golden
| +-- HEDDWCH'S GOLD SATIN
| +-- INDEX SHAN
+-- LLANWENOG PRINCE, Black
| | +-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| | +-- TEIFI STORMCLOUD, Black
| | | +-- TEIFI NIGHT LITE, Black
| | +-- TEIFI THUNDERBOLT, Red
| | | | +-- CHASBO MR MAGOO OF TRULYNN
| | | +-- TEIFI BLACK SPARKLE, Black
| | | +-- TEIFI CUT ABOVE, Black
| +-- SATIN LADY, Black
| | +-- MR MAGEE, Golden
| | +-- SUNRISE OLIVER, Golden
| | | +-- MINSKIP TOYATAM, Red
| +-- BLACK PEPPER OF GWILI, Black
| | +-- TEIFI GOLD MADALLION, Red
| +-- DARK LADY OF GWILI, Black
| +-- TEIFI GIPSY MOTH, Black
+-- CASPER FRANKLIN, Golden
| | +-- SH CH BENEDICT OF BROOMLEAF, Black
| | +-- SH CH BROOMLEAF BRIGHT MEMORY, Black
| | | +-- Buttercandy of Broomleaf, Red
| | +-- QUETTADENE MEMENTO, Black
| | | | +-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| | | +-- QUETTADENE PICTURESQUE, Black & Tan
| | | +-- QUETTADENE EBONY BLOOM
| | +-- WORROM PAT GARRETT, Red
| | | | +-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| | | | +-- SH CH CANIGOU MR HAPPY, Black
| | | | | +-- CANIGOU ISABELLA CORAL, Golden
| | | +-- WORROM GOLDEN VIRGINIA, Golden
| | | | +-- TEIFI CRACKER JACK, Black
| | | +-- WORROM WARM RAIN, Red
| | | +-- HANLEY GOLDEN NUGGET, Golden
| +-- SYNOD MOONLIGHT SONATA, Golden
| | +-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| | +-- SH CH CANIGOU MR HAPPY, Black
| | | +-- CANIGOU ISABELLA CORAL, Golden
| | +-- WORROM DIRE STRAITS, Black
| | | | +-- TEIFI CRACKER JACK, Black
| | | +-- WORROM WARM RAIN, Red
| | | +-- HANLEY GOLDEN NUGGET, Golden
| +-- BECKY'S HAPPY GO LUCKY AT SYNOD, Black
| | +-- MR MAGEE, Golden
| | +-- SUNRISE OLIVER, Golden
| | | +-- MINSKIP TOYATAM, Red
| +-- RONA RED SATIN, Golden
| | +-- REX OF SMILEY, Red
| +-- BECKY AUTUMNGOLD, Golden
| +-- WELLWOOD CARIAD, Golden
+-- HORIZON SUN, Golden
| +-- LOCHRANZA COUNTRY STYLE
| +-- SH CH LOCHRANZA LIKE YOUR STYLE, Red
| | +-- LOCHRANZA CANDY FLOSS
| +-- LOCHRANZA TRICK OR TREAT, Red
| | | +-- SH CH LOCHRANZA NEWSPRINT
| | +-- LOCHRANZA TREAT ME PRETTY
| | +-- LOCHRANZA TOFFEE TREAT
| +-- EVERRETT MAN AT TAVIN, Golden
| | | +-- SH CH LOCHRANZA MAN OF FASHION, Black
| | | +-- LOCHRANZA TOUCH OF CLASS, Black
| | | | +-- LOCHRANZA YELLOW WELLIES, Black & Tan
| | +-- LOCHRANZA MAGIC TOUCH, Black
| | | +-- LOCHRANZA COUNTRY SQUIRE
| | +-- LOCHRANZA SANDLEWOOD, Red
| | +-- LOCHRANZA SEA CORAL
| +-- RED HORIZON AT TAVIN, Gold
| | | +-- SH CH JANEACRE NIGHT SKIPPER OF HELENWOOD, Black
| | | +-- HELENWOOD GRITTAR, Black
| | | | +-- SH CH HELENWOOD AMERELLA, Golden
| | | +-- SH CH HELENWOOD HORIZON, Black
| | | | | +-- SH CH HELENWOOD HAYMAKER
| | | | +-- HELENWOOD TAMBARILLA, Golden
| | | | +-- HELENWOOD ANNMARIE, Black
| | +-- BLACK DIAMOND PIPPA, Black
| | | +-- NUTSLADE GLAMOUR BOY
| | | +-- RINGSLADE LUCKY MAN
| | | | +-- TORVIEW ARAMINTA
| | +-- MARLOWE ROSE, Gold
| | | +-- PENTAVY GOLDEN PLOVER
| | +-- LIEMONCHEK ROSE, Golden
| | +-- RINGSLADE GOLDEN SILK
+-- PARKGATE HONEY, Golden
| +-- SH CH SORBROOK CHRISTMAS KNIGHT, Black
| +-- SH CH QUETTADENE EMBLEM, Black
| | +-- QUETTADENE FASCINATION, Black & Tan
| +-- TEIFI STORMCLOUD, Black
| | | +-- SH CH HELENWOOD HAYMAKER
| | +-- TEIFI NIGHT LITE, Black
| | +-- SH CH TEIFI NIGHTSHADE
| +-- TEIFI THUNDERBOLT, Red
| | | +-- SH CH LOCHRANZA NEWSPRINT
| | | +-- CHASBO MR MAGOO OF TRULYNN
| | | | +-- TRULYNN CORN DOLLY
| | +-- TEIFI BLACK SPARKLE, Black
| | | +-- SH CH PLATONSTOWN SUPER DUPER, Black
| | +-- TEIFI CUT ABOVE, Black
| | +-- TEIFI MIDNIGHT
+-- CHARMING CHARLOTTE GIRL, Golden
| +-- VALRAI SIR ECHO
| +-- SIR CRISPIN OF VALRAI, Red Sable
| | +-- PATTERN'S EBONY BELLE
| +-- GOLDEN HARVEST PRINCE, Golden
| | | +-- SYSTONS DANIELLA
| | +-- SYSTONS MISTY MOON, Golden
| | +-- SYSTONS BEDELIA WALTZ, Golden
+-- BLAENPANTS RUSTIC CHARMER, Golden
| +-- GOLDEN CONQUER, Golden
| +-- LLWYN WALTER
| | +-- PAGEAN SUE
+-- GOLDIE OF MANTEG, Golden
| +-- LLWYN PRINCE
+-- LLWYN MARY
+-- LLWYN PEPSI
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Pedigree Of HOUSTY JOYOUS JUDE
Sex: Bitch
Variety: Yellow (presumably Lemon!!)
D.o.B: 18/09/2000
Inbreeding: 7.5%
See you have one of HM The Queen's dog in this pedigree
+-- TAYBURN FLEET, Golden
+-- FT CH HOUSTY SOLO, Blue Roan
| +-- GWIBERNANT SLY
+-- FT CH MAESYDDERWEN JACKDAW, Black & White
| | +-- FT CH CRAIG FELIN ANGUS, Golden
| +-- FT CH WINTONWILDFOWL DOTTEREL, Golden & White
| +-- NANCARROW SAFFRON, Lemon & White
+-- FT CH REGULUSKNOWE GOLD OF MAESYDDERWEN, White & Lemon
| | +-- BUNTER OF BRUACH, Blue Roan
| | +-- FT CH STOORIE OF LAIGHPARK, Lemon Roan
| | | +-- BROCKHILL MEG, Lemon & White
| +-- FT CH LAIGHPARK MIST, Black & White
| | +-- CORWAR JACK
| +-- FT CH LAIGH PARK DAZZLE, White & Black Points
| +-- LAIGH PARK LUCY, White & Black
+-- American Field Champion TROUBLESOME SAM OF MAESYDDERWEN, Black
| | +-- FT CH SMUT OF JORDIELAND, Blue Roan
| | +-- FT CH SWALLOW LAW SNIPE, Liver
| | | +-- MISTY LAW KATY, Liver
| | +-- FT CH MAESYDDERWEN KESTREL, Liver
| | | | +-- FT CH RHU OF MIGDALE, Liver & White
| | | +-- FT CH WERNFFRWD MELYNGOCH, Liver
| | | +-- FT CH GWIBERNANT SNAKE, Black
| +-- FTW ROWSTON SARAH, Liver
| | +-- WINDMILLWOOD SOCKS
| | +-- FT CH CRAIG FELIN ANGUS, Golden
| | | +-- FT CH NANCARROW GYPSY, Black & White
| +-- FT CH GINGER IMP OF ROWSTON, Chocolate Roan
| | +-- FT CH HOUSTY SOLO, Blue Roan
| +-- MOUNT PLEASANT LASS, Blue Roan
| +-- FT CH WERNFFRWD MELYNGOCH, Liver
+-- KENYEE BLACK TIE, Black & White
| | +-- KNEVETON ROLLER
| | +-- SIMON OF KENSTAFF
| | | +-- FLYHALL SHANDY
| | +-- FT CH JADE OF LIVERMERE, Lemon & White
| | | | +-- JORDIELAND BLOND BOY
| | | +-- KIM OF HOLCOT, Liver & White
| | | +-- BROOMBANK BOUNCE
| | +-- FT CH WERNFFRWD CYMRO DU, Black
| | | | +-- SOUTHFIELD SAM
| | | | +-- FT CH RHU OF MIGDALE, Liver & White
| | | | | +-- GINGER OF GWIBERNANT, Silver
| | | +-- FT CH WERNFFRWD CI TWT, Black
| | | | +-- JASPER OF GWIBERNANT
| | | +-- FT CH GWIBERNANT SNAKE, Black
| | | +-- IMP OF GWIBERNANT
| +-- STEADROC EMILY, Black & White
| | +-- FT CH BUNTER OF JORDIELAND, Lemon & White
| | +-- WINDMILLWOOD SOCKS
| | | +-- SOOTY OF WIND MILLWOOD, Black
| | +-- FT CH CRAIG FELIN ANGUS, Golden
| | | | +-- BURNHATCH BRIG
| | | +-- FT CH NANCARROW GYPSY, Black & White
| | | +-- MORBORNE TELL
| +-- HONEY OF STEADROC, Golden
| | +-- BURNHATCH BRIG
| | +-- NANCARROW QUICKSILVER
| | | +-- GWIBERNANT EBONY OF RAWRETH
| +-- NANCARROW SAFFRON, Lemon & White
| | +-- FT CH CARSWELL ZERO, Black & White
| +-- GAUDINS PSYCHE
| +-- BUSYBEE OF GAUDINS, Black & White
+-- HOUSTY JOYOUS JUDE, Yellow
| +-- GWIBERNANT CAPCAJOU
| +-- FT CH GWIBERNANT EEL, Blue Roan
| | +-- MONNOW ELIZABETH, B&W
| +-- FT CH SMUT OF JORDIELAND, Blue Roan
| | | +-- JORDIELAND TIP, Black & White
| | +-- DACRE JET
| | +-- LUCY FEATHERS
| +-- WREN OF GEORGE WAY, Black & White
| | | +-- FT CH CARSWELL ZERO, Black & White
| | | +-- BLACKIE OF JORDIELAND, Black
| | | | +-- DAVINIAG OF DUCHRAE
| | +-- MISTY LAW SUZIE, Black & White
| | | +-- FT CH BEIDLIESTON SPAR, Black & White
| | +-- GEAN OF BEIDLIESTON
| | +-- GENIE OF GOLDSPAN, Black & White
| +-- CRAIGMAR ROB, Black & White
| | | +-- FT CH CARSWELL ZERO, Black & White
| | | +-- FT CH BUNTER OF JORDIELAND, Lemon & White
| | | | +-- DAVINIAG OF DUCHRAE
| | | +-- ABBOTSKIRK BLACK BALLAD
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| | +-- TAYBURN LORNE, Black & White
| | | +-- FT CH SANDRINGHAM MANGO, Black & White
| | | +-- GREGORY OF ANAHAR
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| | +-- FT CH TAYBURN BRORA, Black & White
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+-- WHINPARK FAWN, Black & White
| +-- LAMMERLAW MUFFIN, Lemon & White
| +-- TAYBURN FLEET, Golden
| | +-- FT CH TAYBURN COCKLE, Black & White
| +-- FT CH HOUSTY SOLO, Blue Roan
| | | +-- JASPER OF GWIBERNANT
| | +-- GWIBERNANT SLY
| | +-- IMP OF GWIBERNANT
| +-- FT CH MAESYDDERWEN JACKDAW, Black & White
| | | +-- WINDMILLWOOD SOCKS
| | | +-- FT CH CRAIG FELIN ANGUS, Golden
| | | | +-- FT CH NANCARROW GYPSY, Black & White
| | +-- FT CH WINTONWILDFOWL DOTTEREL, Golden & White
| | | +-- NANCARROW QUICKSILVER
| | +-- NANCARROW SAFFRON, Lemon & White
| | +-- GAUDINS PSYCHE
+-- WHINPARK CHLOE OF WINDMILLWOOD, Blue Roan
| +-- CROFTMUIR SIMON
| +-- JORDIELAND TIP, Black & White
| | +-- JORDIELAND TWIGGY
| +-- FT CH JAMES OF ANAHAR
| | | +-- FT CH CARSWELL ZERO, Black & White
| | +-- FT CH LOLLIPOP OF ANAHAR, Black & White
| | +-- TAYBURN JOHANNIE, Blue Roan
+-- FT CH ANAHAR ALLSPICE, Black
| +-- FT CH CONCRAIG TEAL, Black White & Tan
| +-- LAMMERLAW MUFFIN, Lemon & White
| | +-- EIDER DELPHORRIE
+-- FT CH TAYBURN VALENTINA OF ANAHAR
| +-- FT CH CARSWELL ZERO, Black & White
+-- FT CH TAYBURN COCKLE, Black & White
+-- FT CH TAYBURN RON
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wow loads of my ellies relatives on that last pedigree :D
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Pedigree Of HOUSTY JOYOUS JUDE
See you have one of HM The Queen's dog in this pedigree
Does that mean we have to curtsey to him now or is the blue blood diluted enough?
Thank you for all the research, we had some but its great going that little bit further back as well.
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ahh - think you;re safe enough ;) Some of mine have this line too but dont tell them LOL :005:
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Do you have a database that gave you all that info Kirsten re Cocker pedigrees. Can I be nosy and ask what it is?
Thanks
Alex
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Kirsten's got the KC database for Cockers - she's one of the lucky ones as it's not available to buy any more ;)
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yes - I bought the KC database which ran up to AE2 I think before the plug was pulled, although my discs only go up to AB4 (long story). Everything after that I am adding to a spreadsheet manually and will have to upload as a csv. My data has all been moved over to Breeders Assistant Prof though otherwise I couldnt do it that way in batches. However, there are many many missing old dogs on the original KC data. pre 1984 it gets a bit ropey and although for example a sh ch/ft ch from 1963 may be listed, there are no parents linked to them unless they too had their stud book number and often no colour so I have a huge task of going through as many old stud books and monthly BRS's as I can lay my hands on The original data as supplied by the KC did not give breeders or owners, nor eye tests or hip scores as published in the BRS so all that data(health only) is being added bit by bit retro
For example (and showing that I do like old fashioned show types ;I greatly admire her photos)
the following data has been moved from the KC database to BA - this is the data as supplied by the KC - I know she was a full CH and blue roan and also her breeding but she's one that I havent worked on yet - this is all that was supplied by the KC
Pedigree Of LUCKLENA MUSICAL MAID
Sex: Bitch
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