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Cocker Specific Discussion => General Cocker Spaniel Discussion => Topic started by: Max X 2 on January 28, 2007, 11:08:16 AM
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Sine reading that some of you feed your dogs pilchards, Max now has a weekly treat of Pilchards in tomatoe sauce.
I've noticed that I've bought a tin that are in brine by mistake ::) Is it OK to feed him this?
Also...Training Treats. At training Max has chicken, last week he was more interested in what everyone else had, but then he wasn't the only one. So - Hot Dogs? I've never bought them but when I looked in the shop the other day I noticed there was a wide selection. Are there some that are more suitable than others/any to avoid? I guess I'd need to heat them through 1st :huh:
I think I might also give him the occasional bit of cheese too. I never have done in the past as my OH read in a book that it isn't good for them, but I've since read that alot of people give it as a training treat. Who's right?
Thanks in advance.
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Whenever I've picked up pilchards in brine by mistake (on more than one occasion!!), I just drain it all off before giving it too them.
As for the training treats, you can use anything really. I've used hot dogs in the past - just a bog standard tin with all the juices drained chopped up into small pieces. I don't heat them through - they just get them as they come. A lot of people at training use cheese - I would imagine that too much of it wouldnt be good for them but you really do only need to cut it into teeny bits.
I've started using a mixture of treats i my treat bag so that they never know what they are going to get. I like to think it keeps them interested!!
Have you tried liver cake / sardine cake / tuna bread??
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I buy the packs of 10 hotdog sausages from the refrigerated section in the supermarket; I but them when they are on BOGOF, and then slice them into tiny pieces so they last for ages ;) they are pre-cooked, so don't need to be heated :D
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Hadnt thought about the brine situation, Blue & the cats shared a tin this morning :o No need to wash his bowl it is sparkling :005:
Is the one in tomato sauce better ?
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I've started using a mixture of treats i my treat bag so that they never know what they are going to get. I like to think it keeps them interested!!
never thought of mixing the treat bag - what a great idea ;)
Cheese I only use very tiny bits for returning to the whistle. (Altho now we are at the stage of treat only on an immediate response to the whistle ;) )
I use some of their food allowence of kibble for training with a clicker, and do this training before they are fed so they are hungry and even keener to please. It was suggested by the behaviourist I saw. to make them work for their food and train at the same time. So i take a handful of their food and train and then they get the jack pot of breakfast or tea ;)
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If mine ever get tinned fish I prefer to get them one that's in oil --- mackeral, sardine, tuna
Training treats I often use now are 'frolic' with a bit of cheese squashed in the hole in the middle --- these are the high value ones I reserve for new/difficult training, but out and about I just use webbox or schmackos, or just their normal kibble
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After reading the threads on here I've been using Primula cheese; Domino's not that keen on it but Spike absolutely loves it & it has the advantage of not making a mess on hands or coat pockets! ;)
It's very processed & when I've tasted it it leaves a rather unpleasant after taste but,hey, if it gets Spike to come back to me on walks it's got to be a good thing!! :shades:
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Pilchards in brine: Too high in salt for a dog, tomato sauce/ sunflower oil would be better.
Training treats: Cheese in tiny amounts are OK. Again can be high in salt so not too much.
Have you tried making your own treats? Fern would sell her soul for the recipes on this site. No additives either ;)
http://www.itsaspringthing.co.uk/willows%20kitchen.htm
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I use the pilchards and sardines in tomato sauce or olive oil because of the salt content in brine as Happydog says.
I mix up their treat bag as well, I use Nature's Menu chicken treats, broken up gravy bones, tiny bits of cheese, bits of dried up tuna bread and bits of hot dog sausage all chucked in a ziploc bag so they get a lucky dip every time :lol:
For Alfie's recall I use tiny bits of cheese as that's his favourite thing and also Primula sometimes as well. He ONLY gets a treat if he responds first time though and every so often when he responds first time he gets a 'jackpot' and a whole handful of cheese :D
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bits of dried up tuna bread
What's Tuna bread??? Billy loves tuna but have never heard of Tuna bread :D
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bits of dried up tuna bread
What's Tuna bread??? Billy loves tuna but have never heard of Tuna bread :D
It's so easy to make, it's basically eggs, flour, olive oil and tuna mixed up, spread over a plate and bunged in the microwave :D
The recipe is in Willow's Kitchen on Spring Thing along with lots of other recipes :D
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bits of dried up tuna bread
What's Tuna bread??? Billy loves tuna but have never heard of Tuna bread :D
It's so easy to make, it's basically eggs, flour, olive oil and tuna mixed up, spread over a plate and bunged in the microwave :D
The recipe is in Willow's Kitchen on Spring Thing along with lots of other recipes :D
ooohhh cheers for that. I'll take a look ;)
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bits of dried up tuna bread
What's Tuna bread??? Billy loves tuna but have never heard of Tuna bread :D
It's so easy to make, it's basically eggs, flour, olive oil and tuna mixed up, spread over a plate and bunged in the microwave :D
The recipe is in Willow's Kitchen on Spring Thing along with lots of other recipes :D
My two have to compete with the cats for it as well ::)
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;) I'd prefer them in oil or sauce because of the salt content in the brine :shades:
Rightly or wrongly, :huh: I also have a problem with hot dog sausage as these are highly processed and have a high salt and preservative content :-\
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;) I'd prefer them in oil or sauce because of the salt content in the brine :shades:
Rightly or wrongly, :huh: I also have a problem with hot dog sausage as these are highly processed and have a high salt and preservative content :-\
I agree ;) I gave those things to Harmy in his last days just to get him to have something, but the salt content was not good really :-\
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Rightly or wrongly, :huh: I also have a problem with hot dog sausage as these are highly processed and have a high salt and preservative content :-\
I agree :D They are a high value reward for agility and recall only for Molo; just like kids, the things that dogs like best (and so work hardest for) tend to be bad for them ::) Sausages are salty, things like liver/tuna bread have wheat in, cheese is high fat, and Smacko's and other dog treats are not much better :005:
I have always used mixed treat bags; one of the advantages is that the moisture from the hotdog sausage soaks into the kibble/dried liver and other less exciting rewards to give it extra interest ;)
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I mostly just use kibble for training - JWB Ocean White fish. I always take a few pieces of Sea Jerky and Sea biscuits out too though, as high value reward for fast recall etc - my dogs love 'em. You can get them HERE (http://www.fish4dogs.com/cms/foodstore.aspx), if anyone is interested.
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I mostly just use kibble for training - JWB Ocean White fish. I always take a few pieces of Sea Jerky and Sea biscuits out too though, as high value reward for fast recall etc - my dogs love 'em. You can get them HERE (http://www.fish4dogs.com/cms/foodstore.aspx), if anyone is interested.
oohhh they look good !! Do they smell really bad though? ph34r
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I ordered some of the sea jerky stuff through work and they all absolutely love it - it does smell fishy but not overbearing ;)
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The sea jerky looks the same as the Burns Ocean Bites... ;)
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The sea jerky looks the same as the Burns Ocean Bites... ;)
Which absolutely stink :lol:
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Maybe I've got a poor sense of smell but the sea jerky and sea biscuits don't really smell of anything to me. Tripe sticks on the other hand - yeurch.
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Maybe I've got a poor sense of smell but the sea jerky and sea biscuits don't really smell of anything to me. Tripe sticks on the other hand - yeurch.
Aw if they're not as bad as tripe sticks I may give them a try. I agree tripe sticks are just vile !!
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Tripe sticks and Pizzles are vile. ours love the tuna bread and livercake, strange, I didn't mind the smell of livercake cooking. :005:
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when i tried making livercake i was horrified at the smell. it really did make me feel sick. i ended up turning the oven off abandoning the dogs at home and sitting in my daughters house until jim was home and got the smell out the house.
my two go mad when i make tuna bread(one time it went mouldy in my coat pocket ph34r) paddy slobbers everywhere as soon as he sees the tin of tuna come out of the cupboard :005:
ellie will do anything i ask if i have hotdogs :D
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Have you tried beef and garlic balls? My lot love them, I use them at training and they are great. They are easy to use too as they don't disintergrate but you can break bits of as you need to. My three will do anything for them and never leave my side which is great for off lead heel! :005: Here's the recipe:
Beef and Garlic Balls
Approx 500g of beef mince - you could use lamb, or chicken / turkey too.
About a dessertspoon of garlic powder.
2 eggs
Oatmeal
Mix the mince with the eggs, and the garlic powder. Then take off tiny pieces at a time and make into tiny balls, and roll those in the oatmeal to coat them. Put on baking tray and cook in a low oven about 150c for about half an hour - the oatmeal doesn't really brown, it just changes slightly to a golden colour.
I bag them up enough for one weeks training classes as they are all on the same night, and freeze. Then just grab a bag out each week.
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Maybe I've got a poor sense of smell but the sea jerky and sea biscuits don't really smell of anything to me. Tripe sticks on the other hand - yeurch.
Aw if they're not as bad as tripe sticks I may give them a try. I agree tripe sticks are just vile !!
When we picked our new girl up the breeder gave us a bag with a load of treats in which we thought was very nice.When we finally got home and sorted we decided to open the treats for Piper.Myself and husband stood back with our fingers clenched to our noses,yes you've guessed it the offending TRIPE STICKS.Meanwhile a doggy round ankles going demented for this thing.Cant believe when they actually run out we went and bought her some more although she has them as treat when she goes to bed and we can vacate the room. :005:
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Have you tried beef and garlic balls? My lot love them, I use them at training and they are great. They are easy to use too as they don't disintergrate but you can break bits of as you need to. My three will do anything for them and never leave my side which is great for off lead heel! :005: Here's the recipe:
Beef and Garlic Balls
Approx 500g of beef mince - you could use lamb, or chicken / turkey too.
About a dessertspoon of garlic powder.
2 eggs
Oatmeal
Mix the mince with the eggs, and the garlic powder. Then take off tiny pieces at a time and make into tiny balls, and roll those in the oatmeal to coat them. Put on baking tray and cook in a low oven about 150c for about half an hour - the oatmeal doesn't really brown, it just changes slightly to a golden colour.
I bag them up enough for one weeks training classes as they are all on the same night, and freeze. Then just grab a bag out each week.
sounds good Sam, I'll give them a go at the weekend ;)
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I experienced my first tripe stick this weekend - the smell resembled that of a horses stable ph34r
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I experienced my first tripe stick this weekend - the smell resembled that of a horses stable ph34r
Have you tried hooves ?? :005:
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I always use the fish in oil, be it, Tuna, Mackerel or Pilchards or Sardines, as it's an excellent soucre of protein and vitimans and they're low in fat. My vets recommended this many years ago and my dogs have always loved it. Tinned fish and a few dry biscuits is what they have for breakfast every day. Ehtel is even partial to a little mayo with her tuna, though refuses to eat bread! >:D