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Title: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 13, 2007, 05:03:06 PM
... I'd be going out of my mind right now.

Florence went to the vets for her 2nd vac yesterday and I saw the vet who I always book in with if possible. She is straight talking, no nonsense but respectful of the knowledge that you have. If I do not understand something I'm not afraid to say so and she will patiently explain in laymans terms. I have a great deal of respect for her.

Anyway, she gave Florence a good checking over and gave her a clean bill of health.
I did say to her that she has been very loose these past few days which again with a new environment is to be expected, and that I'd tried her with chicken & rice but she would only eat the chicken and leave the rice. I'd then tried her with pasta and she wouldn't touch that either (little madam). She had another good feel of her abdomen and said that it didn't even feel tender but she'd give me some tablets called Metronidazole (1/4 tablet twice a day) to settle things down.
I gave her one dose yesterday afternoon when we got home and another later last night.
Later, she didn't want any tea but I put that down to the vaccination.
Today she still hasn't wanted to eat anything, I've tried the food she's been reared on, scrambled egg but nope she wouldn't touch a thing, not even a little piece of gravy bone.

So after doing a Google I found on THIS (http://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/monographs/metronidazole.asp) site says that the tablets can cause a lack of appetite amongst other things.

I rang the vets this afternoon to explain and have it logged on her records that she wasn't eating and spoke to another vet whom I don't know and she told me (in so many words) that although the internet was a wonderful thing it is unlikely that the tablets have caused her inappetence although she did say they are very bitter to the taste, and suggested that I try her on a couple of tins of prescription food but if she hasn't eaten in the morning to ring again and bring her down because (and this is the bit that got me) she may have something more serious wrong with her, possibly a blockage.  >:(

I've tried her with a little of the food and she has eaten it, albeit a little reluctantly. She is quiet but happy enough in herself and although I am concerned about her I am not overly worried. She is drinking and is not dehydrated.

Different dog and different medication but this is the same scenario I had with Neneh when she had Metacam after her caesarean/spay. The day after I stopped giving it to her she was eating like she always had (v greedy dog) and never looked back.

We all need our vets but why do some potentially scare the life out of you.  >:D
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Sheryl on July 13, 2007, 05:10:53 PM
I am not surprised.  Metronidazole are pigs of things, for humans too :-\
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
so frustrating  >:( 

fingers crossed it's just a puppy bug and she's back to normal soon :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 13, 2007, 05:15:42 PM
Sorry to hear that Michele  >:(  The day after I brought Dallas home, I had to rush him to the emergency vet with what turned out to be a bad bout of haemorragic gastroenteritis. At the time however, the vet was saying things like it is very possible that his intestines could be twisted and they may need to open him up and he could die  :o :o  You know what a worrier I am when it comes to my dogs so you can imagine what I was like (I was still a bit of a 'novice' back then  :005:)  Hope little Florence picks up soon - Jersey reacted very badly to Metronidazole and the vet took her off it quick smart and said it was not a nice drug so it could be very likely that it is making her feel a bit icky  :huh:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: lyn on July 13, 2007, 05:58:21 PM
I am not surprised.  Metronidazole are pigs of things, for humans too :-\
i can only agree with sheryl, these tabs made me so ill they were the cure  that was worse than the illness. i am convinced these tabs were the reason my whole digestive system shut down >:D
hope florence is feeling hungry soon.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Pammy on July 13, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
Aaw - sorry to hear this Michele - hope she gets better very soon and that your vet sorts themselves out too!
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: kb on July 13, 2007, 06:13:47 PM
Although these are a very good broad spectrum antibiotic, they can make you have nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea and can leave you feeling quite poorly.

In humans we would often have given sometihng along with them for sickness. Florence is probably feeling a little nauseated with them and doesn't know what's wrong with her :'( - how long is the course? HAve the loose motions stopped? What age is Florence?

Poor little thing - hope she is feeling better soon.

Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 13, 2007, 06:21:23 PM
In humans we would often have given sometihng along with them for sickness. Florence is probably feeling a little nauseated with them and doesn't know what's wrong with her :'( - how long is the course? HAve the loose motions stopped? What age is Florence?

kb she's 10 weeks

The vet gave me enough for 6 days but I've only given her the two 1/4 tablets doses yesterday, I haven't given her any more since.
She's perked up a bit since having the small amount of prescription food and has been for a poo which was still loose but not as bad as it was.
I think I shall carry on with the prescrip. food and see where we go from there.

Poor little poppet has really seemed down in the dumps and from what you've described of these tablets I'm not surprised.

Needless to say she is getting plenty of cuddles and TLC  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Joules on July 13, 2007, 08:12:40 PM
Aw, Michele, sorry to hear little Flo is not feeling 100%.  :luv:  Like you say it is good that you are used to having dogs.  I used to panic every time Coco had a tummy upset when she was small and she had quite a lot of them  >:(  Now I tend not to worry if she is lively and eating and drinking alright.  What a hard mummy I am  :-\

Hope she is better soon - sure she will enjoy the fuss and cuddles (probably not as much as you will though  :shades:  :005:)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Luvly on July 13, 2007, 08:18:14 PM
Michele the chicken ( if shes not used to it )  may not be helping with her loose poop . some dogs take some getting used to chicken and produce loose stools .on personal exsperince 5 out of the 6 of my pups just dident do well with chicken yet turkey was a differnt story . no problem there at all . at about 7 or 8 months my lot were back on chicken slowly and have it regular now .
The vet agreed that some  dogs take some time to get used to it . he used to reccomend it for sore tums but now reccomends fish with boiled rice .since ive told him about turkey he might reccomend that  :lol:
Hope shes feeling better very soon
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: PennyB on July 13, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
I am not surprised.  Metronidazole are pigs of things, for humans too :-\

tell me about it, the last lot I had played havoc with my stomach
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Jane S on July 13, 2007, 10:49:49 PM
Michele, I give active Manuka honey (16 rating) to pups who are a bit loose and off their food - it seems to work a treat and gets them back to normal in no time. Our pups love it and can't wait to lick it off the spoon :D
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 13, 2007, 11:18:01 PM
Thanks for that Jane, if she has perked up a bit by the morning I'll give it a try but if she carries on as she is at the moment then I'm taking her to the vets.
I've tried her with a small amount of prescription food and I also cooked a haddock fillet and offered her a tiny flake, she wouldn't touch either.

I must admit that I'm getting worried now. :'(

Does anyone know how long I should expect for this stuff to work its way out of her system?
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Elisa on July 13, 2007, 11:25:08 PM
Poor little thing  :-\  I really hope it is nothing to worry about Michele and she is back to normal very soon.  She is too little to be poorly, bless her  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 13, 2007, 11:35:38 PM
Does anyone know how long I should expect for this stuff to work its way out of her system?

In Jersey's case, it was the best part of 24 hours after stopping treatment before she stopped vomiting  :-\ 

Feel better soon little one  :-*
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 13, 2007, 11:46:51 PM
She's just come out of her bed, had a little tail wag and then had a poo on the kitchen floor (first time ever, but no way is she being told she was wrong) and it's a bit firmer.
I just hope that she's passed some more of the medication out of her system. :-\
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 13, 2007, 11:49:52 PM
I hope that means she is on the mend now. Hopefully by morning she will be feeling a lot better  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: spanielcrazy on July 13, 2007, 11:55:14 PM
Glad to hear!  :D

I think Metronidazole is given every 12 hours so I assume it takes about that long to move through.

I have to admit to being surprised, we always carried it with us to shows in case anyone got the squits, I've never heard of problems with it nor have I ever had any myself  :huh: But you should probably know by tomorrow morning if it was the meds that caused it.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 14, 2007, 08:33:32 AM
Well we've had some more diarrhoea overnight BUT she is a lot brighter in herself, in fact a little whle ago she was play yipping at Halle (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8399/thumbsup4kk.gif). So I'm sure the metronidazole is out of her system and that really brings me back to square one.
She still won't eat, and although she's drinking and not dehydrated I wondered whether some Lectade might help to get the electrolyte balance back up?

Jane, I've looked on the Holland & B site and they only have UMF 10 rating. Is there anywhere I can get some today as obviously I can't wait for an internet order.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Jane S on July 14, 2007, 09:25:40 AM
I'd get the 10 rating honey Michele - it's still active which is what you need. I got my supply of 16 rating honey when I was in Australia so maybe it's not available that easily over here.

Glad Florence seems brighter today :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Cazzie on July 14, 2007, 10:16:27 AM
Michele, I give active Manuka honey (16 rating) to pups who are a bit loose and off their food - it seems to work a treat and gets them back to normal in no time. Our pups love it and can't wait to lick it off the spoon :D

I take this honey, its extremely expensive but the best you can buy  :shades: I used to give small amounts to Goose when I first got him  :blink:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 14, 2007, 10:56:09 AM
Just had a brainwave and looked on the Julian Graves site and they have Manuka Honey (http://juliangraves.com/?PageID=554&StockCode=MANUKAHONEY20) in 10+ and 20+ strengths amongst others.

We've got a store in town so I'm off down there now.  :D
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 14, 2007, 11:21:15 AM
So glad she is feeling a lot better but hope the honey gets her appetite going again
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Elisa on July 15, 2007, 11:14:34 AM
How is Florence today Michele?
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Pammy on July 15, 2007, 11:20:17 AM
Was just thinking the same - have been thinking about you and FLorence coz you do sound so very worried. Hope she is continuing to pick up and that you are breathing a little easier too!

 :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2007, 02:44:30 PM
Michele, I give active Manuka honey (16 rating) to pups who are a bit loose and off their food - it seems to work a treat and gets them back to normal in no time. Our pups love it and can't wait to lick it off the spoon :D

manuka honey is fab, it's really amazing on bites and rashes too  ;)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 03:12:06 PM
I took Florence down to the vets at 10.30 this morning, she is still no better and will not eat. They've put her on a drip to get some fluids/meds into her. I'm waiting to hear from the vet a bit later on but she will be staying in overnight.

Can't say much more at present too upset, thoughts and prayers please.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: wrenside on July 15, 2007, 03:17:58 PM
Poor little mite  :-\ Fingers crossed for little Florence  :-*

Best wishes

Mary
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Post by: Max X 2 on July 15, 2007, 03:24:13 PM
Thinking of you Michele & Florence.
What a worry.
Hope she perks up very very soon  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Pammy on July 15, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
Oh Michele - you must be so worried. Hope the wee girl picks up soon. You have our thoughts prayers and anything else you ant/need .  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Sheryl on July 15, 2007, 03:31:06 PM
So very sorry to hear this :'(  Praying that all is ok with Florence soon.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2007, 03:31:16 PM
poor little florence, she's such a little mite to be going through this.

At least the drip will rehydrate her which may help perk her up.

Are they any closer to finding out what it is?
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: spanielcrazy on July 15, 2007, 03:39:39 PM
Poor baby, and poor Michele!  :huh:

Hope they can get it sorted quickly. Healing thoughts are on their way  :luv:

Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 15, 2007, 03:47:16 PM
Lots of healing thoughts coming from us - get well soon little Florence.  Your wee pal Harlem sends you a  :-*

Take care Michele - I know how much of a worry it is when they are that small  :'(
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: supaspaniel on July 15, 2007, 03:54:33 PM
oh crumbs Michele :o sorry to hear this :'(

No advice, but I shall be thinking of you :-\ :-*
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: ladylola on July 15, 2007, 04:13:11 PM
Oh Michele, I hope little Florence is soon better, positive thoughts from us, you must be so worried [[Hugz]]
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Post by: Joules on July 15, 2007, 04:50:39 PM
Oh Michele, so sorry to hear this.  :-\  It is a worry when they are so tiny and helpless.  Still she is in the right place and as long as she gets fluids that will help I am sure.  Hope they manage to sort her out fast  ;)

Sending lots of positive healing thoughts  :-* :-*
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: lyn on July 15, 2007, 04:57:37 PM
oh michele, i am so very sorry to read about little florence. extra healing thoughts and love from me and ellie.
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Post by: Annette on July 15, 2007, 06:33:20 PM
I'm sorry, just caught up with this. How awful for you. I do hope that she perks up soon.

Do let us know how she's doing.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 09:19:52 PM
Thanks you for all your kind words, it really does help. I'm sorry my post was so brief earlier on, I hope I didn't sound melodramatic. I'm feeling a bit better now and have got my sensible head back on.

We took her this morning because she really wasn't showing any signs of improvement.
The vet had a really good feel of her abdomen and she still couldn't detect any real problem although her intestine was gurgly with fluid, her temperature was normal.
My main concern was I couldn't get her to eat and you could see she was losing weight. Trying to get the honey down her was a battle and I felt so mean.

It's been an emotional rollercoaster this afternoon and I couldn't wait to hear from the vet any longer so I rang her around 6pm.
She is slightly brighter, has been taking small drinks of water and hasn't vomited, she's still sleeping a lot but that's not a bad thing.

She said she will ring me later tonight before she goes off duty, and I will hear from them again first thing in the morning.

In the meantime I think we've found what the cause is. I hadn't rung her breeders today as I knew they were at the Cocker Club show and I didn't want to spoil their day, there's nothing they could've done, but I did speak to them as they were driving home and it seems that at the workplace of one of them a  number of people have been of work with sickness and diarrhoea and the reason/source seems to be a new water cooler they've had fitted and that it is a Giardia (http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/gia.html) infection!
I had an upset tum on Friday!!

The drip that Florence is on has got metronizadole going through it, which treats Giardia. So what I first thought was making her more ill turns out to be the right thing to treat her with.

Will keep you posted as and when.

Edited to add that lack of appetite is also a symptom of Giardia.

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Post by: Pammy on July 15, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
Thanks so much for the update Michele - have been thinking about you. I'm glad you've found the cause, or that it looks like you have. I was only thinking earlier if you'd managed to chat to the breeder to see if there was anything there.

Look forward to even better news tomorrow ;)

Make sure you get some rest. A glass of wine might help ;)
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Post by: supaspaniel on July 15, 2007, 09:29:07 PM
Thanks so much for the update Michele - have been thinking about you. I'm glad you've found the cause, or that it looks like you have.
Look forward to even better news tomorrow ;)


Ditto that...a positive step  ;)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Nicola on July 15, 2007, 09:32:59 PM
OMG I just saw this Michele  :o  I'm so sorry about poor wee Florence, she's far too little to be ill  :'(  but I'm glad you've spoken to the breeder and have an idea of what it is now. Fingers crossed here for more good news  :luv:
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Post by: *Jay* on July 15, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
Oh poor baby  :'(  Jersey had Giardia earlier in the year and once we got her on the right treatment she really rallied so fingers crossed Florence continues to pick up. Do you think she may get to come home tomorrow?
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Post by: ladylola on July 15, 2007, 09:36:29 PM
Here's wishing a speedy recovery for Florence, poor baby
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Post by: lyn on July 15, 2007, 09:39:28 PM
glad it looks like you have some answers and florence is on the right treatment.
still sending healing thoughts her way.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Oh poor baby  :'(  Jersey had Giardia earlier in the year and once we got her on the right treatment she really rallied so fingers crossed Florence continues to pick up. Do you think she may get to come home tomorrow?

Although I'm sorry that Jersey was poorly it's good to hear she soon perked up.

I'm hopeful she's home tomorrow, I know she's only been here a week but the house seems empty  :'( I suppose it all depends on her and how well she responds.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Joules on July 15, 2007, 09:48:23 PM
Glad you seem to have identified the problem Michele - at least you are pretty sure she is on the right meds for it.  :-\

Hope little Florrie picks up and is able to come home to you tomorrow  ;)

Sending more hugs and healing thoughts  :-*
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Post by: speedyjaney on July 15, 2007, 09:54:43 PM
I have 2 cats that have had Giardia. Bailey recovered very quickly once on the metro.......tablests but poor Hodge had lots of other issues which bafled the vets as he kept being positive for Giardia.....

Good luck Florence - get well soon

Janey
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Post by: KellyS on July 15, 2007, 09:59:51 PM
Hi Michele

Just caught up with this thread, so sorry to hear that little Florence hasn't been well but relieved that you have now got to the bottom of it. Hope she comes home soon  Kelly xxx :D
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 10:18:21 PM
Just had a call from the vet and she says Florence has really perked up in the last two hours and is coming up to the front of the pen and wagging her tail (http://img99.exs.cx/img99/8577/yupi3ti.gif). She still hasn't eaten but she's not over concerned as she still has a way to go, and she hasn't vomited.  :shades:

I've told her about the Giardia and she thanked me for the info which obviously will be helpful.

Being as they have there own website I don't think there's any wrong in posting a link, but THIS (http://www.vetswycombe.co.uk/HTML/staff.html#anita) is who has been caring for Florence and is on duty overnight (I thought she finished at 10 but it seems not  :-\)
She might not have been qualified that long but she seems to know her stuff AND is really nice. :shades:

Thank you once again for all your good wishes, I've heard other people say it and it might sound corny but it really does help. (http://www.forumup.com/images/smiles/slider_thankyou.gif)
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Post by: lyn on July 15, 2007, 10:25:01 PM
good to hear she's perked up now. good that you seem to be feeling better too.
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Post by: *Jay* on July 15, 2007, 10:26:02 PM
Oh thats wonderful news. If she keeps going at this rate , she will be home in no time.
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Post by: JenSam on July 15, 2007, 10:30:18 PM
Glad to hear that little Florence has perked up.  Hope you have her home soon.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Jane S on July 15, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
Just caught up with this Michele - what a worrying day you've had! Glad little Florence has perked up a bit and hopefully she'll be back home with her family very soon. At least you know she is in good hands and being well looked after all night - your vet sounds a good 'un ;)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 10:54:31 PM
Out of curiosity I've just put 'Manuka' and 'Giardia' into Google and guess what "it creates a hostile environment for the protozoa", so it didn't do her any harm trying the honey.  :shades:
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Post by: Elisa on July 15, 2007, 11:00:50 PM
Blimey what a day you've had  :o  Really sorry to hear she is at the vets, but pleased she seems to be improving and hopefully she will be able to come home tomorrow  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: spanielcrazy on July 15, 2007, 11:05:59 PM
Out of curiosity I've just put 'Manuka' and 'Giardia' into Google and guess what "it creates a hostile environment for the protozoa", so it didn't do her any harm trying the honey.  :shades:


I had to google manuka honey because I'd never heard if it. Very interesting!
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Jan/Billy on July 15, 2007, 11:11:02 PM
Am so so glad florence has perked up  :D


You must be sooooo relieved, bet you were worried sick  :'(


I know you must be missing her terribly  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 15, 2007, 11:34:18 PM
I know you must be missing her terribly  :luv:

Dead right Jan, you wouldn't think they could pull your heart out after just a week, but they can.  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Rhona W on July 16, 2007, 12:11:17 AM
Michele, I am so sorry I missed this earlier.  :embarassed:

I'm glad little Florence is feeling a bit better now and hope she is back home with you soon.   :luv:  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Magic Star on July 16, 2007, 06:02:15 AM
Awww sorry I missed this Michele, what a rollercoaster, i'm so pleased to read that Florence is improving, hoping it continues and shes home with you soon :-*
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Silver Surfer (indiesnan) on July 16, 2007, 06:03:51 AM
Oh Michele what  worrying time you've had. :o I'm so pleased to hear little Florence is feeling a bit better  :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: KellyS on July 16, 2007, 02:21:53 PM
Fantastic news! So pleased that she is going to be alright :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Magic Star on July 16, 2007, 05:40:16 PM
Any news on little Florence today Michele?
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 16, 2007, 05:48:26 PM
Hi all, well she's still down there :016: she is much, much brighter but still not eating. She was sick once overnight and so they've given an anti-sickness jab. She's taking water ok and has been yipping and wagging her tail when anyone goes past. I've taken a couple of soft toys down there for her as company but as hard as it was I decided not to see her, I'm coping quite well at the moment and I think if I saw her I might just melt. :'(

The plot thickens as her breeder rang me this afternoon and their pup and another one being held for someone (Florence's sisters) have both been admitted at their vets with the same symptoms. Their vets have doubts that it is Giardia as they feel they would be much worse if it was. :dunno:

My fav vet also rang earlier and she's had a look at Florence and I think they are quite baffled. Her temperature is normal, there's no tenderness in her tummy, she's brightened up but still won't eat. :huh:
She felt if I brought her home today, she'd only end up back down there. I told her I want her to stay to the point where she is eating and when she comes home we can build her back up slowly.

So she's not out of the woods yet, but will let you know how she progresses.

Keep those positive vibes coming please.

Michele :003:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Magic Star on July 16, 2007, 05:53:43 PM
Awww sorry to hear your no further on with finding the cause, she sounds like shes in good hands though and i'm sure it won't be much longer before shes well and home again ;)

Sending much love :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: *Jay* on July 16, 2007, 06:36:39 PM
Florence, please eat something - you have lots of people very worried about you  :luv:

Hope she eats something soon Michele and you can get her back home. Hope the other pups get on okay too
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: supaspaniel on July 16, 2007, 06:50:58 PM
ohhh I thought you were going to tell us she's home :-\

hopefully tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Pammy on July 16, 2007, 07:03:53 PM
It's bad enough when they're ill and you know what the problem is. For them to be so ill and not be clear what the vause is is just anightmare! I truly hope that between the three vets they manage to find out what the problem is make them all better.

I think you're being incredibly brave for your little girl Michele. It's easy to think about what we want - but putting what she needs first is not always easy.

Keep at it chuck ;) And you know where we are ;)
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Post by: Sarah.H on July 16, 2007, 07:06:25 PM
Lots of positive thoughts coming from me and Charlie  :-* :-*
Hope she starts eating soon x
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Sheryl on July 16, 2007, 07:09:09 PM
Sorry to hear she is still at the vets Michele :-\  It must be awful for you not to see her.  I really hope there is good news soon :blink:
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Post by: tracey on July 16, 2007, 07:09:27 PM
Aww what a nightmare Michele :-\
Really hope she improves quickly and is back home with you soon :blink:

Tracey x
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Post by: CraftySam on July 16, 2007, 07:25:29 PM
I've only just seen this Michele, sorry.  :embarassed:

How heartbreaking this is.  :'( Poor little baby she's so young. Its particularly worrying that no one knows for sure what's the cause of this is. I can't imagine how you feel.

Sending gentle hugs to her and sloppy kisses from my lot. We'll be thinking of you all.
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: lyn on July 16, 2007, 07:36:11 PM
i was convinced i would log on and she'd be home :'(
extra healing thoughts still being sent to florence :luv:
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Post by: chelsea on July 16, 2007, 08:35:15 PM
Just cuaght up with this too.

So sorry to hear Florence hasn't been well, but hopefully she'll be back with you in no time! ;) :luv:
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Post by: Sheryl on July 16, 2007, 10:16:41 PM
Just wanted to say tonight (in case I get side tracked tomorrow :-\), that I hope Florence improves soon and you get your baby back where she belongs :blink:
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Post by: Elisa on July 16, 2007, 10:22:28 PM
Really hope you get some answers soon and treatment can be started and she can come home where she belongs  :luv:

Everything crossed here for a speedy recovery and thinking about you too, Michele, lots  :luv:
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Post by: *jean* on July 16, 2007, 10:36:35 PM
michele just read this whole thread through .. what a worry.. I hope florence eats something soon! thinking of you both,  Jean.
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Post by: michelle p on July 16, 2007, 10:50:13 PM

So sorry Florence isnt feeling too good, hope she feels better soon  :luv:
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Post by: Michele on July 16, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
You guys are a real tonic, thank you so much.

One thing  between the breeder and myself that we've been discussing is the amount of dogs with upset tums at the moment.
I told her about how many of you on here have said your dogs have not been well, and one thing we agreed on was when you consider the amount of rain we've had recently and the flooding, all the waste from that has to go somewhere.Then it dries up and is taken back up into the atmosphere where it can travel on the wind, then it rains again and if this bug is water born it must be having a field day. :dunno:

I just hope she's tucked up tight with her cuddly's and working on her appetite. :003:

I had to drive past the surgery as I came back from getting my hair done tonight. It's horrible to think she's in there and I can't get to her.  :'(

Get well soon Florence  :luv: & sisters Lily & noname.(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2702/hugbybciemnyka6.gif)
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Post by: Joules on July 16, 2007, 10:55:36 PM
Hope Florence has a good night and wakes up with her apetite back in the morning  ;)

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Post by: spanielcrazy on July 17, 2007, 12:55:48 AM
Poor baby Florence !

Hope you can get to the bottom of this and she gets well soon!  :luv:
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Post by: Silver Surfer (indiesnan) on July 17, 2007, 06:08:28 AM
I hope little Florence is feeling better today  :luv:
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Post by: Jeeves on July 17, 2007, 07:12:22 AM
I've just read through this post, I'm so sorry to hear of the troubles poor Florence is having - Michele, I will be thinking of you both.  It is the most awful thing when they are so poorly that they have to be admitted to hospital.  Parker, Mrs Bridges and me all send hugs and best wishes :luv:

I cannot get over the amount of cocker tummy trouble around at the moment...
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Post by: emilyjw on July 17, 2007, 08:18:00 AM
Be strong Florence, Lilly and noname, be strong and start to eat so your mummy can stop worrying about you,

Em x
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Post by: Sheryl on July 17, 2007, 09:28:05 AM
Hoping all pups get better soon :-*
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Post by: lexi on July 17, 2007, 09:59:23 AM
Hope little Florence is better today and that she'll start eating soon. Poor little pup, she's been through such a lot. We've said a little prayer for her and her sisters. :blink:
(I've somehow totally missed this thread until now. ph34r ph34r)
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Post by: Michele on July 17, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
Morning all  :D Yes a smiley face. Heard from Anita at the surgery a little while ago and Florence has eaten overnight, in fact she cleared the dish. :shades:
She wants to try her with some more small meals throughout this morning and observe and if all is well she can come home this afternoon. (http://www.iheartpaws.com/forums/images/smilies/Bananejump.gif)(http://img99.exs.cx/img99/8577/yupi3ti.gif)

I haven't heard from her breeder to find out how her sisters are today, but will be hopeful that they're back home soon too.

THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE - YOU'VE SEEN ME THROUGH :bigarmhug:
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Post by: Joules on July 17, 2007, 10:10:49 AM
Hurrah!  This is fab news Michele  :D  Hope she continues to improve today  :luv: :luv:
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Post by: emilyjw on July 17, 2007, 10:14:25 AM
That's fantastic Michele, well done Florence. I'm sure you just wanted to check your mummy fully appreciated you and you will now be an  :angel: for her.

Em x
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Post by: lyn on July 17, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
now thats the news we've all been waiting for :D keep it up florence, you're a superstar now :luv:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Sheryl on July 17, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
Thats such wonderful news Michele.  Way to go Florence :luv: :luv:
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Post by: michelle p on July 17, 2007, 11:40:53 AM

That is brilliant news  :lol: hoping that Lily and noname are doing just as well  :luv:
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Post by: JenSam on July 17, 2007, 11:53:15 AM
That's great news Michele, glad to hear little Florence has eaten at last!!  :D
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Post by: Rhona W on July 17, 2007, 12:20:31 PM
That is fantastic news Michele. :cheer:
Hoping Florence is back home this afternoon, getting all the cuddles that you have both been missing out on for the last few days. :bigarmhug:
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Post by: Jane S on July 17, 2007, 12:32:04 PM
That's such good news Michele :D Hope Florence's litter mates are on the mend too and all will soon be back home where they belong.
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Post by: sarah25 on July 17, 2007, 12:40:39 PM
Only just seen this thread Michele.
So sorry to hear she wasn't very well  :'( .... Glad to hear shes improving  :D!

xxx
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Post by: *Jay* on July 17, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
Yay  :D  What a clever girl Florence - hope you are home by now getting lots of cuddles   :-*
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Post by: ladylola on July 17, 2007, 05:44:30 PM
You must be so relieved Florence has eaten, I hope she is now well and back home with you. Her littermates too.
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Post by: supaspaniel on July 17, 2007, 05:59:01 PM
Thats great news :D
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Post by: Pammy on July 17, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
Glad to hear the news Michele. You must be so relieved.
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Post by: Nicola on July 17, 2007, 07:56:36 PM
Really glad little Florence has eaten something now Michele, that's fab news  :D :luv:
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Post by: silkstocking on July 17, 2007, 07:58:39 PM
Have only just caught up with all this, I have had a manic few days!

Poor ickle Florence :luv: glad she has eaten something at last :blink:

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Post by: frometoou on July 17, 2007, 09:57:44 PM
Fantastic news, glad that Florence seems to be picking up  :luv:
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Post by: Magic Star on July 17, 2007, 10:19:12 PM
 :shades:

Wonderful news Michele :D
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Post by: Michele on July 17, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
It's been a fun packed afternoon, and I've just sat down.  ::)

I'm giving her tiny meals about every 3 hours, she likes the i/d canine kibble but she not at all keen on the tinned food, although she has eaten some.

At the moment she's protesting that it isn't really bedtime and I should be allowed to stay up late cos I was very vocal this past 24 hours at the vets.  :005:


She's going to be fine I'm sure, as for me the word frazzled comes to mind.  :lol:
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Post by: Max X 2 on July 17, 2007, 10:56:30 PM
Glad to hear your baby is back home with you.  :luv:

Hope you both manage to catch up on some sleep  :D
 
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 17, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Forgot to mention the graphic part - she's had a poo since she's been home and it's fine :banana:  :005:

Got to take her back tomorrow afternoon for a check up and then I think they'll sign her off. :shades:
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Post by: Rhona W on July 17, 2007, 11:16:29 PM
So pleased to hear that Florence is back home.  :luv:  :luv:

And a solid poo! :cheer:

(Only on COL could a bowel movement be celebrated.  :lol: )
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Post by: Michele on July 17, 2007, 11:34:28 PM
So pleased to hear that Florence is back home.  :luv:  :luv:

And a solid poo! :cheer:

(Only on COL could a bowel movement be celebrated.  :lol: )

Thanks Rhona, and yes, you wouldn't even get that kind of discussion on a doctor's forum I'm sure  :005:
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Post by: Elisa on July 17, 2007, 11:45:38 PM
So pleased to hear Florence is better and back home  :luv:
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Post by: CraftySam on July 18, 2007, 12:36:07 AM
Thats fantastic news Michele!  :D

I'm so thrilled that little Florence has started to make such good progress. She deserves all the hugs & kisses in the world, here are a few from us to begin with  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Have a good night little one, Mummy needs some sleep!  ;)
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Post by: Sarah.H on July 18, 2007, 07:38:02 AM
So glad to hear that she's back home with you, how is she today?
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Post by: Joules on July 18, 2007, 07:40:21 AM
Fab news Michele - so glad Florence is back home with you and making good progress  :D :luv:

Now, don't you go spoiling her!  :shades:  :005:
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Post by: *Jay* on July 18, 2007, 07:45:52 AM
That is great news - hope she let you have some sleep  :lol: :lol:

Good luck at the vets today  :-*
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Post by: silkstocking on July 18, 2007, 07:50:16 AM
Hope your days is less manic today Michele  :-* and that Little Miss Florence continues to thrive, by eating and pooing like all good dogs should!!!! :005:
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Post by: supaspaniel on July 18, 2007, 08:31:22 AM
Really great news :D
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Post by: lyn on July 18, 2007, 08:36:43 AM
great news michele, hope you got some restful sleep last night :D
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Post by: Michele on July 18, 2007, 10:14:52 AM
Morning, yes it was a good night, let her out at 3am - the paper was clean and dry  :shades: and didn't hear another peep out of her until 6.35 when OH had to get up.
She's eating small meals about every 3 hours and is pooing fine. Gave her the metrozidanole last night and again just now with no adverse effect.

Now, don't you go spoiling her!  :shades:  :005:

As if  ::)  :005:
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Sheryl on July 18, 2007, 10:20:21 AM
Oh I am soooo pleased for you all.  You can let your breath out now Michele ;)
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Michele on July 18, 2007, 10:18:24 PM
These will be the final pics added to this thread as I think she is well and truly over her ordeal now, but thought you might like to see these taken


this afternoon at tea time
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Eaglesfan/Florence/Florence069.jpg)

and about 1/2 an hour ago, in the lounge with the big girls.  :shades:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Eaglesfan/Florence/Florence.jpg)
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Post by: CraftySam on July 18, 2007, 10:28:50 PM
Aww that's lovely to see.  :luv:  :luv:

I'm glad that she's finally put this episode behind her and she can get on with being a puppy! And I bet thats all you want now too!
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Post by: spanielcrazy on July 18, 2007, 10:34:43 PM
Aw bless her, she's just adorable!  :luv: :luv: :luv:

Glad to see she's back eating and feeling her cutie self again!  :D
Title: Re: If I Were A First Time Dog Owner.....
Post by: Pammy on July 19, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
That's brill news Michele. :luv: :luv: :luv:
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Post by: ladylola on July 19, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
Oii you've nicked Ellies bowl  :D Lovely to see her fit and well, enjoy her now she's  :luv:
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Post by: Joelf on July 19, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
I haven't logged on for a few days & missed this entire thread!!! ph34r ph34r

Michele, I was so sorry to read all about poor little Florence; what a dreadful time you've had!! :-\

I'm so glad she seems to be over the worst now & is well on the way to recovery. :D