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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: chickrockguitar on November 03, 2007, 08:25:53 PM
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Hi All,
I've heard people talk about "Black Roans", I wondered what they were exactly? I've nenver seen a photo. Does the colour even exist?
I emailed a breeder (who didn't have pups but put me on to another breeder), he sent me a photo of one of his dogs he got from him a few years ago. Could she be a Black Roan?
(http://www.webuploads.co.uk/cockerdog.jpg)
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I think there is 'Black and roan'
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That picture is of a Blue Roan dog. I'm sure there isn't such a thing as Black Roan :-\ (not in the UK anyway).
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i think!!! that would be a blue roan. sam is a blue roan and tan and he looked exactly like that when i first brought him home but has become much darker
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa255/sam15_album/scan0002.jpg)
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Do they mean a dark roan as apposed to a light roan?
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Haha, yeah I said to him I love your Blue Roan. He replied "my little bitch is a black & white - the blue roans are a little bit grayer & a bit less white in them". So that's why I asked, lol.
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I wondered if she was black and white ticked. I saw a young pup this evening and he looks like B&W ticked. But I can't always tell the difference between them and blue roans tbh.
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I have a blue roan pup... with hardly any white so he's probably the closest you'd get to it :005:
Never heard of a black roan though have to say!
Hannah x
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Yeah, I was thinkin ticked also.
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I think people tend to make things up like lemons become apricot etc. or peple get not in the know don't understand why it's 'blue' when it's actually black ;)
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This info is very good regarding colourings ;)
http://www.thecockerspanielclub.co.uk/colours.htm (http://www.thecockerspanielclub.co.uk/colours.htm)
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I would agree that a black roan would probably be a dark blue roan. Whistler has a white tip to his tail and a grey muzzle and some white on his hindqauters but apart from that he is almost all black, but he is a dark blue roan.
Viv
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That's a light blue roan working cocker in the photo, pretty much exactly the same as my Alfie...
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa141/workingcockers/IMG_1554.jpg)
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http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/tess_058/dogdays16-08-07011.jpg
This is my working cocker Connie - she is a Dark Blue Roan,but when she is clipped she does go lighter :005:
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Gorg doggies you have! I'm a sucker for blue raons. I love them all!!
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Here are a couple of pics of harvey, he is black & white ticked :luv: in the first pic at 8 weeks old he had seperate white & black areas ( no roaning) but as he's got older he developed more ticking/roaning(you can just see some on the top of his leg :D) he also has black and pink pads where as a blue roan will have totally black pads I believe ;) Have to say I have never heard of a black roan but then I'm no expert :D
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x245/harveybw/harvey008-1.jpg) (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x245/harveybw/Harveysrosette014.jpg)
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HI,
Black Roan is a Blue Roan, the colour scheme on all roans are different some darker and some lighter. I would guess the term Black Roan is referring to a dark blue roan. In any case, a blue roan is not technically blue...its black! ;)
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HI,
Black Roan is a Blue Roan, the colour scheme on all roans are different some darker and some lighter. I would guess the term Black Roan is referring to a dark blue roan. In any case, a blue roan is not technically blue...its black! ;)
LOL, that's what I was going to say Timbo, what we refer to as 'blue roan' IS technically a black roan. We have the same problem in border collies with blue merles which are technically black merles - border collies also have the dilution gene that dilutes black to blue/grey so when you get that in merle it's usually referred to as slate merle to differentiate although technically that should be 'blue merle' and normal merles should be 'black merle'....confusing isn't it!! :P
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Thanks guys.
So, the girl is blue roan. lol.
Yeah, I'd heard about Black pads - Blue Roan. Pink pads - Black and White. Never thought of what if a pup had both, lol. Would that be the case that the dog could go both ways?