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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: dawny on November 09, 2007, 03:54:42 PM

Title: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 09, 2007, 03:54:42 PM
HELP!!! :rofl1: :rofl1:

Please please can someone help, as even the vet cannot tell me.  I have a lovely not sure what which I have had from 12 weeks.  His name is Sid and has a pedigree to make you die!  That I do not care about as he is a pet and the love of my life!  (except the kids..forget the hubby)  Anyway when I took him to the vet he said he was a springer, I took him to doggy training again said he was a springer, took him to an event....working cocker.  Totally confused.  I really do not care but it would be nice to know what my baby is?  He is mad as a bag of monkeys and looks nothing like a cocker and is bigger than most springers but not as wide however Sid is only 13 months old.  Can anyone tell me where in the north east there is a working cocker expert who can tell me if my Sid is what the papers say he is.  No one has heard of the breeder even though he sang a song of experience that the Beatles would be proud of!
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: kookie on November 09, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
do you have a picture?
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: *Theresa* on November 09, 2007, 03:56:33 PM
If you post a copy of his pedigree someone on here will be able to help you  ;) You may even find some relatives.

Oooh and I think we really need to see some pictures too  :luv:
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Jan/Billy on November 09, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
Yes a picture is needed  :D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 09, 2007, 03:59:34 PM
Trying to put one in but cannot seem to find the right button......not very good at this >:( :lol:
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 09, 2007, 04:15:24 PM
sorry having a blonde day.  I have posted a picture of sid on my profile.  I tried to add more but not sure which buttons anyway does anyone have any first impressions? (told you he was cute)  :-*:D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 09, 2007, 04:24:13 PM
Yes a picture is needed  :D
Hi
I have enclosed a picture of sid.....please do you know what he is.........except daft!
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: clarey-doll on November 09, 2007, 04:48:44 PM
We need a bigger pic ;)

try this what Colin sent Baxters mum in this thread

http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=35781

Hope that helps ,

clare  ;)

Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: happydog on November 09, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
Larger picture and as much pedigree as you have,  needed please  :D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Cazzie on November 09, 2007, 06:43:18 PM
What was he sold as and what breed were his parents  :-\
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: flozac on November 09, 2007, 10:44:18 PM
There is always somebody breaking their neck to put you right, Cockers do actually come in all shapes and sizes. Someone somewhere always thinks they know best. just enjoy Sid!
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: cazza on November 10, 2007, 08:07:26 AM
Well I can't tell by your pic

But I would just like to say i think he is lovely  :luv:

Braan is 5 1/2 months old and is bigger than Fern already (21 months old) think he is gonna be nearer the size of a springer if he carries on growing the rate he is - but we don't care he is a real darling and we love him the way he is  ;)  (Crazyspaniels - no chance you're ever getting him back  :shades: )

Don't worry too much and just enjoy Sid  :D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: JaspersMum on November 10, 2007, 10:03:58 AM
Ditto what Flozac said, Jasper is much bigger than average cocker and people comment on that just as they do about Louies shorter coat - he is part worker - but they are both  KC pedigree cocker spaniels.  They won't ever win at CRUFTS breed classes but we didn't get them for being breed standards  ;)

We met someone in the woods a couple of months ago with the most gorgeous Clumber who commented that people always comment about his over sized cocker - he was chuffed when I said "wow, is that a clumber" and she wasn't even out of the car then!  That said I do sometimes struggle with identifing whether springer v worker and sprockers  ph34r

Would still love to see pics of your baby.
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: JasperPop on November 10, 2007, 07:37:23 PM
Dont worry what everyone else says  ::)  I have a working cocker too, and he is always being mistaken for a different breed, used to get my goat but it doesnt anymore.  He is my gorgeous Jagger and that's that!!  Most other people think he is a springer, but that has a lot to do with how high the ears are I think.....everyone's an expert!  :005:
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: debbie321 on November 10, 2007, 08:50:58 PM
I usually wait for the raised eyebrows when I say that Ben in a cocker - I then have to add that he is the working type and they then raise their eyebrows even more!

I can't see Sid too well from your avatar but I think he looks similar to one of 'Jeans' dogs Pepper?  Have a look at the photos of the workers in the photo section - they really do come in all shapes, sizes and colours! 
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Helen on November 10, 2007, 08:58:33 PM
can't tell from the avator pic, but would be able to from his pedigree   :D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: mary w on November 11, 2007, 12:57:04 PM
Don't worry yourself, Sid is a lovely Cocker. Enjoy him :luv:
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 11, 2007, 04:20:32 PM
Hi Everyone thank you for your support.    ::) I have found Sids pedigree and here are some of the names on it.
dad & Mum     baron Drummer / whiteford fearne
grandparents & great grandparents & gg grandparents    FT CH Whaupley reiver / lady bonnie of roxby / parkbreck porter / ft ch clindwell beau  /  ft ch parkreck teasel / ft ch measyddenrwen jackdawn / ft ch wenrffrewd cymro du / ft ch ze;da pf cadboll.

Breeder Mr A R Suggitt / Yorkshire
Cocker Spaniel (said working cocker)

have a five generation pedigree certificate of Corbits Sweep ( Sid)

Does anyone know sid? :luv: :D
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Pammy on November 11, 2007, 04:25:21 PM
A simple google search finds:

http://www.wetlandsgundogs.co.uk/sorcerer.htm

Would suggest you have a working cocker. ;)

There's lots more on there for the older generations in that pedigree ;)
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: dawny on November 11, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
A simple google search finds:

How can I find out 100%, do you know anyone on the pedigree that would know.

I assume the grandparents would be the first port of call which is FT CH Whaupley Reiver and Lady Bonnie of Roxby, Parkbreck Porter, Orol Eli of Whiteford.  Very longwinded!

http://www.wetlandsgundogs.co.uk/sorcerer.htm

Would suggest you have a working cocker. ;)

There's lots more on there for the older generations in that pedigree ;)
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Jane S on November 11, 2007, 04:45:40 PM
That's a working Cocker pedigree - lots of well known kennel names there. If you want to research Sid's pedigree a bit further, you might like to start a new thread on the Pedigree Research board :blink:

Also all Cockers are registered simply as Cocker Spaniels, whether they are show-type or working type or a mix of the two so you wouldn't expect to see "Working Cocker" on Sid's KC registration certificate.
Title: Re: HELP!!! Have I a working cocker / sprocker / springer ... no one knows!!
Post by: Jane S on November 11, 2007, 05:25:26 PM
Closing this as a new thread has been started on the Pedigree board.