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Cocker Specific Discussion => Grooming => Topic started by: Hurtwood Dogs on May 23, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
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Just been reading Bibthediva's post about Biba's coat since she's been spayed and I wondered if there are any dogs that have retained nice coats after they've been 'done'?
Trev turned into a complete sheep after he was castrated and although I don't really want to I'm going to have to have Dave's bits off as he's still only got one ball. The vet was trying 'encouraging' me to book him in today when I was chatting to her but I keep putting it off :-\ Has anyone got a dog who's coat hasn't been affected?
Hannah xx
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Lilys is fine! I dont handstrip (too impatient) but try and just use a coat king once a month as I've heard over use can make them go a bit funny. I thin out her ears, head and legs. Think Lily was spayed around 6 months and she'll be 2 in july but still has nice smooth shiny hairy (although it doesnt always lie smooth!) Krums a worker so a bit different but his coat hasnt changed a bit since castration.
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what about ClaireP's Zorro? I'm pretty sure he's been 'done', and he always looks fab :luv: :luv: I also think it depends on the coat - I know gold really seems to blow, but you may get away with it a bit more with a blue roan.
I am in no way an expert since I have a very unkempt brown thing with dead gingery hair at the moment, and he still has his crown jewels .... ph34r
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Golds and blacks do seem to fare the worst.
I've met a few people with Cockers that claim the coat hasn't changed following neutering but even with my uneducated eye I can tell it has - at least changed from what an entire, handstripped Cocker would look like. Sometimes if a pup was neutered at an early age ( ie before the silky adult coat had time to come through) then the owner wouldn't notice. Also if they've been clipped from an early age the coat would have altered anyway, so neutering has a less apparent effect. It does vary from dog to dog though - some fare better than others.
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Golds and blacks do seem to fare the worst.
I've met a few people with Cockers that claim the coat hasn't changed following neutering but even with my uneducated eye I can tell it has - at least changed from what an entire, handstripped Cocker would look like. Sometimes if a pup was neutered at an early age ( ie before the silky adult coat had time to come through) then the owner wouldn't notice. Also if they've been clipped from an early age the coat would have altered anyway, so neutering has a less apparent effect. It does vary from dog to dog though - some fare better than others.
yeah thats true... still I'm happy Lily aint no black sheep...in looks at least ph34r
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I also think it depends on the coat - I know gold really seems to blow, but you may get away with it a bit more with a blue roan.
Thats not what i want to hear :005: as i dont think we will be keeping Lolas lady bits intact ph34r..will see how her first season goes :-\
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Although Sally is a worker she is quite a heavy coated worker and I have started having to have her clipped as she just got so fluffy and she always looked a mess and also alot fatter than she actually is, she looks great now :D
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Fern was speyed last year and her coat is brilliant :D (working cocker) edited to add - black and white - mainly white tho
Braan was done beginning of march (I think) this year and so far his coat is brilliant too :D (liver working cocker)
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Golds and blacks do seem to fare the worst.
Great >:(
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Here's Jimmy 2 months before neutering...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/jimmyquiff/Jimmyinthesun.jpg)
And here he is a year after the op...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/jimmyquiff/JimmyMay05.jpg)
I'd hoped the changes wouldn't have been so obvious as he had a non-trim, fine, silky coat. Since the second photo ( which is about 3 years old now) it deteriorated a hell of a lot more, partly through use of the coat king and thinners as both can damage the coat further... eventually it starts to grow back wavey and tufty.
I do think blue roans and some other colours get away with it better though. Also it depends on your reason for wanting to neuter - Jimmy was done because Misty arrived on the scene, so one of them had to be done. He's still basically the same dog, just looks a bit different. :lol2:
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Here's a more recent pic, prior to me clipping the tufty bits...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/jimmyquiff/DSCF0030.jpg)
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Here's a more recent pic, prior to me clipping the tufty bits...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/jimmyquiff/DSCF0030.jpg)
Id love him, please post him to me :luv: Dont care what his coat looks like and infact he would keep me warmer in bed :luv: :005:
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this is barkley 12 months after being castrated. he's working type so perhaps it's different, and obviously i don't know what his coat would have been like if he hadn't been 'done' but people regularly compliment him on how soft it is and he's pretty glossy.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e107/ali_h/P1000083.jpg)
he IS pretty fluffy but that's probably because i have done absolutely nothing to it. ph34r he is 2 1/2 now so maybe it'll change in time but i've got no complaints about it at the moment. :)
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Oooh how cute is he! He is pretty fluffy for a worker but yeah he's not going sheep like which is good
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Oooh how cute is he! He is pretty fluffy for a worker but yeah he's not going sheep like which is good
awww... i shall pass your compliments on and watch his head swell. :005: he is VERY fluffy at the moment (this was taken back in december and it's gotten even more so since then) and finally getting the start of a top knot which he's never had before (much like nicola describes alfie in the other thread). think my OH would prefer him to look a bit neater but i love him like this. :luv:
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Barkley looks great. :shades: Because most workers need less trimming it probably means their coats don't change quite so much - it's the different grooming methods you have to employ on hairy show Cockers post-neutering that exaccerbates the problem. I do know two solid liver workers that have the most amazing fluffed up coats though - they are like yetis. :lol2:
Carol - Jimmy prefers his own bed unless it's really, really cold then he wedges himself behind the crook of your leg and trust me, you wouldn't want him there - he's like a dead weight and impossible to shift. :lol2:
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Lily could do with some GHDs but overall she's pretty smooth. ;) Legs on the other hand... :o
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff312/joanne_v/_G1L0294.jpg)
Here's Jed, the fluffiest worker I've ever seen.... he got a hair cut soon after this! Very similar to Barkley isnt he....
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa141/workingcockers/IMG_3489.jpg)
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I don't really want to I'm going to have to have Dave's bits off as he's still only got one ball. The vet was trying 'encouraging' me to book him in today when I was chatting to her but I keep putting it off :-\ Has anyone got a dog who's coat hasn't been affected?
Hannah xx
Hannah, have you discussed with your vet the option of just having the undescended testicle removed?
They might try and tell you they can't do it but I know it can as one of the dogs I trim had this done and because he's still got the descended one his coat is still lovely. :shades:
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sam was done in march and there's been no coat change yet! sam has a fine short coat (never been trimmed/cut at all) as so far he's looking the same as always. time will tell though :shades:
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Jessie is an Orange Roan and her cost has gone wooly and tufty since spaying. She was spayed before her 1st season tho at 6 months - not sure if this makes things different!
Janey
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Oh! How exciting to come back to this thread and see lots of lovely pics :luv: :luv: Colin, Jimmy's coat has done EXACTLY what Trev's did (it was very nice to cuddle up to though Cazzie you're right :005:) We gave up and used to have him totally clipped as he was really fit and athletic looking so he looked fine (to me anyway!) Here he is just before a shaving... bear in mind that he was never in the slightest bit overweight - that's all fluff ph34r
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa99/hannahgilsenan/IMG_0387.jpg)
Barkley and Lily both look really lovely as they are :luv:
I don't really want to I'm going to have to have Dave's bits off as he's still only got one ball. The vet was trying 'encouraging' me to book him in today when I was chatting to her but I keep putting it off :-\ Has anyone got a dog who's coat hasn't been affected?
Hannah xx
Hannah, have you discussed with your vet the option of just having the undescended testicle removed?
They might try and tell you they can't do it but I know it can as one of the dogs I trim had this done and because he's still got the descended one his coat is still lovely. :shades:
Do you know, other half mentioned that yesterday too (guess it's a boys thing LET HIM KEEP SOME KIND OF MANHOOD!!!!!!) I will talk to her about it as I'm also concerned about him becoming even more laid back than he already is and quite frankly I may as well just swap him for a draft excluder if that happens... (just kidding, but you get my point!) My gut feeling is to leave it until he's 18-24 months old then take a view on it then I think as I'll have a better idea of how he is as a dog then too as long as that's not going to increase any health risks with the hidden ball ph34r
Hannah xx
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Jakey's coat is fine (you may remember from when you saw him) it doesn't go all curly he still has proper feathers but it's just a little heavier. Meg on the other hand should be re-named Shaun the Sheep :005:
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Golds and blacks do seem to fare the worst.
How do gold roans fare? I've heard blue roans fare the best and if golds fare the worst, is it the gold bit or the roan bit which would make the difference in a gold roan?
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Scooby has still managed to be hand stripped and hasn't had a change of coat since being neutered in May ??? I think it was.
So no change here as yet :D
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Jenny my golden was spayed over a year ago and her coat has changed colour,curly and looks like felt.She doesnt like me to comb her now, she was combed every day as we live in the country.
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Over the years i have had two bitches spayed,both at 8 years as they got a pyametra.Both were black/white show dogs,Within 12months they both looked hairy monsters,growing hair from every where,i cried buckets when i clipped all the coats off the first time, :embarassed:but it was the only way i could stop them getting knots all the time.I gave a home to a spayed bitch from my friend.Spayed in the Nov.i got her in the March,by the end of the year her coat had changed from soft/silky to harsh and knotty,so i have to clip her now as well.she is a blue roan.