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Cocker Specific Discussion => General Cocker Spaniel Discussion => Topic started by: LynseyAndChester on July 24, 2008, 08:28:19 PM
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I have never been so scared!!! :'(
When I take the dogs to the OH's, we walk them around the big field at the back of his house. The dogs love it there and have met loads of other nice dogs and owners whilst on their run. But today, we were just leaving the field, called them in to lead them up and this guy comes charging out of his garden (which backs onto the field), chasing 2 MASSIVE greyhounds - both muzzled but not on leads. One of them bolted down the alley-way towards the street and the other towards us. Caring for the safety of his dog, the man runs after the street-bound mutt, leaving the other to come charging towards us. Chester being the friendly dog he is, began walking towards it, but quickly turned back when he realised the dog's intentions. It came charging towards him, sending him in circles around us. Molly set off after him, trying to knock him off Ches's course, all the while he'syelping his wee head off. I'm trying to call him back, Ewan's running around trying to get hold of them. Eventually Chester comes to me and I swoop him up. The greyhound then starts jumping and snarling at me to get at Chester. I didn't want to kick it away or anything so I just kept turning away, got some scratches on my back.
At this point the owner comes running up muttering his apologies, while trying to rugbytackle this vicious dog to the ground. Now it's given up on Chester and is now tear-arsing after Molly, Ewan's spinning around trying to catch her but believe it or not, she can out-run a greyhound! Eventually he caught her, the greyhound was caught and put back on it's lead and the owner's trying his best to apologise, asking if they're okay. But I couldn't even answer him, just put the lead on Molly, kept a hold of Ches and marched off back to Ewan's. When we got to the gate, I just burst into tears, shaking uncontrolably. Can't help but wonder what would have happened if that dog hadn't had a muzzle on! Brings a lump to my throat.
Both dogs are fine - no injuries, they're eating fine, but they're really sub-dued. Chester won't come if you call him and Molly just wants to sit on your lap and be comforted. Either that or she's comforting me cause I think I came off worse. The police have just been round cause when Mum went round to the owner's house, there was no reply. Policeman's going up to "have words" now apparently ::)
What's most worrying is that this dog was more than happy to rip through me to get to the pup. Supposing they're ex-race greyhounds, they'll have been trained to "seek and destroy" the rabbit? Chester being so small, maybe he resembled the rabbit? I dunno, all I can say is I was terrified and I never want to hear my babies squeal like that ever EVER again and the next dog to attack them WILL be kicked. I don't care what the owner has to say!
And now I'm off for a vodka.
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Aww you poor thing, sounds terrible. >:D
Hope you and the dogs recover quickly. :luv: :luv: Tis something that scares me as I often walk my dogs on my own.
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Oh my that sounds terrifying :'( ..you poor things (((hugs))) ...hope you will all be ok x
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Thank god they were muzzled :o Hope you're all feeling a bit better soon. :-*
These sorts of things make me nervous too, as i always walk Jarvis alone, with Indie on my back, and without a mobile phone. ph34r
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Beth - at least take a phone hun!
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Poor you. :'(
It is horrid I know, you will be shaken up for a while yet I am sure. :-\
Lots of cuddles for your babies. :luv:
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I never walk the dogs alone purely because there's 2 of them and I don't trust myself to control the pair of them at once. Although they're a bit deaf sometimes, they're friendly and always come back quite quickly. Chester was playing with a giant black lab, a German shepard and a collie in the field nearby literaly ten minutes before the incident, it's frightening.
Molly will not move from behind the sofa, I had to carry her up to her bath with her claws embedded in my shoulder just now and Chester just seems really quiet, not himself at all. Hopefully the police will sort the owner out and he'll sort those things out before they really do hurt someone. And hopefully, doggies will be okay when I leave them for work tomorrow. Although, a sickie is tempting..
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You poor things, hope you all recover quickly :-*
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Might do you all good to have a 'stress related' sickie, the dogs won't be on their own and you could take them out for a quiet, confidence building stroll.
You could prob do with de stressing to after the shock.
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sounds horrible poor babies i hope they dont feel down for too long, and i hope youve calmed down too hun, i always walk alone which i always get told off about, but no one is ever around when i want go out anyway, its me and Quincy time anyway, Beth you should always carry a mobile with you you naughty girl anything could happen! x
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Really sorry to hear you all got such a fright. At the risk of being shot down in flames I think it sounds as if the owner did the best he could....? Obviously the dogs had got out of their own garden somehow but he was responsible enough to have them muzzled in the first place (which not all owners of aggressive dogs do) and he apologised to you as well as chasing after them. I'm sure he got a shock too but obviously not im comparison to yours. Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous. Racers are not trained to 'seek and destroy', they go on sight and chase moving things. Sounds like these dogs are not well socialised and as a result are aggressive but luckily they were muzzled. Dont let it affect your opinion of all greyhounds. I know dozens of ex racers who are the softest things alive with people and dogs.
I'm sure your dogs will recover okay. Try and just act normal around them and give them opportunities to meet friendly steady dogs for a few days. I'm pretty sure the greyhound owner will be far more careful in future after his telling off from the police.
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What a coincidence, as I was just coming up to the flat the biggest greyhound I've ever seen was galloping flat out targeted on Millie (and she isn't good with other dogs), luckily I just managed to shut the gate on him - he did look a bit surprised :lol2:.
Hope you all get over the shock soon, I would try to meet a friendly dog soon so they can build they're confidence up again :luv:.
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Really sorry to hear you all got such a fright. At the risk of being shot down in flames I think it sounds as if the owner did the best he could....? Obviously the dogs had got out of their own garden somehow but he was responsible enough to have them muzzled in the first place (which not all owners of aggressive dogs do) and he apologised to you as well as chasing after them. I'm sure he got a shock too but obviously not im comparison to yours. Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous. Racers are not trained to 'seek and destroy', they go on sight and chase moving things. Sounds like these dogs are not well socialised and as a result are aggressive but luckily they were muzzled. Dont let it affect your opinion of all greyhounds. I know dozens of ex racers who are the softest things alive with people and dogs.
I'm sure your dogs will recover okay. Try and just act normal around them and give them opportunities to meet friendly steady dogs for a few days. I'm pretty sure the greyhound owner will be far more careful in future after his telling off from the police.
I agree one hundred percent with Jo ;)
Hoping you and your dogs are ok :luv:
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Goodness me, what a horrible incident, I do hope you are all feeling better very soon, and why not take a 'sickie' tomorrow, think you could all do with a long weekend, just calming down and taking it easy.
Best wishes to you all
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Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous.
I agree mine have had quite a bit of rough and tumble from greys and lurchers as they really do play roughly
Hope you feel better about it all soon though
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Really sorry to hear you all got such a fright. At the risk of being shot down in flames I think it sounds as if the owner did the best he could....? Obviously the dogs had got out of their own garden somehow but he was responsible enough to have them muzzled in the first place (which not all owners of aggressive dogs do) and he apologised to you as well as chasing after them. I'm sure he got a shock too but obviously not im comparison to yours. Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous. Racers are not trained to 'seek and destroy', they go on sight and chase moving things. Sounds like these dogs are not well socialised and as a result are aggressive but luckily they were muzzled. Dont let it affect your opinion of all greyhounds. I know dozens of ex racers who are the softest things alive with people and dogs.
I'm sure your dogs will recover okay. Try and just act normal around them and give them opportunities to meet friendly steady dogs for a few days. I'm pretty sure the greyhound owner will be far more careful in future after his telling off from the police.
I agree one hundred percent with Jo ;)
Me too!
Hope you feel better soon x
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Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous.
I agree mine have had quite a bit of rough and tumble from greys and lurchers as they really do play roughly
Hope you feel better about it all soon though
Billys best friend in the whole wide world is a lurcher, he absolutely adores her and yet she is very rough with him! Funny though as the greyhound that we see in the park every morning is absolutely terrified of Billy !
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How awful for all of you. I'd pull a sicky and spend time together, i think you could all do with some tlc off each other :luv:
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I agree with Jo too, and Gari's best friend is a gentle greyhound, but I have met a few aggressive unsocialised ones and they are very frightening. It's lucky that the ones you met were muzzled and at least the owner was sensible enough to do that. I can understand how frightened you were and hope you and your dogs get over it quickly. :luv:
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I have no doubt that greyhounds, like all dogs, are great natured creatures, it's just a shame that my only 2 experiences with them have resulted in fear and injury (about a month after we got Molly, I was walking her in the park with my friend and her cocker, Diesel, and a rescue greyhound went for Diesel because he got too close and Molly made a run for it - it had issues but I nearly lost Molly because of them). Think I need to find a nice one to build up my own courage of them, before I see how the pups are with them.
Poor Ches keeps running and squealing in his sleep. Molly's coming round now though, the sight of doggy choc buttons perked her up a bit ::)
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Poor you and poor dogs. It is very frightening when something like this happens. Why are some people so stupid and irresponsible?
I hope you and your fella and Molly and Ches all recover from the shock soon. Lots of cuddles prescribed for you all tonight :-*
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Really sorry to hear you all got such a fright. At the risk of being shot down in flames I think it sounds as if the owner did the best he could....? Obviously the dogs had got out of their own garden somehow but he was responsible enough to have them muzzled in the first place (which not all owners of aggressive dogs do) and he apologised to you as well as chasing after them. I'm sure he got a shock too but obviously not im comparison to yours. Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous. Racers are not trained to 'seek and destroy', they go on sight and chase moving things. Sounds like these dogs are not well socialised and as a result are aggressive but luckily they were muzzled. Dont let it affect your opinion of all greyhounds. I know dozens of ex racers who are the softest things alive with people and dogs.
I'm sure your dogs will recover okay. Try and just act normal around them and give them opportunities to meet friendly steady dogs for a few days. I'm pretty sure the greyhound owner will be far more careful in future after his telling off from the police.
I agree one hundred percent with Jo ;)
Hoping you and your dogs are ok :luv:
-- i agree- the dogs were muzzled and they didnt actually do any damage, try not to act too stressed as your dogs will pick up on it ,theres a couple of big lurcher/nearly greyhounds by us , they come haring in at full speed and i worry if they bang into my dogs they will hurt them, and sighthounds do do that banging shoulder thing to knock each other off balance , i always try to get in their way and theyve been fine , that said i have no problem shouting at any dog to behave a sharp NO or THATS ENOUGH loudly often stops a dog in its tracks before trouble starts ,err what do you want the police to do !! , if they had actually attacked your dogs fair enough, but they didnt actually hurt your dogs , they jumped up at you , im sorry you were upset , and maybe your dogs are acting accordingly ,try and put it behind you
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Lynsey - so sorry that you have had such a scary experience; I am always left shaken when I encounter an out-of-control dog ph34r
the dogs were muzzled and they didnt actually do any damage, try not to act too stressed as your dogs will pick up on it ,theres a couple of big lurcher/nearly greyhounds by us , they come haring in at full speed and i worry if they bang into my dogs they will hurt them, and sighthounds do do that banging shoulder thing to knock each other off balance , i always try to get in their way and theyve been fine , that said i have no problem shouting at any dog to behave a sharp NO or THATS ENOUGH loudly often stops a dog in its tracks before trouble starts ,err what do you want the police to do !! , if they had actually attacked your dogs fair enough, but they didnt actually hurt your dogs , they jumped up at you , im sorry you were upset , and maybe your dogs are acting accordingly ,try and put it behind you
Even a muzzled dog can harm another - especially a puppy of a few months old :-\ The risk of physical damage is significantly reduced of course, but an adult dog can bruise a puppy, and the psychological damage can take commitment and patience to overcome :-\
However, I do think that this case was an unforeseen accident rather than an irresponsible dog owner - I'm sure that many of us (including myself) have had escapee dogs ph34r I applaud the owner for recognising that this could happen and keeping his dogs muzzled even when in their own home/garden ;)
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The way I saw it, the owner was intending to take the dogs for a walk, he had their leads in his hand and I think they made a run for it before he could hook them onto them. An accident on the owner's part, yes. But I really do doubt this dog was just being overly playful. It was like, crazed, growling and snarling at me when I dared pick Chester up. I could see it's teeth behind the muzzle, have a scratch down my back from it's nails and it even frightened Ewan, who I know to be pretty much fearless. The owner was clearly over-whelmed by 2 dogs far too energetic and strong and intent on doing what they please to control and, in my opinion, should not have them for the sake of the dogs, the public and the owner himself.
I know the dogs will react to how I'm feeling so I'm trying really hard to let it go. It just annoys me when people take on more than they can handle. It's not fair on them or the dogs.
Rant over, positive thoughts I think. And an almost definate sickie tomorrow. ph34r
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Aaaww I was sad to hear of your bad experince.
I just think people should have their dogs on leads before they leave the confines of their garden, especially if you cant trust your dog not to run off if somthing interesting comes along...Ok so they were muzzled and that a good job but they should have been on leads.
Hope your doggys are ok :luv:
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I can understand that you are feeling very shaken up and angry about this, and I hope you and your dogs recover quickly!
But I have to say that I agree with a lot of the comments here that it does seem like an unfortunate accident, rather than an irresponsible owner. There have been several threads recently about people who have had there dogs attacked, and they have all been along the lines of unmuzzled, completely out of control dogs, and the owners have at best done nothing, at worst blamed the victim. If this man is already muzzling his dogs, I would imagine this incident will make him even more vigilent - he at least expressed concern for your dogs, rather than just walking off, and was probably mortified that his dogs had behaved so badly, and with such an impact on a young pup.
This doesn't mean that you aren't entitled to feel aggreived for your dogs - I think you all need some time to relax and get over what must have been an awful experience.
Aaaww I was sad to hear of your bad experince.
I just think people should have their dogs on leads before they leave the confines of their garden, especially if you cant trust your dog not to run off if somthing interesting comes along...Ok so they were muzzled and that a good job but they should have been on leads.
Hope your doggys are ok :luv:
The difficulty here is that they ran out of their garden - ok, so the owner should have ensured the garden was secure, but he didn't take them out of the garden off lead. ;)
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Aaaww I was sad to hear of your bad experince.
I just think people should have their dogs on leads before they leave the confines of their garden, especially if you cant trust your dog not to run off if somthing interesting comes along...Ok so they were muzzled and that a good job but they should have been on leads.
Hope your doggys are ok :luv:
The difficulty here is that they ran out of their garden - ok, so the owner should have ensured the garden was secure, but he didn't take them out of the garden off lead. ;)
Its just annoying thought isnt it, he should then make sure the garden is secure. I know accidents happen but if you have two that you have got muzzled you do need to be more aware of the surroundings and make sure they are not able to get out.
Mine are just as soft as anything but I would even dare open my front door before they were on their leads because I know if they saw anything tempting they would be off :005: were traning in that area at the moment!! ;)
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Hope you all are feeling better today, it's a really unfortunate accident which I'm sure the owner of the grey's has learnt from. I'm sorry you got scratched, they have really pointy strong toes and nails for running so I can imagine how painful that was.
It's highly probable these 2 greys are rescues, in which case the owner involved may not know their capabilities yet - the fact that they were muzzled is extremely positive, and shows this owner is trying to do their best by the dogs, and I would think he has learnt a very sorry but valuable lesson. I'm a bit curious as to what would you want to happen to him and the dogs, and what you hope the police will do?
There are lovely dog friendly lurchers and grey's out there - I hope you'll get the chance to meet some soon.
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What a horrible thing to happen!!
Maybe it would be worthwhile seeking out some good natured greyhounds to socialise ur dogs with? a dog near me was attcked by a black lab as a puppy and when it got older it was aggressive to all large black dogs, which was such a shame for the owner because it was very friendly to all other dogs but she couldn't let it off the lead in the park incase a big black dog came in.
Dil's best doggie friend was a greyhound called cookie.....I think she was actually in love with him but he was having none of it :005: and for some reason these two breeds can really get on, so it would be a shame if your dogs became frightened of all greyhounds!
Goodluck with it, time to relax and get over the shock I think!
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I am new to this site, but just wanted to say how sorry I am for your bad experience.
Hope you all feel better in time. I am sending you all a (((((((((((BIG HUG))))))))))))))
Angela XXX
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I hope you are all feeling better today,hopefully this man will have learnt his lesson and make sure he has them on a lead from now on. Sending best wishes to you all
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Maybe it would be worthwhile seeking out some good natured greyhounds to socialise ur dogs with? a dog near me was attcked by a black lab as a puppy and when it got older it was aggressive to all large black dogs, which was such a shame for the owner because it was very friendly to all other dogs but she couldn't let it off the lead in the park incase a big black dog came in.
Dil's best doggie friend was a greyhound called cookie.....I think she was actually in love with him but he was having none of it :005: and for some reason these two breeds can really get on, so it would be a shame if your dogs became frightened of all greyhounds!
Definitely try and find some friendly greyhounds to socialise with, Jarvis adores leggy dogs, greyhounds, lurchers, etc. :luv:
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Sounds very scary and I completely understand where you're coming from - we had a similar thing with a Rottie last summer which terrorised our two, it wasn't actually trying to bite them or anything but just throwing its weight around and following them - basically being a bully and freaking them out to the point they were both screaming and running away from it (but unfortunately in this case the owner wasn't at all responsible and completely ignored my pleas for her to call her dog away so that we could get on our way >:D).
I do think in this case at least the owner tried to sort it out as quickly as possible. I think the fact that the greyhound was jumping up at you is just because you'd picked your dog up - we had a similar thing with a couple of staffies who had it in for Bella and Ali picked her up (owners were busy smoking fags the other side of the park and taking no notice at all even with us shouting at them). As soon as Bella was in Ali's arms the dogs then started leaping up and down trying to bite her on the bum and Ali got a few nips in the process (but I don't think they were people-aggressive dogs, it was more like co-lateral damage).
Greyhounds can be boisterous, there used to be one near us who always used to charge at Bella and then some to a screeching halt in front of her, and initially she was really freaked but then got used to it and would just tell it off.
Do take the advice of trying not to let your dogs pick up on the fact that you're now nervous of greyhounds, it can really make things worse (we had this with staffies - Bella was attacked 3 or 4 times and I ended up so that if I saw one my heart would be leaping out of my chest and Bella definitely picked up on that. When I started to calm down about them, so did she :shades:). It's really hard but just try and be positive and find some more placid greyhounds for them to meet if possible.
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Greyhounds dont usually see smaller dogs as prey but can be very very boisterous.
I agree mine have had quite a bit of rough and tumble from greys and lurchers as they really do play roughly
That's why I don't normally let my lurchers play with other dogs; but I have had complaints about that too - for not letting my dogs play with a cavalier... Sometimes we can't get it right whatever we do...
I would imagine that the owner of the greyhounds was just as shaken as you were... I know how it feels to be in your shoes... one of my lurchers has been attacked several times, 6 times needing stitches. I also know how it feels to have lurchers that play too rough and make an unsuspecting dog squeal... Neither is a nice feeling and both needs lots of confidence building afterwards.
If you can, find greyhound or any sighthounds to walk with as soon as possible to make sure that your dogs (and you) are not too badly affected! I always used to do this after an attack on Dylan... It meant that he never developped any issues with any breeds... (The only exception being labradors after a choc labrador would not leave him alone and kept hassling him until Dylan lost it with him and told him off very sharply).
I hope you are all feeling better today.
Vera :D