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Title: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 03:23:07 PM
Hi!
I recently bought an English Cocker Spaniel who is just 37 days old. She is black in color and her name is Olive. I'm a first time owner and have never owned any pet before neither do any of my close relatives or family friends have any dogs or pets for that matter.

I was hoping people would be able to help me out, she is a bit dirty from the breeder, i got her yesterday actually and I've been told that she can't have any bath but a sponge bath with a savlon is alright, so should i do it ? Also she smells a lot, i know dogs are suppose to smell but should I use some kind of powder ?

I'm feeding her 5 times a day, she is pretty active but also sleeps a lot. My concern is that if she sleeps in evenings then she won't sleep in the night time. During the day time, we don't put her in the box but during the night time I do put her in the box and it seems she sleeps well in it. Its a brown carton box, with towel at the bottom and paper on top and also has a cloth and a stuffed toy in it so that she feels cozy in it. Last night we woke up twice because she had peed, so we took her out, changed the paper and then made her sleep again, this happened twice ? I'm assuming its alright ?

Also her milk teeth has come out and she feels little irritated since I'm assuming she wants to chew something, i got her chew bones but she isn't chewing them so what should I do ? because she starts chewing my toe nails :s

Any other tips would greatly be appreciated so please share them :)

Thanks

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Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: JennyBee on July 01, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
She seems awfully young :-\. Puppies shouldn't leave their mums until 8 weeks, unless I'm doing my maths wrong? A puppy's teeth should usually begin to fall out at about 17 weeks I think - have you taken her to the vets for her checkup?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 03:31:40 PM
I dunno tbh what to do :s

Did the breeder cheat me or she is not 37 days old :(

I will be taking her tomorrow to the vet for general check up and basic shots whatever is needed
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Crazy Cocker Gang on July 01, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
She is way too young to be away from her mum and litter mates. :'(
i have no experience of pups under 8weeks so cant give advice on what to do but hopefully an experienced breeder on here could help you.
Why did she leave her breeders so young
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Crazy Cocker Gang on July 01, 2009, 03:32:53 PM
I dunno tbh what to do :s

Did the breeder cheat me or she is not 37 days old :(

I would guess form the pics she is around 5weeks. The breeder should never have given her to you that young and im sorry but it could cause alot of future problems
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: JennyBee on July 01, 2009, 03:35:41 PM
I dunno tbh what to do :s

Did the breeder cheat me or she is not 37 days old :(

I would guess form the pics she is around 5weeks. The breeder should never have given her to you that young and im sorry but it could cause alot of future problems

I agree, there seems to be something very wrong here :'(. Really sorry, I hope someone will be along to give you advice.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
I hope she remains alright. First thing, i will be taking her to vet tomorrow for a general checkup. I think my breeder cheated me :/
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Crazy Cocker Gang on July 01, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
I hope she remains alright. First thing, i will be taking her to vet tomorrow for a general checkup. I think my breeder cheated me :/

What did your breeder tell you about why she was leaving so young?
How long have you had her?
What do you mean when you say the breeder cheated you?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Nicola on July 01, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
How did you find her breeder? Did you see her mother and the rest of the litter? Is she Kennel Club registered? Sorry for all the questions but 37 days old is way, way too young for a puppy to be away from their mother :-\  From the photos I'd also say she's about 5 weeks which is still far too young. She should go to the vet for a check up but will not be able to have her injections for a good few weeks yet so you will not be able to take her out in public (unless you're carrying her) for quite some time.

Puppies do have a 'puppy' smell but should not smell dirty or of faeces or urine, it should be a clean, warm almost powdery or milky smell. She will not have lost any of her teeth yet, she probably hasn't even had them that long :-\  All puppies chew and all puppies will pee and poo in the house until they are properly house trained which can take weeks if not months. What are you feeding her?

Have you done any research or read any books before getting a puppy? There is a lot involved in choosing a puppy, puppy care and raising a healthy, happy dog. If you haven't I would recommend you get hold of a book like The Perfect Puppy by Gwen Bailey as soon as you can and have a read of it.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
I did my research and all and I take good care of her, I have a helper who is 24x7 with me and stays at my place so he feeds her when i'm not around. I did my research and all but maybe it wasn't enough. Regarding this breeder, i did a lot of Google search and general reviews and he seems to be the best in my city apparently. I didn't really ask why he was giving her away so early, thought it was alright, i need to get her papers, she is registered to a kennel club.

She doesn't smell of poo or urine, we clean her well with a napkin whenever she has done having her food and all.

She sleeps a lot, i'm assuming since she is still so young, its alright ?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Jane S on July 01, 2009, 03:49:15 PM
nextavenger, could you confirm what country you are in? Your IP address is Indian & if you are in India, this may explain why the usual protocol has not been followed re the age of your puppy as I don't believe there is too much legislation covering puppy sales in your country (although there are some reputable breeders in your country of course)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Crazy Cocker Gang on July 01, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
She will sleep alot at that age yes.
Im sorry but there is no way you got her from a good breeder, you really need to look at the problems you could be facing in future with her being taken away from the litter so young.  :'(
I know this might not be a popular opinion at all but I would return her.
Any breeder that lets a pup go so young has probably not done everything in their power to give them the best start in life. Was the sire and dam health tested?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: I love cockers on July 01, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Are you in the UK?

Personally I think she looks like an American cocker but maybe thats cos she is so young and small  :luv:. It does seem odd that you have been sold a puppy so young but you have her now so you need to the best for her and coming on her is a good start. Like everyone else has said it would be sensible to take her to the vet and get her checked over.

Not sure when you can bathe her but wouldnt have thought using powder is a good idea. Did you see where she was living before you picked her up?

What are you feeding her?

Its normal for puppies to sleep lots especially when they are so young - mine is 14 weeks old and sleeps for a few hours during the day and all night too (she slept more when she was younger)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 03:54:33 PM
Yes! I'm from India and we don't have a strict laws or rules and regulations. I think I could have got conned but I will be doing everything to see she has a good life. I can't return apparently so I'm not going to say that I'm stuck with her. I asked him and apparently they are breeded in farms. I couldn't go there because its pretty far
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Jane S on July 01, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Yes! I'm from India and we don't have a strict laws or rules and regulations. I think I could have got conned but I will be doing everything to see she has a good life. I can't return apparently so I'm not going to say that I'm stuck with her. I asked him and apparently they are breeded in farms. I couldn't go there because its pretty far


That's a shame - it appears you have bought a pup from a puppy farm rather than from a reputable breeder (the Kennel Club of India actually has a Breeder scheme which prevents the sale of puppies before 8 weeks old, much like in the UK but your breeder won't be a member). You definitely need advice from your vet on feeding & other aspects of care as your pup will most likely need worming properly etc.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: bajoleth on July 01, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Oh dear, well you have come here for advice and that was a good move, I think we have established that it was not a good breeder and she was too young to leave her mum, what nextavenger now needs is some practical advice from someone experienced in rearing young pups ;)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: bracken on July 01, 2009, 04:04:38 PM
I'm sure members on COL will support you and your pup  :luv: and give you lots of advice  :blink:

hoping she is ok when checked over by the vet tomorrow,she looks so tiny bless her

Jo

Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Karma on July 01, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
It's a shame you have a pup from a puppy farm, but it's good that you seem determined to do your best for her.

She will need all the help you can give her, especially over the next few weeks... as Jane S says, definately get her seen by the vets, who should advise you on all aspects of health (worming, vaccinations etc).  Puppies normally learn a lot during the few weeks they have with their litter mates, and you will need to help her learn these things in other ways.  Once she is vaccinated, make sure she mixes with lots of nice friendly dogs, as she may be lacking in methods of doggie communication.  In the meantime she is still very young - she will need lots of sleep... I would try and set up her box so she can use it during the day too, as she will feel safe and secure there... It sounds like she is doing really well overnight.  Over the next few weeks, gradually introduce her to new experiences, like going outside (if there is a secure area not visited by other dogs, she can be on the ground, if not you will have to carry her until she has had all her vaccinations), household noises (if she was puppy farm bred, she'll probably not have experienced things like a vacuum cleaner), different people, noises etc - but don't overwhelm her, especially in the first couple of weeks.

You will probably have more difficulty managing her puppy biting and chewing as she gets older, as she will not have learned her early lesson from her mum and siblings... there is a lot of advice on here about puppy biting and if you follow it you will get there, but it might take longer than for people who's pups come to them at 8 weeks... I'm sure you will be patient and kind with her (but do know most of us have been driven to despair by our pups at one point or another).

Are you able to attend any good training classes with her?? Obviously this will be several weeks away, but training classes (that use positive training methods) and any attached socialisation groups will also help your pup overcome her start in life.

I don't know anything about the nutritional needs of such a young pup, but hopefully someone on here who breeds will have more advice for you.  Likewise with bathing.

She is gorgeous  :luv: and it sounds like you are determined to do everything right for her - this is a great place for advice on all aspects of cocker spaniels...  It sounds like she is a very confident little girl, and hopefully this will help her and you in the long run.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: brownsugar on July 01, 2009, 04:17:24 PM
Good of you to post, Newavenger. The situation is as it is and now's to make the best of it.

What a little cutie she is  :luv:! She'll need a lot of love and care from you!
Do you have a name for her?

Sorry to have no more practical advise for you. But there are some COL-members who breed their dogs and who'll undoubtably have loads of advice!
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Crazy Cocker Gang on July 01, 2009, 04:20:11 PM
Do you have a rescue centre near you?
We have a few in the uk that take in alot of very young puppy farm pups like yours and they could give you some really good advice on the best things to do with her if they have experience in caring for young pups.

Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Nicola on July 01, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
I think all of us assumed you were in the UK as most posters on here are. Your little pup has not had the best start in life but it sounds like you're going to do the best by her which is great. I would definitely get her to a good vet as soon as possible and speak to them about things like socialisation and good local training classes (for when she's old enough) as well as worming, injections, feeding etc.

You could also try contacting the Kennel Club of India and they might be able to put you in touch with a good Cocker breeder in your city who could give you some practical advice on caring for a very young pup (or a breeder of another breed, Cockers would be ideal but any good breeder should be able to offer you some help).
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
Hey!
Thanks a lot guys for such speedy replies, really helped boosting my morale. Spoke to two vets like right now, I will be taking her tomorrow. She is playing now but since her teeth is coming out, she is feeling a bit irritated i guess with the whole teething thing. She sleeps really well and sleeps a lot. Whenever she is sleepy, i put her in the box, its really nice and cozy inside. I have put a cloth and stuff toy in it so that she doesn't feel cold and feels a bit warm. When she makes me wake up in the middle of the night, i take her out of the box, take her to the living room and change the paper inside it and then put her back to sleep by petting her and being near the box for 5-10 mins. I keep the box right next to my bed so that she doesn't feel lonely.

She is quite dirty though since she has come from the farms so i want to clean her but i can't bathe her. Anyway to tackle this ? and should i start brushing her gently ?

Also i now recall that the breeder said her dad was a champion breed and was pretty good since he had won 3 shows or something. There were only two siblings according to him but who knows whether he was lying or not.

Her name is Olive btw and I'm from India and not Uk :)

Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Jane S on July 01, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
She is playing now but since her teeth is coming out, she is feeling a bit irritated i guess with the whole teething thing. She sleeps really well and sleeps a lot.

Please get your vet to check this - her teeth should not be coming out yet. Baby pups get their first teeth from around 3 weeks old and they stay until a pup is around 4 months old when the adult teeth come through.

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She is quite dirty though since she has come from the farms so i want to clean her but i can't bathe her. Anyway to tackle this ? and should i start brushing her gently ?

There is no reason why you cannot give your puppy a gentle wash all over. If you don't want to bath her, can you get baby wipes or something similar in India? If so, use these to wipe Olive all over which will make her much cleaner (and improve her smell)

Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: GinnyB on July 01, 2009, 05:38:18 PM
I got the impression that the OP was suggesting that the pup's teeth are just coming through rather than the pup's teeth are falling out.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Jane S on July 01, 2009, 06:00:13 PM
I got the impression that the OP was suggesting that the pup's teeth are just coming through rather than the pup's teeth are falling out.

Maybe but it's not really clear & baby pups don't generally get irritable when their first teeth come through :-\ By 5 weeks, they're pretty much got all their needle teeth anyway. Best for the vet to do a thorough check - we can unfortunately only give so much advice when we're in a country which is so different to the OP's.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: minimoo on July 01, 2009, 06:45:16 PM
i know its tempting to wash her but personally i wouldnt bath her for a couple of weeks , shes very young ,just try gently rubbing her down with baby wipes, im really really glad you are determined to see she has a good life, they are truly lovely dogs and well worth the effort, you will get ALOT of help and good advice on here if you want it, and Welcome to COL by the way  :blink: :blink:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: carol b on July 01, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
She's lovely.  Glad she's with someone who is going to look after her.  Keep us all posted and ask all the questions you want and don't forget when she's bigger and being naughty she doesn't know what naughty means, its up to us to teach them the behaviour expected from them and this can always be done in a gentle way.  Are you able to get any books from the library to help you??
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 01, 2009, 07:28:39 PM
They don't really have any books on dogs in a law library, I'm a law student btw :)

I will be going tomorrow to buy a book on dogs. I have spoken to the vet and will be meeting him tomorrow evening, hope everything is alright with her :) I have given her a sponge bath with warm water but I will buy wipes too. She is so patient when i was giving her a sponge bath. She was stable and was not at all angry or fussy, she didn't even try running away as if she knew it was for her own good. After that i dried her properly with a towel and put her in the box, she slept immediately with the stuffed toy using it as pillow. Glad she's liking her new toy :)

I'm not sure about her teeth but from what i can make out, they are still coming out i think so she feels a bit irritated, i think a good vet can guide me best with the whole thing.

Again thanks for a hearty welcome, definitely will look forward posting about her condition.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: JennyBee on July 01, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
She sounds like a lovely wee pup :luv: :luv: Hope everything goes well at the vets :D
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: bracken on July 02, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
Hi

How did little Olive get on today at the vets ?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: HeatherFeather on July 02, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
I think a pup that young is going to need to be on a milk replacer, in conjunction with puppy food- a regular puppy food on its own wouldn't have enough fat or protein or minerals for her.  In two more weeks maybe...but giving her a milk replacer now could make a big difference in her longterm health.

I haven't fostered any puppies yet, but a LOT of kittens.

If you can't get puppy formula, then you can use whole goat's milk.  You'd need to skim some of it, and add the fat back to some whole goat's milk. Keep the skim for yourself, and use the extra fattened for the pup.  Dogs and cats both have fattier milk than goats, I know that.  But goats have very small easily digested proteins in their milk so a lot of other animals take to it well. (steer CLEAR of cows milk)

She should be ok to lap the milk at her age, and not need a bottle.  While it may be tempting and fun to offer a bottle, it won't help her at all to learn proper eating, now that she's old enough to lap. (I have a cat who I let stay on a bottle too long and be darned, at 7 years of age, he still has trouble picking up kibbles, and will 'suck' soft food as opposed to licking it)

I would think its ok to completely bathe her, if you do it in a warm room, and do it quick.  Then wrap her up and keep her snuggled against you, changing to a new dry towel every so often, til she's dry.  I do this with kittens, they get messy from eating and when they poop, and its important to keep them clean so they will grow accustomed to being clean, and be a clean adult in turn.  If you don't keep them clean as babies...they sometimes don't end up cleaning themselves as an adult.  The breeder or puppy broker likely gave you that advice in good conscience based on their experience that if they bathe pups and put them back in a cage, they all catch a chill and get sick.  Its the snuggling part that is key.

I know its also good to keep them with you as much as possible- as in inside a baby sling or carrier, against your body.  Put her down to exercise when she's awake...but let her sleep on you or your friend.  She's an orphan and you need to take the place of her mom-baby dogs and cats need to be snuggled against other animals pretty much all the time until they're 7 or 8 weeks.  Its not just about warmth, its about the brain secreting the feel good hormones and chemicals that lead to proper brain development and normal functional personalities. Humans are the same way, but we just take that for granted.

If you can, find someone else who has pups near the same age, if you can socialize her with other pups at least every day...I'm sure it will help a lot.  I'd be very concerned about her personality development if I were you.  My last dog was a rescue, who came from a dog farm originally.  He was really sweet, but also had a terrible mean side, which inevitably put my family at danger.  Even if you can regularly socialize her with a gentle adult dog, it would be better than nothing.  I can't stress this enough.  Even with cats, the ones I fostered that were singletons, when I had no other cats....they turned out to be weird adults.  Not such a big deal with a cat, but with a dog, that could jeopordize your safety.  Ideally, you would have a calm gentle adult animal of the same species in the house before fostering an orphan.

Hopefully a breeder on here can confirm this thought too- A pup of 5 weeks may not normally poop on their own yet when they're with their mothers.  Mother cats stimulate the kittens to defecate and urinate by licking their genitals until they're 6 weeks.  Yes, they do begin going on their own at 4 weeks, but the mothers still do it sometimes for them at that age.  I don't know 100% but I think mother dogs do clean their bums for as long or longer than a cat does.  Its really important, even if she goes on her own most of the time to still do this, if that's the case, otherwise she might be setting up for bowel problems as an adult.  You basically just take a warm moist washcloth, and wipe the genitals gently from front to back, and 'it' comes out.  Then you put a little vaseline on after to keep the skin soft (the mother would use her saliva  ;) ).

Having a very young animal is and should be a LOT of work.  You can choose not to put in that amount of time, but the results may not be too good in the long run.

The good part is, the hard work only lasts for a few weeks.  In 3 weeks, she'll be just like anyone else's pup...just maybe need a little more socialization.

Congrats on your new baby and best of luck, hope my info helps!!!
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 02, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
I wasn't able to go to the vet today since it was raining heavily all day. I'm not giving her milk but I'm giving her Nestle Cerelac [ Wheat ] which is meant for infants with water. She seems to be liking it and I'm feeding her 5 times a day i.e.

6 AM, 10 AM, 2pm, 6pm and 10pm

Its very cold today so she has peed quite often, i think she is feeling cold. Whenever she sleeps, i put her in the box and cover her with a small blanket. I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow so that i can take her to the vet.

I read a few threads here regarding bathroom training her, got some nice tips :)

Regarding socializing, i know a 10 months old labrador, do you think i should try socializing both of them ?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Jane S on July 02, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
I wasn't able to go to the vet today since it was raining heavily all day. I'm not giving her milk but I'm giving her Nestle Cerelac [ Wheat ] which is meant for infants with water. She seems to be liking it and I'm feeding her 5 times a day i.e.

6 AM, 10 AM, 2pm, 6pm and 10pm

Are you only giving her this Nestle Cerelac, nothing else? If so, this isn't really suitable for puppies - 5 week old pups need much more than this. Sorry to disagree with Heather but a good complete puppy food (well soaked in advance so that food is soft and mushy) is what our 5 week old puppies would be on as our litters are mostly weaned at this age (we aim for them to be completely weaned by 6 weeks old). Please, you really must get to your vet asap - presumably your vet will be able to supply you with some food if you are unable to purchase elsewhere. You don't have to worry about getting your pup to poop by the way - 5 week old puppies are more than capable of doing this by themselves without any assistance ;)

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Regarding socializing, i know a 10 months old labrador, do you think i should try socializing both of them ?

No not yet- your pup needs to have all her vaccinations before mixing with other dogs. You will also need to take care when introducing to much bigger dogs - your puppy could be easily injured by a much heavier dog like a young Labrador (quite a clumsy breed when young)

Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: sharonmansfield on July 02, 2009, 08:13:16 PM
Hello and Welcome, your little pup is really lovely and its good that she has found herself someone who is trying to do the best for her as the breeder obviously did not. About the bathing, I took my puppy to the vets when she was 8 weeks old as she had a smelly ear and he cleaned them out and gave her some drops and told me to give her a bath, I did not think you could bath a puppy at 8 weeks but he said it was fine and gave me some gentle shampoo. I would check her ears to make sure thats not where the smell is coming from.

I have no experience of a puppy younger than 8 weeks but you have come to the right place for good advice there are some lovely helpful people on here.
Good luck at the vets and I hope that Olive is a healthy puppy.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: HeatherFeather on July 02, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
Nestle Cerelac?

I agree with Jane, stop giving her that ASAP. Its pretty much filler, with some iron and vit D if you're lucky.  Even for human babes, who need waaaay less fat and protein than dogs, that stuff is considered total junk food in healthy lifestyle circles.

I'm sure Jane knows way more about pups than I do ;) So get her on a high quality pup food asap.  My experience is with orphan kittens.  There are many ways to get a good outcome, but no way are you going to get it with cerelac.

Quality pup food will be close to this: protein 28% no less  fat 14% no less fibre 3.5% no more

If anything, the vet might have access to more specialized foods.  If you're in a big city, then you'll probably be ok to find something, but if not you might have to make something yourself.

Nutrition is very very important in fostering baby animals.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 03, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
Hi Guys!
Just came back from the vet. Vet says she is normal and is healthy. She has flea in her right leg so he has said to start using little flea power, what do you guys say ? also she was de-wormed again by him.

We also have bought a nice medium round bed for her which is very comfortable compared to the carton. She instantly loved it and is sleeping in it. We bought some chew sticks for her teething which can easily be chewed by her. Doctor has recommended to start her on Pedigree. We will be feeding her pedigree twice and cerelac twice in a day so thats 4 meals a day. We have to soak the pedigree 30 mins before we feed her. This particular pedigree is for 'Weaning puppies between the age 6-8 weeks' so i think it will be good for her. Doctor says we can give her a sponge bath but its preferred to use something like wipes. Doctor also said she will be sleeping a lot which she does so its good :)

Her vaccinations will start from day after tomorrow. There will be one shot after every 21 days. In her second shot, he will also give her a shot for rabies.

So thats about it. Its really nice finding this site as it really helped me boost my morale and finding people who genuinely care for her.

Thanks :)

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Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: cerinrich on July 03, 2009, 01:50:22 PM
Oh she looks so tiny in that bed, bless her!
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: EmmaA on July 03, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Awww she is gorgeous  :luv:  :luv:
I hope she continues to thrive and I look forward to seeing pictures of her as she grows up
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: LinzB on July 03, 2009, 02:07:53 PM
Olive is  :luv: Good luck with her, and I hope she continues to do well, you certainly seem committed to her!
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Ninasmum on July 03, 2009, 02:08:15 PM
Oh she is so tiny, bless her.  :luv: 

Did you mention to the Vets about her teeth?  I thought on a previous post that you said her teeth were falling out.  :-\   She shouldn't be losing any baby teeth for a long time yet, about 15-16 weeks.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 03, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
I did. These are her milk teeth, they aren't falling actually. They will though after sometime. She just feels itchy i think since she feels like biting things like my toe. I will be buying a teether meant for puppies so that she can chew it and feel satisfied :)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Coco on July 03, 2009, 03:22:29 PM
Good to hear she is coming along well. With regards to toilet training just make sure she goes out after every meal and sleep and every half and hour or so. It helps to use a cue word when she goes (we say wee wees :005: ) so that hopefully she'll go on command. Give lots of praise when she's been and don't punish accidents in the house, if you catch her going in the house put her outside so that she associates outside with toilet.
I'd try to get lots of human contact and when she's had her jabs doggy contact so that she isn't nervous.
I'd also vote for bathing is ok so long as it's gentle and not too often.
Remember that she is too young for lots of exercise so she doesn't really need walks yet  ;)
She is beautiful  :luv:  :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: bracken on July 03, 2009, 03:30:21 PM
Did the vet recommend a flee powder as she is so tiny ?

Love her new bed she looks so tiny and sweet  :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: amanda9586 on July 03, 2009, 03:31:07 PM
Awww she is lovely!!!  I hope you  keep it touch it will be lovely to see her grow.  :luv: :luv:

Glad she has been to the vets and all seems to be well!  Good luck you have got a lot of fun and love and pleasure ahead of you  :luv: :luv:

Amanda & Poppy x
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: HeatherFeather on July 03, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
That's great that she passed her vet check well :)

Make sure to read the side of the pedigree puppy food to double check that the fat and protein contents are high enough.  Sometimes even the best vets will recommend the food that they sell; and sometimes they sell what they can get the best profit margin on regardless of quality....cause hey, they gotta put bread on the table too.

I'm suprised the vet said to keep her on the cerelac for now?  Baby pablum is really not a very good food.  It fills the tummy up giving the full sensation, but doesn't provide the nutrients required for growth.

Olive looks absolutely adorable in her little bed!  I just LOVE black cockers. Good job on finding support online here for raising your pup. Keep up the good work! 
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: GinnyB on July 03, 2009, 04:10:23 PM
Olive looks very happy and comfy in her new bed. I hope she continues to do well and that you have many happy years together.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Rats and Dogs on July 03, 2009, 04:29:03 PM
Olive looks so sweet and tiny in her new bed. :luv: You've found the right forum for good advice on rearing your puppy, I look forward to hearing how she does as she grows up. :D
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 03, 2009, 05:56:24 PM
Apparently she has learned not to wet or dirty her bed. So when she wants to pee, she gets out and pees on the newspaper and then comes back and sleep :)

What should I do with the flea in her right leg because it irritates her ? Any suggestions besides applying little flea powder ?

I checked the nutrients on the pedigree packet : 32% Protein , 18% Fat and 25% Carbohydrates. Is that good enough ?

She is put on cerelac but gradually we are shifting her to Pedigree, thats what he said. Her teether is coming tomorrow but she is not really chewing the chew sticks [ Chicken Flavored ], maybe i will try giving her in next few days again. We have started gently brushing her coat too so that she remains clean.

I'm surprised how fast she is growing :)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: JennyBee on July 03, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
what a sweetie :luv: :luv: I hope we get to see more photos of her as she grows, I think she'll grow into a very stunning girl :shades:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: EmmaA on July 03, 2009, 06:17:59 PM
Just a little tip for the teething, if you wet a flannel or small towel and put it in the freezer she might enjoy chewing on that  :D
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: HeatherFeather on July 03, 2009, 07:02:39 PM
Those food percentages look great for protein and fat  :D  definately a puppy food! 

Not sure about the carbs tho...I've never seen that printed on a pet food here.  Hm.  Not sure why.  Anyone else?

See if you can find out the fibre content though, as if its more than 4% it'll flush out to quick for stuff to absorb into the gut.

You must have a different pedigree product over there than we have here.  What we have is only 11% fat in the puppy food, not enough really.  Pedigree here is thought of as mmmm, say...an 'entry level' type dog food.  But, companies do make different products to fill different niches, and the higher end market is pretty flooded by small companies here so maybe its not where you are, so you have a better pedigree from what you're saying re. the percentages.  I, personally would just be really wary about using it long term if it contains wheat and corn and beet pulp and poultry byproduct (ground beaks and bones) as it does here.

That's great that Olive is potty training herself!  I sure hope my pup does the same thing when he/she arrives!  Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Smudgesmum on July 03, 2009, 07:24:19 PM
Just found this post and wanted to say welcome to COL. What a sweet little girl Olive is.
 :luv: :luv:
 You definitely have learnt a lot in a few days and I am sure olive will keep you on your toes! Look forward to photos as she develops and keep asking the questions...there are some very knowledgable folks on here that will always help you...Liz
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Ninasmum on July 03, 2009, 07:39:08 PM
I did. These are her milk teeth, they aren't falling actually. They will though after sometime. She just feels itchy i think since she feels like biting things like my toe. I will be buying a teether meant for puppies so that she can chew it and feel satisfied :)

At Olive's age, puppies do tend to bite your feet.  I have had 9 puppies 'attacking' my feet at this age, and it was agony.  :o  I started putting rubber shoes on to try and prevent it but they just carried on biting the shoes instead.  :lol:  It is surprising how painful it is.  ::)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 03, 2009, 07:42:42 PM
I know lol

Any help with the flea in her right leg ? Its really irritating her :(

I think she got it when she was in the farm because I've been noticing it since the time she came
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Ninasmum on July 03, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Did the Vet not advise you on how to treat Olive's flea?  I wouldn't be sure on how to treat her for this because she is so young.  :-\   Just another thought - could it be a Tick?  :-\
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 03, 2009, 07:53:47 PM
Its not a tick, he checked her for that properly. There was one which he got rid of. He just advised using some flea power but searching on Google has revealed so many ways of solving flea problem
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: EmmaA on July 03, 2009, 08:01:57 PM
In the UK we tend to use flea preventatives that you spot on the back of the neck but I'm not sure if you have them there or if you can use them on one so young.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Ninasmum on July 03, 2009, 08:05:15 PM
Thats the problem Emma,  I don't think you can use these products on such a young puppy.  :-\

Any experts out there on this?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: EmmaA on July 03, 2009, 08:07:20 PM
Thats the problem Emma,  I don't think you can use these products on such a young puppy.  :-\

Any experts out there on this?

I thought as much.
What about some tea tree oil? Come on experts where are you?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Rats and Dogs on July 03, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
You can get a spray that can be used on young puppies, not sure what it called though.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: cindere528 on July 03, 2009, 09:47:48 PM
I know lol

Any help with the flea in her right leg ? Its really irritating her :(

I think she got it when she was in the farm because I've been noticing it since the time she came
I'm confused about the flea. If it's a flea, it won't stay on her leg, fleas jump about all over the body. You say it's not a tick, can you give any description of what she's got on her right leg please?
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: PennyB on July 03, 2009, 11:01:54 PM
Thats the problem Emma,  I don't think you can use these products on such a young puppy.  :-\

Any experts out there on this?

you can use the flea spray on young pups though
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Helen on July 03, 2009, 11:03:58 PM
I know lol

Any help with the flea in her right leg ? Its really irritating her :(

I think she got it when she was in the farm because I've been noticing it since the time she came
I'm confused about the flea. If it's a flea, it won't stay on her leg, fleas jump about all over the body. You say it's not a tick, can you give any description of what she's got on her right leg please?


Is it flea allergy on her leg? 
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: HeatherFeather on July 04, 2009, 12:12:38 AM
If it is fleas, a pea sized amount of murphy's oil soap used as a shampoo in a bath will kill and or make adults jump off.  You do it once a week for 3 weeks and then they're gone. Our local spca (and I) do this with really young kittens, less than a kilo, who are so badly infested they risk anemia from blood loss.  Its not as risky as the chemicals.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 04, 2009, 02:59:53 AM
He said it was flea whether it was flea allergy, I'm not sure :s

Since the time she has come, we have found that she scratches and itches her back right leg a lot. Initially she wasn't even running properly with it but now she can run and walk properly but still continues itching that place. I think I'm going to take some close pics of her leg and post to see if its something else or not. My room-mate thinks that she might have some sort of deformity :'( but I don't think thats right because if it was so, she wouldn't be able to run so fast or walk properly for that matter, the doctor also said she had slight dandruff in her body.

On a good news, after getting her new bed, she no longer wakes us for peeing. We laid a lot of papers around the bed. So she just gets out by herself and pees and comes back and sleep :)

Yesterday we fed her around 12am as the doctor said and she went off to sleep around 12:40am. If she woke up in the mid-night, i have no clue but she was up and asking for our attention around 6:30am today.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: annG on July 06, 2009, 01:19:13 AM
yes the vet will put you right...first pup and all.
wish you luck. keep us posted.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: claire_cockerlover on July 06, 2009, 02:58:13 PM
just seen this thread. I'm sorry she came from such a poor breeder but hopefully now she will have a brilliant upbringing. Poor little mite. She looks so tiny in her bed! Shes gorgeous though  :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 08, 2009, 07:46:22 PM
Hey Guys!
Decided to update this thread :)

Olive got her first vaccination and doctor has started her on multi-vitamins and calcium tonic which we have to give her twice a day. The Vet also helped me get all her papers. We are keeping a complete medical record of her. She has grown a bit big. The food has made a difference and she remains a lot more active these days. She still sleeps a lot but that is alright i guess since she is just 6 weeks old.  We are still continuing feeding her 4 times a day. Her next vaccination shot will be after 19 days. By end of August we will be done with all the vaccinations and then maybe we can take her out for a walk. Since her new bed, she hasn't been disturbing us and wakes up only by 6 AM. I think she is hungry thats why thats why we heed her around 12am.

What should i do next or what steps should i take now for her proper development ?

I have a full time helper at my place who looks after her but the thing is, she is now more fond of him than me and I'm afraid, i won't be her master :s call me insecure but the helper is just temp and I don't want him to become her master. I play with my puppy and I'm feeding her thrice a day and even cleaning her but i can't spend time during the mornings because of my college.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: annG on July 08, 2009, 09:43:24 PM
I would be asking the vet about flea treetment, as if you get it wrong can kell a little pup.
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: minimoo on July 08, 2009, 09:57:43 PM
you can spend time with her after you finish college in the afternoon and evening  ;) im a firm believer in "you get back what you put into a dog", if you are kind to her and you love her she will love you back, she is still very young, a tiny baby really so dont worry too much about your helper, just make sure you spend quality time with Olive, i hope you have managed to sort out the flea problem , just remember she is still VERY small  so be careful what you put on her , i hope you can post some more pictures soon , she looks very sweet  :luv: :blink:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 09, 2009, 02:51:14 AM
It wasn't flea, we got her checked. This time the vet checked her properly and its something with her bone not being fully developed but he said not to worry because sometimes it happens hence he started her on calcium/multi-vitamins tonic.

I will take more pics of her :)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: nextavenger on July 12, 2009, 03:48:08 PM
Two new pics of her. She will be nearly two weeks old now since we last got her :)

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5454/weby.jpg)

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6309/web1a.jpg)
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Mudmagnets on July 12, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
She is lovely, looks like she has grown too - which is very good
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: mum2milly on July 12, 2009, 06:17:32 PM
Olive is so pretty.  :luv: :luv:
I hope the leg problem is treatable. She has grown hasn't she!

Jo & Milly xx
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: amanda9586 on July 12, 2009, 10:20:55 PM
Aww Love the new pics of her - she is lovely isn't she....  :luv: :luv:

Amanda & Poppy x
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: JennyBee on July 12, 2009, 10:25:29 PM
She is really cute :luv: :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Ninasmum on July 12, 2009, 10:47:49 PM
Wow, she has grown so much in the past 2 weeks.  :D :o  The pics are lovely.  :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Han on July 13, 2009, 07:02:48 AM
aww, she's gorgeous and looks to be growing really well.  :luv:
Title: Re: New Owner
Post by: Karma on July 13, 2009, 09:41:57 AM

She seems to be coming along really well!  :luv: