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Off Topic => Photography => Topic started by: Harveypops on January 10, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
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OK, I'm thinking of selling my camera and getting the next model up. Possibly the 50d?
I'm hoping to enrpoll in some classes so would like to get a really decent camera now. Any recommentdations? Also, I vaguely remeber somone saying that if you go for the higher spec models you have to use the professional lenses. Would my 55-250mm lens be OK with a camera like the canon 50d?
Should I go for an even better model?
So many questions! :005: :005:
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OK, just wondering what's how much better is the 350d to what I've got, and how that also compares the 50d? Apart from the price of the holiday! ph34r
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You currently have the 1000D? The next model up from that is the 400D or 450D which are really good cameras, they're going to do everything you want and take pretty much any lens. I have the 50D and tbh to get the best from it I had to get the f/2.8 70-200mm L series lens which was twice the price of the camera body (more than twice at current prices), that and my f/4 24-105mm are pretty much the only lenses I use with it. My older lenses and more basic kit type lenses just aren't fast enough to get decent results from the camera; I was getting better action shots with them on my old 350D body. There's a new 500D too which could be worth looking at.
Just saw your other post, I have a 350D, they don't make them any more so you'd have to buy 2nd hand but it's a really good camera, perhaps a bit dated now compared to the newer 400 series models but it gives good results. If you look at the sticky threads I put at the top of the Photography board for portrait and action shots a fair few of the photos on them were taken with my 350D. If you were going to splurge a bit though I'd probably say go for a 400 or 450D.
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I just saw on Amazon that they were only selling used 350d >:(
I think I'm going to get the 450d as after looking at the price of just the body of the 50d and doubling that price for the lenses, I would have to wait forever and a day to have any money to afford lessons on how to use the thing! :005: :005:
Cheers Nicola.
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I've just bought a second hand Canon 400d off eBay for just over £300. It had extras too (memory cards, extra batteries, filters, remote control) In very good condition and been well looked after.
I was considering buying a new 450d but they retail at just under £500 and don't even include a memory card! :P
The LCD on the 450 is 3 inches compared to the 400s 2 and half inches and there might be a few other differences but not THAT much. :P
The saving I have made I will put towards a good lens.
It depends if you feel happy buying second hand but you can get a bargain :D
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Ooh, cheers for that Vixen. I've got a good camera shop near me so I'm going to run some prices past him and see if he can compete!! ;)
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I use a 400d and reckon I still have more to learn about it and taking photo's - I'd say learn as much about the camera you have (or the next one up) before embarking on a 50d ;)
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I use a 400d and reckon I still have more to learn about it and taking photo's - I'd say learn as much about the camera you have (or the next one up) before embarking on a 50d ;)
Judging by the photographs you take, I would love to know as much as you do already ;)
That goes for Harveypops too who has posted some super photographs on here.
Both of you ( and other COLers) have inspired me to get my new camera :D
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I use a 400d and reckon I still have more to learn about it and taking photo's - I'd say learn as much about the camera you have (or the next one up) before embarking on a 50d ;)
Judging by the photographs you take, I would love to know as much as you do already ;)
That goes for Harveypops too who has posted some super photographs on here.
Both of you ( and other COLers) have inspired me to get my new camera :D
That's a lovely thing to say :luv: I hope you enjoy your camera as much as I do mine! :D
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I have the 50D and tbh to get the best from it I had to get the f/2.8 70-200mm L series lens which was twice the price of the camera body (more than twice at current prices), that and my f/4 24-105mm are pretty much the only lenses I use with it. My older lenses and more basic kit type lenses just aren't fast enough to get decent results from the camera; I was getting better action shots with them on my old 350D body. There's a new 500D too which could be worth looking at.
From what you've seen Nic, do you think that the 500D and the older lens would give a good match? Or do you think you'd still need a better lens as well to get the best results :-\
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Jenny - better lens all the way ;)
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Jenny - better lens all the way ;)
Might have to wait a while before I upgrade camera body then, or upgrade the lens sometime and leave un-subtle hints about new camera later in year ;)
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Jenny - better lens all the way ;)
This is what photography tutor said as well, always spend on lens before camera body especially as the bodies are so often upgraded...
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Yep definitely better lens every time. I may well upgrade my 50D at some point in the next year or so but that 70-200mm lens will last me for life (it'll have to :lol2:). A camera really is only as good as the glass you put in front of it.
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You need to have a play around with my 450 with the L lens attached. Harvey, Bayliss and Desmo running around should give you an idea of quick your trigger finger and panning are lol
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A question you need to ask yourself, is what does your current camera not do, that you want to do .....
often people upgrade the camera body and keep the kit lens on it etc, there is so much more to be had by putting a good lens infront of an older camera
I use both a Canon 5d and a 350d, and in good light the 350 is a very good camera, put a decent lens on it and its an awesome camera (the 350d is much older than the 1000d)
I invested in lenses, you dont need to spend a fortune to get a good difference, however the more you spend, the better the lens in a lot of cases, however something like the 50mm F1.8 is very cheap and can get some great effects
before you spend, thing what can you not do now ... or what do you want to do better, then work to resolve that, if the answer is a new camera body, go for it :), if its a new lens ... go for it ;)
Cheers
Phil
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Thanks for the advice everyone!!
I think I'm going to keep my camera and look to getting a better lens. I really struggle to get multiple dogs in focus on an action shot. What am I doing wrong?? :dunno:
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the depth of field (how much is in focus) is controlled by the aperture of your lens/camera, the bigger the number, the more is in focus
for example, if you set your camera to Ap (aperture priority) you can then change a number on the screen, make the number realy small F3.5 for example and take a pic of something fairly close with some stuff in the background at a distance, you will find the item in the forground that you focused on sharp and the background blurred / diffused
then set the number to a large number F20 for example and do the same photography, you will then see that the background is sharper too
the downside of this, is you will prob find the shutter speed was much slower when you took the 2nd pic ... so if your taking a pic of a moving dog for example, that makes it realy hard
its a balancing act to be fair .... you can up your iso (sensitivity to light) to make the shutter faster, the downside of this is a more noisy image (noticeable noise starts at 800 iso)
the other thing to bear in mind, is if the 2 dogs are the same sort of distance from the camera (eg chaising each other) it allows you to have a shallower depth of field and keep both dogs in focus
best thing to do ... is have a play, both in Ap (aperture priority) to understand how to get the right depth of field, and also in Tv (shutter (or time) priority), this allows you to control the shutter speed so you dont get a blurred dog, and let the camera balance the light by adjusting the aperture
if you get the hang of both of these, then you can play in manual mode :shades:
sorry if thats a bit techy
let me know if it is and I will try to explain a different way
Phil
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Thanks Phil! That does make sense-not too techy! I just need a 2nd dog now to practice ;) I've been really strugglin to get multiple dogs pics at the cocker meets in focus.
Have you ever thought about running photogrpahy classes Phil? :shades:
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Hi
Never thought about running classes, might be an option at some point, you never know :005:
Im glad it made some sense :D
Cheers
Phil
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Hi
Never thought about running classes, might be an option at some point, you never know :005:
Im glad it made some sense :D
Cheers
Phil
I think you'd be brilliant! You've always got really good advice which is easy to understand! :D