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Cocker Specific Discussion => Health => Topic started by: Jeanette on February 03, 2010, 10:31:20 AM
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Hi, I'm work and expecting a call back from the vet to book Indie in. Basically I forgot her Booster a month ago and have rung to get her booked in, they have said she can't have the booster now because its just over a month and needs to start again with the 2 vacs 3 weeks apart like she had when she was a puppy.
Is this right? Just over a month doesn't seem long to me. Any answers appreciated, before they call me back to book her in.
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I was 3 months late with Glens and my vets told me that it was fine I had 3 years to get it done before we would have had to starts again...A month is ridiculous.
Is it her yearly booster? If so then I think they are wrong and I would question them
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I disagree with that - to me that would be over vaccinating >:( I'm guessing you spoke to a vet nurse - could you speak to a vet?
You could get her titre tested instead (although as Jarv will tell you blood from the jugular is not a nice thing ph34r :shades:)
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This was a new vets I was going to try and she told me she could get parvo the lot for me missing it. :'( Just rang my old vet and she said just over a month as well BUT has booked me in for a booster this afternoon and she said she'll leave it upto the vet to decide if she needs a full set again. Can't believe I missed it :-\
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I disagree with that - to me that would be over vaccinating >:( I'm guessing you spoke to a vet nurse - could you speak to a vet?
You could get her titre tested instead (although as Jarv will tell you blood from the jugular is not a nice thing ph34r :shades:)
I'll ask about that but I know its not something offered to me before. Maybe they're just quick to jab.
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honestly Jeanette - please don't worry. One of the reasons that they recommend yearly boostering is because they didn't want to keep the lab dogs (cost ::) ) longer for a year so they don't actually know for sure how long the immunity lasts.
Jarvis has not been boostered since he was a year old ph34r
I'm surprised that Indie is not on the 3 year vac's cycle anyway - Lepto is boostered annually but the rest are on a 3 year cycle :dunno: (check that one out too ;) )
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Helen
Just so I have my facts straight - what is a booster i.e. which out of the vaccines does it boost
surely if its the only one then thats the only jab she'd need.
Its confusing - guess thats the intention.
I don't want her being pumped full of stuff if she doesn't need it. Off to google boosters now so I can pretend to know what I am talking about this afternoon :005:
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depends on what she's had before - a lot of vet's are using Nobivac DHPPi which covers canine distemper, infectious hepatitis, parvovirus disease and parainfluenza virus. This is a 3 year booster so the only one they will annually boost is for Lepto, and then the others in one shot on a 3 yearly cycle.
If she's not on this scheme than see if she can be ;)
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depends on what she's had before - a lot of vet's are using Nobivac DHPPi which covers canine distemper, infectious hepatitis, parvovirus disease and parainfluenza virus. This is a 3 year booster so the only one they will annually boost is for Lepto, and then the others in one shot on a 3 yearly cycle.
If she's not on this scheme than see if she can be ;)
Thanks, will look at her card and the stickers when I get home to see if that gives me a clue to whats she on and will definitely ask them. I think they're pushing the 2 vaccines on me because its more money for them >:(
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floyd was due to get his boosters last oct but when emily came along we totally forgot then christmas came new year so he didnt get them till january and the vet said that was fine
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Mine are also on the Nobivac 3 year cycle, I can't see how missing a booster by just a month means that Indie needs to start again with a full course of puppy injections. Rodaidh missed his year one booster (the only one I do after a year) as he had his knee operation at the time it was due so he got it about 2-3 months late and the vet was fine with giving it and Ro was fine afterwards, that was 2 years ago now and he hasn't had another booster since (except lepto) as it's not due until next year (he has been titre tested though).
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We were told if it was their FIRST booster and had missed it, then yes the whole course would have to be started again, my vet only gives boosters every 2 years, so can't see why they would want to do the whole course again if it's only 1 month late......sounds like more money for them to me rather than what is important for the dog.
Just tell them you only want the booster
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Nobivac sounds very familiar to me - if so why was that silly nurse saying my dog could get parvo - oh they make me cross
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We were told if it was their FIRST booster and had missed it, then yes the whole course would have to be started again, my vet only gives boosters every 2 years, so can't see why they would want to do the whole course again if it's only 1 month late......sounds like more money for them to me rather than what is important for the dog.
Just tell them you only want the booster
I'm going to question the vet - the nurse at my old vets which is where I'm going to take her said she would leave it up to him so he'll get the third degree about what he is actually giving to my dog.
Thanks all - straight off to the vets after work so this has been very useful :D
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I'll be interested to hear what they say too, I was late with Dave's first year booster and he had to be done again - although for the life of me, I can't remember how late we were - I think it was about 3 months :-\
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My vet says that he allows 15 months between boosters before any need to start all over again.
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You can go 3 months late with a booster before having to restart and every rep (not just Nobivac) said the same thing. Think whoever you spoke to was being a tad over cautious :005:
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you wouldn't 'have' to re-start the booster process - although this is what the drug companies would love you to do. I don't understand why vets can't get it into their brains that you can titre test for antibody levels (apart from lepto and the claims are with lepto that it actually offers little immunity over 6 months and the recommendation for full cover is to have it done every 6 months ::) ). There are other labs now that will test the blood, not just Glasgow and it is actually a simple procedure.
The drug companies make it very difficult not to booster (and often over vaccinate) as they make any other information hard to find and individual boosters are rare :-\
Jarv was titre tested last Friday, his results will be back this week.
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The drug companies make it very difficult not to booster (and often over vaccinate) as they make any other information hard to find and individual boosters are rare :-\
Completely agree with you. A few years back, I did look into titre testing my lot but the thing that stopped me going down that road was the fact that (at that time anyways), you could only buy the single vaccines in packs of 20 and neither of the other 2 practices in the city used single vaccines either or I could have just bought some from them.
I decided to switch mine to Nobivac and follow the 3 year program and this thread has made me realise I've missed their boosters ph34r Whoops!
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Just to clarify, when do they have their yearly boosters?? Is it a year after their last jab , therefore in Belle case she would be due between 14 and 15 mths or is it when they are 12 mths old, I assumed it was when they turned 12 mths but now am a little confused ph34r :005:
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It's 12 months after the last jab !
But I always understood it could be up to 15 months so I'm surprised Jeanette is being advised that they need to start the course again :huh: I would query that with the vet ;)
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Well just been and the vet said yes she can have just the booster because its only been 6 weeks. Great I thought, she gave the jab and then I asked her why she was sticking two stickers on Indie's vac card and hadn't she just boostered her for Lepto which is what I thought when I asked her if she was just giving her a booster, the answer was no shes had everything again because its her first booster and she needs it all. I told her if she looked at the card she would see that Indie's first booster was last year and that this wasn't her first booster ::) >:(
I then said so you've injected all that in her and she didn't need it to which she replied the vaccine they use has to be given every year anyway. I asked her if she thought that it was too much vaccination and she replied better to be vaccinated than not :-\
I need to change vets, every time I come away disappointed.
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Well just been and the vet said yes she can have just the booster because its only been 6 weeks. Great I thought, she gave the jab and then I asked her why she was sticking two stickers on Indie's vac card and hadn't she just boostered her for Lepto which is what I thought when I asked her if she was just giving her a booster, the answer was no shes had everything again because its her first booster and she needs it all. I told her if she looked at the card she would see that Indie's first booster was last year and that this wasn't her first booster ::) >:(
I then said so you've injected all that in her and she didn't need it to which she replied the vaccine they use has to be given every year anyway. I asked her if she thought that it was too much vaccination and she replied better to be vaccinated than not :-\
I need to change vets, every time I come away disappointed.
What an ******** vet >:( It does sound like its time to find a new vet. :-\ I feel really annoyed for you >:D It could almost appear that 'your money is better in her pocket than yours' and in reality she doesn't seem to care about the long term health of Indie. :shades:
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Well just been and the vet said yes she can have just the booster because its only been 6 weeks. Great I thought, she gave the jab and then I asked her why she was sticking two stickers on Indie's vac card and hadn't she just boostered her for Lepto which is what I thought when I asked her if she was just giving her a booster, the answer was no shes had everything again because its her first booster and she needs it all. I told her if she looked at the card she would see that Indie's first booster was last year and that this wasn't her first booster ::) >:(
I then said so you've injected all that in her and she didn't need it to which she replied the vaccine they use has to be given every year anyway. I asked her if she thought that it was too much vaccination and she replied better to be vaccinated than not :-\
I need to change vets, every time I come away disappointed.
What an ******** vet >:( It does sound like its time to find a new vet. :-\ I feel really annoyed for you >:D It could almost appear that 'your money is better in her pocket than yours' and in reality she doesn't seem to care about the long term health of Indie. :shades:
Yes I am seriously annoyed - £46 not needed to be spent >:D
ETA it wasn't the cost that annoyed me - it reads like that above - its the fact they give everything to boost their profits.
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What an ******** vet >:( It does sound like its time to find a new vet. :-\ I feel really annoyed for you >:D It could almost appear that 'your money is better in her pocket than yours' and in reality she doesn't seem to care about the long term health of Indie. :shades:
I totally agree, better to be covered by vaccination yes but not overvaccinated! I can't believe the vet went ahead and gave Indie a full course of boosters when that's not what you asked for, I'm really angry for you as well >:D
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This happened to us with Bailey I forgot her booster in June as we were moving it was November when I checked her docks and contacted my vet. They told me we had to start again with the 2 jabs 3 weeks apart. I did question it but gave in :-\ We paid over £50 >:D
Makes me cross as we have 6 dogs all under the same vet and they wouldn't even give me a reduction in cost :huh: they said they sent out a reminder but they didn't, still my fault I suppose for not checking.
my vet has a lovely sports car >:D
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Thing is I went back to the old vets and this happened, the new vets which I was going to register her with had the nurse who said she would need the 2 sets again as I'd risked her health to parvo, so I give up - think they're all the same to be honest.
Will google and see if there any other vets about and keep my old one as an emergency visit one as its only across the road.
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they make it very hard to actually do anything except the 'norm'.... I just had to stand my ground (going red in the face) and explain to them what a Titre test was at my old vets - the new one is fine - they are a little 'pushy' about vacs but when I asked for a Titre test they just booked me in (although Jarv didn't enjoy the blood taking one bit) ph34r
Remains to be seen what happens when I get his levels back :shades:
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Ours have a full booster, then a mini booster (if I remember rightly, full at 1yr, then mini until they're 4yrs).
Tom gave Katie a single dose booster when we got her aged 18mths - she'd had the puppy course when she was ickle, but nothing else until we took her.
He's fine if they're a few months late too, as it lasts longer than 12mths anyway (so I was told).
Jeanette, not sure where you live but if you're near Poole or Bournemouth, I cannot recommend my vet, Tom, highly enough.
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Just to clarify, when do they have their yearly boosters?? Is it a year after their last jab , therefore in Belle case she would be due between 14 and 15 mths or is it when they are 12 mths old, I assumed it was when they turned 12 mths but now am a little confused ph34r :005:
Not sure if I am right in this, but - assuming they are 8 weeks (that or thereabout) I take mine for the first of their first set of jabs about a week after I bring them home.
Then I take them for a booster a year after the anniversary of their 2nd jab (give or take a week or 2 depending on finances). So If their last full course jab was done in Feb 09, I would take them for the booster in Feb 2010
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Janette.
I'd find a vet who you are happy with, one who will put Indies health and wellbeing first and who you feel you can trust ,and discuss all of your concerns with them before her next booster is due.
There is a whole lot of "stuff" out there about over/under vaccinating that it's incredibly difficult to separate the fact from the fiction and to understand exactly whats what. Discussing it all with a vet who you are happy with is the best option IMO.
I personally don't believe that all ,or even the majority, of vets are out to boost their profits at the expense of our pets. I think you've just been unlucky.
I trust Billy's vet 100% . I do question him, lots! :lol2: but he's extremely knowledgable, keen, and always has an answer to my questions and never " skirts" over stuff. At the end of the day they way I see it is that HE is the expert ,not me :blink:
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Thats easier said than done - everyone round here goes to the local vets where she has just had her jab and her awful spay incident so not going to get any recommendations for other vets. You're right I don't feel confident with them at all and I know I need to find someone who I trust.
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Thats easier said than done - everyone round here goes to the local vets where she has just had her jab and her awful spay incident so not going to get any recommendations for other vets. You're right I don't feel confident with them at all and I know I need to find someone who I trust.
oh heck :-\
Hope you sort someting out :blink: