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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: mikeyg on May 06, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
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Don't know much about this, but a breeder we are in contact with over her pups has lost 4 of her 6 pups due to this.
Is there any possible medical issues that could arise with the surviving 2?
Can anyone help with some more info on this?
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How old are the other 2 surviving puppies now?
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they are 11 days old and seem to be doing well as chubby lol
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Wow, 4 out of 6 is a lot :'( There are obviously some problems there. While the term "fading puppy" is a common one, it covers a whole range of issues. Puppies don't just die, there is a reason for it and without knowing the reason one cannot make a judgement on whether the survivors will be affected. The breeder needs to see a vet to determine why she/he lost so many and whether the dam and/or puppies need treatment also.
http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/fading.html
http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/vetmed/data/articlestandard//vetmed/462005/197291/article.pdf
http://kiokeemastiffscom.blogspot.com/2007/11/fading-puppy-syndrome-canine-viral.html
http://www.samoyedhealthfoundation.org/diseases/fading-puppy-syndrome
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I lost 2 out 4 pups recently,and last year i lost 2 out of 8,i know someone who has lost 4 out of 6.The first hours are crucial to a new born and if you dont get them to latch on to mum straight away,they can easily fade away.
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The 2 remaining pups have been to the vet to be checked out, and they have said that the others had a viral bug i think, and they have put these 2 on anti biotics as a precautionary measure.
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The 2 remaining pups have been to the vet to be checked out, and they have said that the others had a viral bug i think, and they have put these 2 on anti biotics as a precautionary measure.
Surely if its a viral bug that the pups have had then antibiotics won't help :huh: Antibiotics are used against bacterial infections.
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It can be caused by a streptococcal infection, maybe the vet just chose the wrong words saying viral instead of bacterial.
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I have double checked and i got it wrong,it was a bacterial infection. Im taking it as long as the remaining pups are ok through this, they shouldnt have any further edical issues further down the line?
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"Fading puppy syndrome" is a very broad term; a lot of the time though, FPS is herpes. There are vaccinations you can get to protect the bitch; you get the first around two weeks before mating, and the second around two weeks before whelping. A lot of bitches do have the herpes virus as a matter of course, they can pick it up anywhere, and they are particularly at risk if they are pets, rather than kennel dogs, as they will be exposed to so much more in the environment. The virus does nothing to the bitch, it is only when she is in whelp that it can cause a problem. Usually herpes puppies are fine when they are born, but deteriorate rapidly and die within 3 days :'(
It could be that the pups that died had herpes, and the survivors have a different infection :huh: or it might not be herpes. It's impossible to say whether or not the puppies will have any long lasting medical problems. Some pups have very difficult starts and it all clears up by the time they're ready to go to new homes and you'd never notice a difference between the others ... some can be a bit "poor".
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Many thanks for the replies, as it now turns out we are not getting from this litter now, as they have lost another pup and it only leaves the one left. We would be reluctant to take and anyhow the breeder will not sell now just incase there are any future problems.
Such a shame and the breeder has been fantastic, regularly updating on what is happening and keeping us informed.
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How awful for the breeder, losing yet another pup. I know someone myself who ended up losing the whole litter of 6 pups one after the other within a few weeks.
For you, I hope you find your pup soon.
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Many thanks, it is so sad for the breeder. My wife has been dealing with her and she was such a nice lady.So sad.
My hunt continues and hopefully i will find one very soon!Maybe even going to view one this weekend
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It is very difficult to find out the reasons why a pup or an entire litter die. There are not a lot of recognized causes as there are not many researches in breeding medicine.
If the last pup survives, there won't be any reason for him to have more health problem than any pup ;)