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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: LynneB on April 07, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
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My boy is 17 months old, unproven, he has a phenomenal pedigree and I have tried to use him at stud. I will say that he is fully health tested and is PRA and FN clear and I do check potential mates. Unfortunately he seems very disinterested in "strange" girls who are ready for mating.
He does show a healthy interest in my girls (Bichons who I do not want him to mate) ( I do not do "designer"dogs)
Help!!!!!!
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Is it possible that the girls just aren't quite ready when they are presented to him and he senses this? Do you check yourself if the girls are ready? Do you stay with them and try to help things along?
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I got the same problem with my young dog 23mths old, he not intrested in other girls, but when his mother in season he cried the house down,
Ran him with a bitch in full season for 3 days nothing, I ended up using is Uncle, will try him again.
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Thank you for your comment, the girl was taken straight form my boy to another stud dog and they were tied within minutes. He is very much a "mummies boy" and I have tried being there and removing myself from the area but nothing works. :'(
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yeh mine is aswell
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I've never used a dog of mine at stud, but I can think of a few extremely top winning dog's that just aren't keen on passing on their genes. ;) :dunno:
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I've never used a dog of mine at stud, but I can think of a few extremely top winning dog's that just aren't keen on passing on their genes. ;) :dunno:
Very true!
Some boys do take a lot longer than others to get the idea - it helps if they will let you or an experienced stud handler "assist" them but sometimes it's just a case of being very patient and hoping one day it all clicks in place.
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I've never used a dog of mine at stud, but I can think of a few extremely top winning dog's that just aren't keen on passing on their genes. ;) :dunno:
Very true!
Some boys do take a lot longer than others to get the idea - it helps if they will let you or an experienced stud handler "assist" them but sometimes it's just a case of being very patient and hoping one day it all clicks in place.
He has got the idea as he has been VERY interested in my Bichon girl who is on day 7 at the moment. He is just not interested in "strangers"
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He has got the idea as he has been VERY interested in my Bichon girl who is on day 7 at the moment. He is just not interested in "strangers"
Yes that's what I meant - most dogs will be interested in the bitches they know and live with, it's "outside" dogs that can take time. Inexperienced dogs can be intimidated by bitches they don't know. There is no easy solution but if you can find an experienced stud handler, that might be your best bet.
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I know nothing about stud dogs etc but have recently been researching Breeding etc & read Zinc supplements can help, or stud dog formula target from fit and fertile. May be worth googling!
Good luck!
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Awww I hope he doesn't read COL, mind you saying that about 15 years ago we bought a dog and bitch hoping to get them mated, but he NEVER showed any signs of interest in my girl or any other girl that was in season, so we came to the conclusion he just didn't like girls ;)
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A lady i know tried to get her stunning show boy to mate for many years & eventually when he was almost 8 years old he pleasantly surprised them :shades: ;) He was obviously a very late starter! :005:
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Going to try my boy again today :-\ The girl is going to stay with us for a couple of days so that may help. 2 of my Bichons are now in season and he spent yesterday with his nose to the ground and marking everywhere, could be a good sign :huh:
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Paws crossed for you, regards Louise
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Interesting thread, will be keen to know how it ends.
Eve
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I know of someone who moved on their "stud" dog because he wasn't interested and a few years later suddenley realised what it was about with his new owner when she let her guard down with her just finishing season bitch = litter of lovely but not planned pups!
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My boy is loved far too much to be "moved on" I think, as he is orange roan, he has the orange "thick gene".
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My boy is loved far too much to be "moved on" I think, as he is orange roan, he has the orange "thick gene".
I have a orange roan who doesn't have the full set of brain sometimes!
Please don't think I was suggesting moving him on, just this was another example of a late starter who obviously liked to get to know his lady friends well before taking the next step ;)
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My Dylan was 20 months before siring his first litter, not that we had tried before, but he was a natural, I know some boys are supposed to mature later than girls, maybe it's the same with some dogs :005:
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Well no luck yesterday. Today he is frantic to get to my bichon girl but will not look at the spaniel. >:D
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Sorry I've got a bit lost on this thread, I thought you said the bitch went to another stud and got a mating? Maybe I'm not reading it right, which wouldn't surprise me :005:
Have you had experience with stud dogs before? Dylan is my first boy (other than the gay boy who went to live with my mother in law) :005:, we took him to my mentor for his first mating, they were tied in a couple of minutes and he's been really good ever since, but still needs my assistance most of the time.
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Sorry I've got a bit lost on this thread, I thought you said the bitch went to another stud and got a mating? Maybe I'm not reading it right, which wouldn't surprise me :005:
Have you had experience with stud dogs before? Dylan is my first boy (other than the gay boy who went to live with my mother in law) :005:, we took him to my mentor for his first mating, they were tied in a couple of minutes and he's been really good ever since, but still needs my assistance most of the time.
This was another bitch from the same breeder. Same thing happened, or didn't happen. He was desperate to get to my bichon girl but would not even look at the visitor even though she had been here overnight. Once again she went to another stud and mated straight away. How frustrating is this??
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Has he ever been told off for humping, it might have put him off.
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Is he used to you, ummm.....'handling' him? :021:
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Has he ever been told off for humping, it might have put him off.
I have never told him off for "humping" in fact I have encouraged him when he has tried during play.
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Is he used to you, ummm.....'handling' him? :021:
Yes he is used to me touching him as I know of a breeder who uses this technique so I have made sure he is used to me. Not much good though when the interest is'nt there.
I am going to run him with a friends bitches over the next couple of weeks as it is only visitors that he has no interest in. He is still after the bichons........
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Is he interested in your Bichons when they are at their peek or just any time during their seasons? Who said dog breeding was easy >:D
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My boy is 2, he is very intrested in his mother when she is at her peak, but the 2 ladies he has had to mate he isn't, been told its because his uncle is top dog in the house, think the only way i'm going to get him intrested is too buy a bitch in, & let them become buds
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Ooh this all makes me feel really squeamish :embarassed:
Am glad my girlies are "sorted" and won't be doing it with the boys :lol2:
xxx.
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Is he interested in your Bichons when they are at their peek or just any time during their seasons? Who said dog breeding was easy >:D
He was frantic for Lottie when she was on day 7, she was not ready till day 12, this obsession carried on until day 20.
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My boy is 2, he is very intrested in his mother when she is at her peak, but the 2 ladies he has had to mate he isn't, been told its because his uncle is top dog in the house, think the only way i'm going to get him intrested is too buy a bitch in, & let them become buds
My bichon boy is quite dominant but Zen tried it on with the bichon girls when he was nearby so I don't think it is a dominance thing....... Losing the will to live ph34r
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My two boys both tried it on with my bitch, I'm loosing all hope as well got a gay dog, think he loves me too much aswell, what has Monica said
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Went back to the breeder who has suggested that I mate him to my own girl first and then he should be ok. :banana: She is speaking from experience. I will update in July
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My Dylans first bitch was my own girl Callie and they were both maidens, but luckily he didn't hesitate, hope all goes well.
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Thanks for all your interest a good wishes :bigarmhug:
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Went back to the breeder who has suggested that I mate him to my own girl first and then he should be ok. :banana: She is speaking from experience. I will update in July
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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Oh well here we go again, another girl brought to him and once again....no interest, not even a sniff. Phoebe was more interested than him. :o
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Oh dear, hope your bitch soon comes in, I can't use my boy on anything I got here
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Going to the vets tomorrow. Googled the problem, he may have a thyroid problem, if it fixable then great, if not he's dog food....(joke)
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What makes you think it may be a thyroid problem?
We had a boy quite a few years back, bought hopefully to use on my girls, but would he mate them or any other bitch? Not a chance, we took him to a well known breeder/judge who had had many years experience with stud dogs, even she couldn't get him to mate, checked over by our vet, complete clean bill of health, so he was either gay or just not 'bovvered' :005: we had him neutered and he went to live with my mother-in-law by the seaside.
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What makes you think it may be a thyroid problem?
Googled the problem and it was one of the suggestions as well as "give him a glass of wine and a cigarette" prats.........
Spoke to the vet this morning, he is going for a blood test later today, vet says it's possible.
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:
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got some vigara to give him :005:
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:
I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:
I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.
He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:
I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.
He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
That's great to hear, it is so rare that vets do comprehensive tests eventhough it's the only thing that will diagnose hypothyrodism accurately. :D
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Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?
I am personally interested as Flo is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition :-\
Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:
I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.
He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
That's great to hear, it is so rare that vets do comprehensive tests eventhough it's the only thing that will diagnose hypothyrodism accurately. :D
My vet knows better than to cut corners with my dogs. All my dogs have been fully health tested they are AA and have clear eye certs.
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My vet knows better than to cut corners with my dogs. All my dogs have been fully health tested they are AA and have clear eye certs.
It's not so much about cutting corners, it's more the fact that a lot of vets actually don't know how to test thyroid properly (and then to interpret it properly)! I rarely come across vets that do a comprehensive test (which is the only test that can diagnose it accurately), so it's a breath of fresh air to come across a vet that does... and perhaps even more importantly a breeder that does too. ;)
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hi LG-fancy seeing you here :005:
hope the tests all go well Lynne and you get some answers for your boy :)
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Hi, any results in yet? Having been in the same situation as you a few years ago with my boy showing no signs of interest in any in season bitch I'm just interested in what your vet thinks could be the problem, if there is one. We used to joke and say he was gay :005:
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Well nothing showed in the blood test, so I really do not know what to do. :o
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We used to joke and say he was gay :005:
I'm pretty sure my Dallas is :005: He's 9 in October and has never shown any interest - even with one bitch who was flaunting herself in his face :lol2:
Maybe Zen doesn't want to be a daddy - he maybe sees himself as a carefree bachelor, the George Clooney of cocker spaniels :005: I imagine it would be frustrating though if he is part of your breeding plans.
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My girls used to stand right in his face, tail flagged right over their backs, basically pushing themselves into his face, he used to just walk away :huh: We ended up having him neutered and he's still living with my mother in law, he's coming up 10 now and never showed any interest in girls or boys :shades:
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Well nothing showed in the blood test, so I really do not know what to do. :o
Sorry you didn't get a positive outcome, it's very frustrating when things don't go to plan.
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We used to joke and say he was gay :005:
I'm pretty sure my Dallas is :005: He's 9 in October and has never shown any interest - even with one bitch who was flaunting herself in his face :lol2:
Maybe Zen doesn't want to be a daddy - he maybe sees himself as a carefree bachelor, the George Clooney of cocker spaniels :005: I imagine it would be frustrating though if he is part of your breeding plans.
So frustrating :016: The cost has been enormous, buying him, flying him from Essex to Scotland, health tests (he is AA) and all this to introduce new lines and what does he do ......sod all >:D
Will wait to see what happens when Phoebe comes in season.
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Is there such a thing as doggy 'viagra'. :005:
Lynne, I know how frustrating this must be for you. In goldens we have seminars about most things including stud dogs. Do you know any well respected successful stud dog owners you can seek advice from?
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How old is your boy? Dylan was 2 when he sired his first litter, we took him to a stud dog owner who had lots of experience and she managed their first mating, 48 hours later she said to try them again and if we needed any help we were welcome to go back, luckily Dylan is a natural (bit too natural at times >:( ) he managed his second mating with me and my husband very close by.
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I have read that some dogs just have no interest and there was a dog who mated bitches but wasn't producing any sperm :-\.
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I have read that some dogs just have no interest and there was a dog who mated bitches but wasn't producing any sperm :-\.
Gee thanks............. :-\
Actually he does have live sperm, thank god :banana: so I suppose that's one thing to be thankful for
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Poor frustrated Pheobe....... :005:
Zen still not performing but is trying very hard. He seems to get fed up very quickly and gives up. I'm sure it will happen eventually, it's just a matter of time. :P
Took Phoebe to another dog yesterday and they were tied in about 30 seconds. :clapping:
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You must be dissapointed Lynne :016:
How old is Zen now?
Anyhoo I hope all goes well
for Phoebe and you hear the
pitter pat of tiny paws in due
time ;)
steffxxx
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Glad you got her mated okA few years ago,My friend was given a male dog as his breeder wanted to breed with him but he just wasnt interested.She(my friend)also had a bitch, being very,very carefull when she came into season,she was intending to have her speyed afterwards,she thought the bitch was starting to get a bit fat round the middle about 5 weeks after her season,knowing they hadnt been together(and the past history of the male)she took her to the vets only to be told SHE WAS IN PUP DUE IN ABOUT 2 WEEKS TIME!!!!!! She was in total shock.6 days later she had 6 puppys.We still laugh about the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION,as she never left them on there own and they never got together while she was in season.One of lifes little mysteries. :005:and ,no,she couldnt have got out to another male.
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I know absolutely nothing about any of this but it's a really interesting thread. I always just assumed that if you put an intact dog with an in season bitch they would just "have at it"!! I'm wondering whether the fact that your 2 girls are also in season could be distracting him? Just my musings. I'll probably get corrected! ;)
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After Phoebe was mated, Zen was VERY interested and would not leave her alone. Sod's law. O well maybe next year....
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Zen has just sired a litter of 8
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well done little man! better late than never ;)
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Wow! Thats fantastic news - it would appear that what they say about everything comes to those who wait is true then! Your hard work was not in vain -well done!
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Zen has just sired a litter of 8
:clapping: :clapping: Well done Zen (& mum too) :luv:
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Not so useless after all then - well done Zen - Who's the Daddy!!!! :005:
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Just read this thread, very interesting.
Pleased Zen has made some puppies
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;) ah not so useless after all..
Well done Zen!
steffxxx
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