Aggressive Behaviour?

[Clare B]

I remember Flo having the same behaviour at the same age, and I got a trainer in for a couple of sessions, but she reassured me that Flo was lovely and being a normal puppy, and at that age you often have to go back to basics, she even asked me for the breeders details because she had a client who wanted a cocker and she thought Flo had such a nice temperament.
Flos 20mths now and fab, she still mouths a little when she's very excited (never hurts, no pressure).

[bobcat]

how do you know  about those things is there proof they are true 

[Karma]

how do you know  about those things is there proof they are true 

If you want to champion cesar milan, why not introduce yourself properly and start (yet  another) thread on the subject in the general dog discussion area... better still, search for the previous threads first.
I find it rather suspicious that someone would join up and make 3 vague posts supporting cesar milan in a thread where it really wasn't even relevent advice, without joining in any other area of the forum, introducing themselves and any dogs they might have or actually doing anything other than try and get people to disagree with you.   

If you actually want to discuss training - welcome to the site.   

[bella15]

it is not a agressive meothod it is the behavior they use it is not cruel or agressive i am very much in favor of this and horse wisperer also whose methds i have  sucsesfully used.  She is young I would look at personal advice for her age my little bitch is increadly bossy
 

I'm sorry but I do find his methods 'aggressive' stringing dogs up by their lead and collar until they are nearly passing out, putting shock collars on dogs, alpha rolling dogs, kicking dogs, jabbing dogs. Nah I'd rather not be top dog if that's how you get there!!

Puppy's do go through a second teething stage so it may be that's why she's biting or like others have said maybe she's becoming a grown up and about to have her season. 

You have not watched his new series then??? He seems to have changed his methods

Leonardosgirl - I agree with the others this sounds like normal behavior for either second teething phase or coming into season,I to would go back to some basic training & also get her checked by your vet

[bobcat]

I have just googled him and no I didnt know anything of the new work he has done. I was talking about very basic pack leader as he has done in the past I know this training works- ok it was in another type of animal but it is natural leader work they have in built in their history. I didnt have the full picture but as I said I am talking of the basics not any cruelty

[Helen]

I have just googled him and no I didnt know anything of the new work he has done. I was talking about very basic pack leader as he has done in the past I know this training works- ok it was in another type of animal but it is natural leader work they have in built in their history. I didnt have the full picture but as I said I am talking of the basics not any cruelty

Pack or 'dominance' theory has been thoroughly discredited - it's a really out of date theory and what is worse, is damaging.    

Also on COL we do not agree with any aversive ways of training and do not champion nor recommend following these forms of so-called 'training' which are based on no more than bullying and instilling fear.   

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

[bobcat]

think this is getting a bit out if controll i am going from exrerience my horse was totally out of controll untouchable and  dangerous the ideas to train her before i got her were to tie up her leg beat. her  The horsewispering was very gentle sending her away from me the herd till she stopped the agression then letting her approch me. I have a very bossy cocker she is lovely but is very dominant I just make sure that she always knows i am the leader I always go through doors first eat first have only coming to her when I want her to ignoring her bad behavior sending her away when she is being naughty I claim areas she decides she owns none of this is cruel but behavior exibeted in a pack

[Bluebell]

think this is getting a bit out if controll i am going from exrerience my horse was totally out of controll untouchable and  dangerous the ideas to train her before i got her were to tie up her leg beat. her  The horsewispering was very gentle sending her away from me the herd till she stopped the agression then letting her approch me. I have a very bossy cocker she is lovely but is very dominant I just make sure that she always knows i am the leader I always go through doors first eat first have only coming to her when I want her to ignoring her bad behavior sending her away when she is being naughty I claim areas she decides she owns none of this is cruel but behavior exibeted in a pack

If this method works for you and you dog that is great. Personally I think it is the consistency of what you are doing that give her the boundries that  'control' her behaviour, not what you are doing 'supressing' her 'dominance'.
Please read Helens excellent link

[abkb]

Going back to the original post:

Don't worry, it all sounds 'normal', although it doesn't bloomin feel that way!  If you look through my previous posts you will see I had the same issue with my blue roan, Molly, a few weeks ago (she's now 8 months so would have been the same age as your Flora at the time).  She was doing the nipping to get my attention, sometimes really hurting me!  But we are slowly getting over that phase, and it is always when she's tired, so it's in her crate for a nap and time out.  Can you put her in a crate/on her bed when you think it's going to happen?  Try not to worry, and don't go down the Cesar Milan route!

[Leonardosgirl]

Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply to my post.  I don't get on here very often (three kids plus pup!), so was surprised just now to read that my post seems to have stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest.  I don't know who this Cesar Milan guy is; I've been raising Flora with help from the Cocker books (Jane Simmons & Derek Shapland) and The Perfect Puppy, by Gwen Bailey.  I'd recommend all three to anyone, and I wouldn't argue with any of the principles.  I'm sure there are times when Flora THINKS she's the boss, but then my one year old, three year old and seven year old THINK they are sometimes too! For the record, ALL of them mistake the matter, but pups and children will try it on.  Also, I'm happy to report that Flora has behaved impreccably since so I think she was just grouchy because of teething. 
Thanks again all,
Jayne

[Helen]

You have mighty fine taste in books!  There are lots of COL dogs in photo's in Derek Shaplands book (including my boy Jarvis), and Jane Simmonds is our very own Admin JaneS on here 

I think pup rearing shares the very same psychology principles as child taming 

[lindseyp]

You have mighty fine taste in books!  There are lots of COL dogs in photo's in Derek Shaplands book (including my boy Jarvis), and Jane Simmonds is our very own Admin JaneS on here 

I think pup rearing shares the very same psychology principles as child taming 

here, here Helen ......never a truer word said   
Sounds like you're doing just fine Jayne & can't go far wrong with the information resources you're using .......... & COL too of course 

[Leonardosgirl]

I think pup rearing shares the very same psychology principles as child taming 
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Yes indeed! Shame I can't use a crate for the kids though, although my one year old tries to get in there with Flora if we allow him!

[PennyB]

Hi, thank you. 

Perhaps I am over-reacting and making it sound worse than it is, it wouldn't be the first time! Perhaps it would be more accurate to say she mouths rather than bites.  She doesn't growl and then go for me or anything as bad as that.  Like I said, it's like she's an eight week old pup again and thinks i'm one of her litter mates. 

Spooky?  Interesting phrase!

teenage years also present similar problems to 8 week old pups - my own pup is begining to mouth now she's 6 months old - in her case she will grab my hands sometimes especially when she gets overexcited.