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Obsessive behaviour
« on: August 01, 2009, 09:16:31 PM »
Hi - as I've already posted we have Ruby our 'foster' cocker now and a week down he line I'm really pleased with the way her and Eddie get along and the way she is settling in but she has some disturbing behaviours I really want/need to get to the bottom of - she is obsessed with shadows and lights - during the day this is nit such a big issue apart from shadows although on walks she's more interested in running around with her nose to he ground than other dogs and people - but in the evenings she spends much if her time staring at anything that reflects light (for hours) if fact she is next to me now intermitently headbutting the leather sofa as there is a shiny reflection from the tv...

She's a lovely dog and I do intend to seek the professional help of a behaviourist next week but wonder if anyone has experience of this and is it something we can help her to overcome?

Aparently the kids of her last home spent ages teasing her with a torch light as a pup (she's 18 months mow) - they thought it was fun! Damage done but I am cross and sad for her as she's missing out on so much 'normal' interaction - any advice would be very welcome  :blink:

 
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 09:31:02 PM »
I have not experienced this directly, but have read that the basic way of dealing with this is to break the concentration and redirect them onto other multiple things, such as a game or a treat in another room or a walk outside. Not by telling them off, but by distraction. I have also read that giving them attention for that behaviour is likely to feed the obsession, so perhaps getting up and walking out of the room would be enough to get her away from the staring.

 I stand to be corrected on any of the above by others more in the know than me.

Flipping idiots  >:(  teasing a dog like that. I feel so angry for her poor girl  :luv:
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009, 09:42:56 PM »
Compulsive disorder is both debilitating and progressive and it should be treated as soon as possible.
Treatment should involve an alteration of the environment to reduce or remove maintaing factors, a comprehensive behavioural plan, use of medication if necessary.

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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009, 09:58:05 PM »
Thanks Mark - rest assured we are going to do all we can to help this lovely girl - I've been ignoring her when it starts and trying to engage her in alternative activity - I'm noticing it's more pronounced when puppy Eddie is asleep - which is a lot as she's tiring him out so I'm trying to ensure that their play is structured with lots of time outs - I'll start the research tomorrow and get a one to one with a behaviourist organised asap 
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2009, 10:17:43 PM »
It sounds as though playing with her yourself when Eddie is asleep will help then Tracey. Good luck.
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 10:22:54 PM »
Could you put a sheet or a throw over the sofa as a temporary measure?
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2009, 11:20:11 AM »
I've fostered a severe shadow chaser and it takes a long long time and lots of patience to try and overcome it. Distractions to break the cycle help and then motivating the dog to display more desirable behaviours is the key but easier said than done. Best of luck.

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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 06:16:39 PM »
We have a resident "shadow chaser" who arrived here displaying this behaviour aged 7 months.  She is a puppy farm cocker now aged 2 years 3 months.  We even tried another rescue for several months but the obsession remained.  No matter how good you are at finding an alternative, you will never totally remove the OCD, yes you can reduce it by covering all glass in the house, anything which shines or reflects light, mirrors, keeping the blinds lowered when the sun *should be* streaming in the window and certainly not any nice shiny flooring.  Distraction has to be with something which is of much higher interest or value, remember this poor dog is like someone with a heroin addiction they must have that "fix" at all costs, that's why we talk about not "feeding" the obsession.

You remove all sources you can, then you look for an alternative.  No one can tell you what that will be because each shadow chaser will have a different alternative.  Some love squeaky toys, agility, clicker training but I would hazard a guess that most respond to extremely high levels of exercise, a tired dog does not chase shadows!  ;) 

Some people can tolerate and live with it, others find it too distressing and they end up rehoming the dog or worse.
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 07:17:47 PM »
This breaks my heart to read  :'(

I'm sending loads of positive thoughts to Ruby  :-* :-*
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2009, 12:53:44 PM »
You remove all sources you can, then you look for an alternative.  No one can tell you what that will be because each shadow chaser will have a different alternative.  Some love squeaky toys, agility, clicker training but I would hazard a guess that most respond to extremely high levels of exercise, a tired dog does not chase shadows!  ;) 

Some people can tolerate and live with it, others find it too distressing and they end up rehoming the dog or worse.

Thank you for your email - just discovered Ruby was also a puppy farm cocker - i've been closely monitoring her all week and i do doubt we will ever get rid of this behaviour totally, like you say, but i am certain we can reduce it and live with (she will most certainly not be being rehomed again). On walks she is totally different to Eddie who wants to engage with all dogs/humans he comes across, whereas she runs round and round with her nose to the ground and ignores all externals - i'm slowly teaching her 'sit', 'down' and 'stay' and to retrieve a ball and i'm really pleased to report she is doing well with this. It's also more romantic at night (so i'm telling the OH) to sit in semi-darkness without the lamps on!!  :005:

It is early days, but i do feel she is a fraction less obsessed than when she came (just a fraction mind) and i think her play with eddie during the day, long walks and interaction with us has so far been positive for her - she actually sat with me and fell asleep on the sofa on my knee last night without once headbutting the leather - it felt like a giant step in the right direction

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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2009, 01:14:11 PM »
Thank you for your email - just discovered Ruby was also a puppy farm cocker - i've been closely monitoring her all week and i do doubt we will ever get rid of this behaviour totally, like you say, but i am certain we can reduce it and live with (she will most certainly not be being rehomed again). On walks she is totally different to Eddie who wants to engage with all dogs/humans he comes across, whereas she runs round and round with her nose to the ground and ignores all externals - i'm slowly teaching her 'sit', 'down' and 'stay' and to retrieve a ball and i'm really pleased to report she is doing well with this. It's also more romantic at night (so i'm telling the OH) to sit in semi-darkness without the lamps on!!  :005:

It is early days, but i do feel she is a fraction less obsessed than when she came (just a fraction mind) and i think her play with eddie during the day, long walks and interaction with us has so far been positive for her - she actually sat with me and fell asleep on the sofa on my knee last night without once headbutting the leather - it felt like a giant step in the right direction

WTG!  You are half way there you have the right attitude!  ;)
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2009, 05:15:59 PM »
Brilliant! :D

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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2009, 06:05:52 PM »
You remove all sources you can, then you look for an alternative.  No one can tell you what that will be because each shadow chaser will have a different alternative.  Some love squeaky toys, agility, clicker training but I would hazard a guess that most respond to extremely high levels of exercise, a tired dog does not chase shadows!  ;) 

Some people can tolerate and live with it, others find it too distressing and they end up rehoming the dog or worse.

Thank you for your email - just discovered Ruby was also a puppy farm cocker - i've been closely monitoring her all week and i do doubt we will ever get rid of this behaviour totally, like you say, but i am certain we can reduce it and live with (she will most certainly not be being rehomed again). On walks she is totally different to Eddie who wants to engage with all dogs/humans he comes across, whereas she runs round and round with her nose to the ground and ignores all externals - i'm slowly teaching her 'sit', 'down' and 'stay' and to retrieve a ball and i'm really pleased to report she is doing well with this. It's also more romantic at night (so i'm telling the OH) to sit in semi-darkness without the lamps on!!  :005:

It is early days, but i do feel she is a fraction less obsessed than when she came (just a fraction mind) and i think her play with eddie during the day, long walks and interaction with us has so far been positive for her - she actually sat with me and fell asleep on the sofa on my knee last night without once headbutting the leather - it felt like a giant step in the right direction


That's put a smile on my face  :D  Excellent  :banana: :011:
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Re: Obsessive behaviour
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2009, 09:58:18 PM »
Wow, that brought on leaky eyes, with a Mum to love her like you, this little Lady is gonna be one of the lucky ones, hoping she goes from strength to strength  :luv: :luv:

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