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Offline tinstaafl

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Potential owner questions
« on: February 17, 2007, 05:22:25 PM »
Hi,

Apologies for what is likely to be a long first post!

We've not considered owning a dog before as we both work full-time and it never occurred to us that we might be able to change our lifestyles to suit. Also, until she recently passed away, we had a (large) houserabbit living in one of our bedrooms! We're now wondering if, with a few small changes, we might make good dog-owners.

As I stated above, we both work full-time. However, we both start work late and could easily fit a good walk and some playtime in before leaving. I can easily return home at lunchtime for a brisk walk and to offer some company and food. In addition, my sister loves dogs but cannot have one of her own as she lives in a flat. Until recently she would walk my parent's dog several times a week - their dog is now too elderly - and she'd jump at the chance to walk our dog 2-3 times a week. I know this because I've already asked, btw. It's likely my retired parents would also be more than happy to pop in for a couple of hours an afternoon every week.

Finally, on those days when a long afternoon would pass without a visit from my sister, or another dog-walker, I can get off work very early. Both of us have flexible employers and I could certainly arrange to work from home at least an afternoon a week without any trouble (my boss is a dog-lover which helps!)

We don't go on holiday as we own a boat and spend all our holiday entitlement using that. The boat is large enough to comfortably take a dog as well as us and the area in which we boat has plenty of running and safe swimming opportunities! It is VERY rare for us to go anywhere in the evenings or weekends and between the two of us a dog would get as much attention as it wanted during these times.

In around two years time I will be stopping work and setting up a business which will require me to spend at least half the working week at home. If and when the business takes off to the point where I cannot spend as much time at home, my partner will likely start working part-time and hence be at home when I am not. Obviously, if we are to get a dog I'd like to get the business of house-training, etc, completed before all this happens as I need to spend at least SOME time developing my business!

We have a large garden that with some repairs would be dog-proof. I have a good understanding of what is required to make the garden secure as I grew up with a springer who was hell-bent on escaping :)

So to summarise, a dog in our family would be left a maximum of 3.5 hours in the morning, usually less, and no more than 4 hours in the afternoon maybe once or twice a week at the most. He/she would get 3 walks a day in the week and good long walks (and possibly swimming) at the weekend. Given this information, do you think we can offer a cocker a good home and will we have difficulty in convincing a breeder that we'll make good owners?

Personally, I am happy that a fully-grown cocker would have a great life with us but I'm worried that leaving a puppy alone might hinder his development. I wouldn't normally consider a rescue dog as I don't believe we have the experience to deal with the likely behavioural problems that normally accompany them - I grew up with one of those too.

I've read through a great deal of info on the net and also the Collins guide to Cocker Spaniels so I'm well-aware of what I'm letting myself in for but as always, guidance from owners and more experienced people is worth far more than any other info...

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Simon


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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2007, 05:53:44 PM »
Hi

We asked those very same questions 4 years ago!!!  I had lots of differing advice all from knowledgable people - but I can only tell you what has worked for us.
we debated puppy vs older dog because of being left and decided a puppy would never know anything else and would adapt to our lifestyle (others might think an older dog is better??)

we decided to get up early which was hard - but I wanted a puppy sooooo much, so that Ben had quality time in the morning.
our shedule worked something lke this:
6.15 - up to play with Ben
7.15 - short walk/carry to the park to meet other dogs and socialise this extended to about 50 mins over the first 18mths as he could walk further
by 8.45 I left the house leaving Ben in his crate with a puppy cong
home 12.30 about 50 mins play, short walks, training etc
back in crate
In the afternoons about 3 times a week a neighbour would come and take Ben to her house the other 2 afternoons he stayed in his crate with toys/treats
I got home about 5pm.
Evenings were the real play times and about 8pm till 10.00 pm was Ben time, i don't think for the first year we got to watch a tv program all the way through!

We decided that because we work and he was on his own in the day we would never go out evenings or weekends if we couldn't take Ben, and in 4 years we have never been any where without him its just become a habit - we only go to dog friendly pubs/resteraunts , never go shopping together and only visit people where Ben is welcome too. some people might think this is extreme, but we chose Ben and feel responsible for spending as much time as poss with him.

As he got older and had the run of the house, we had a variety of treat troys and games where we hid food for him to find that kept him busy for hours. Plus did lots of trainig and agility etc at night to keep him busy.

All I can say is its worked for us, in the last few months my husband has been redundant and is at home a lot, he will probably only look for part time work now so Ben will never be on his own for such a long time again, but for the first 3 & half years of his life he was a home alone dog and i don't think he has suffered for it - it just took a bit of effort and creative planning.

Good luck I'm sure you will do just fine

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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2007, 06:04:16 PM »
It sounds like you've really thought things through which is great and I think it sounds like you'd be great cocker owners! I also work full time and I have two very active working cockers, I walk them first thing in the morning before work then I have a dog walker who comes at lunchtime and takes them out for 2-3 hours and then I take them out again after work and we do some training and working practice. Weekends it's all about them, we play at home, chill out, train and go for very long walks. I don't go out on weeknights either as I won't leave them after being at work all day but I don't mind this at all, I'd rather be with them anyway! :lol:  This works really well for us, they know our routine and are happy and content. I leave them treat boxes, treat balls and stuffed kongs to play with for the mornings before the dog walker arrives and they have access to my very secure back garden via a dog flap as well.

An older dog would probably be easier than a puppy and please don't discount rescue dogs - my Tilly is a rescue and she is wonderful, I have had absolutely NO problems with her at all. She is fully trained and I even had her out beating on a shoot just 6 weeks after bringing her home, she is a joy to have around. Her previous owners loved her and trained her extremely well but their working hours changed and they had to give her up because of this, not because she had any 'issues' and there are plenty of other rescue dogs out there in the same boat.

Good luck making your decision!  :D
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2007, 06:26:59 PM »
I think your circumstances sound ideal for a dog; I too favour rescue dogs (some are in rescue through no fault of their own at all) but we did successfully raise our current dog from a  puppy in a full-time working household, with the assistance of paid dog-walkers and a superb flexi-time policy  ;)

I did struggle to find a breeder who was prepared to consider our working circumstances, but if you do have your heart set on a pup (and are able to show that you have arrangements in place for those first few weeks when 3-4 hours is probably too long to leave a pup) then patience and perseverance will lead you to the right breeder, I'm sure  ;)
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2007, 07:09:19 PM »
you certainly sound like you've thought it all through and thats more than alot of people do.  why not speak to rescue and ask their advice?  They are very helpful.

Cockers are alot like springer in some respects certainly in temperment so that will help you if you have already had experience of them but you could also try and find a local class to you or go to one of the meet ups that are arranged on here with cocker owners who i am sure will be more than happy to give you the ins and outs of the breed :D

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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 07:40:12 PM »

Hi Simon and welcome to the forum.  :D

I agree with everyone else, it seems you've put a lot of thought into getting a dog and have a lifestyle that is quite flexible, with family to help you out. As long as you can take time off work at first to help settle a dog/pup in, I don't think you should have too much trouble finding the right one for you.

I'm not sure if you've had a chance to look around the forum but the following articles might help you...

How To Find A Reputable Breeder

There's a lot of dodgy breeders around but the above article should point you in the right direction - it includes a link to the Cocker Breed Clubs who are the best place to start your search. It's worth mentioning that you'd consider an older Cocker as some breeders may have older pups/dogs available for new homes.

UK Cocker Rescue Representatives

Have a chat with one of the Reps, explaining your level of experience and what you are looking for - as Nicola says not all rescue dogs have behavioural problems, although many do. A good rescue would not try and home a difficult dog with someone lacking in the experience or confidence to deal with the problems. It's worth keeping an eye on the Rescue section on this forum too, as links to Cockers needing homes are often posted.

Whether you want a pup/dog from a breeder, or whether you opt to rescue - either could take a while to sort out, so the best bet is probably to keep your options open and make lots of phone calls and play it by ear. Good luck !  :D

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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2007, 09:00:39 PM »
i agree with everyone else- it sounds like you are thinking this through very conscientiously and that's wonderful. :)

barkley (our 14 month old) is very lucky as mine and my OH's hours overlap to the extent that he is normally only alone each week day for between 3 and 4 hours in the afternoon, but two days a week, he is often alone for 4 hours in the morning too, and he has adapted fine to this slighty changing routine. i would add though that we didn't feel he was old enough to be left for this long for about a month or so, so the first few weeks that we had him we worked very hard (with the help of family and flexible working hours) to make sure that he was only alone for about an hour to begin with and gradually built it up.

happily there have never been any seperation issues and no sign that barkey ever does anything whilst alone other than eat any food that's been left for him, and sleep! any toys or chews left out have never moved when we get back.

i think your plans sound great and that as long as you are able to be flexible on the odd occasion when things get complicated, you should have a very happy pup.  :D
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2007, 10:23:47 AM »
Thanks very much for all the replies. I honestly didn't expect anyone to say anything positive so I'm amazed that you all think we'd make decent owners!

We've taken on board all the comments about "rescued" dogs and we'll be seriously thinking about this option as well now. Personally, I've have bad experiences with an abused dog but as many have pointed out, there are plenty of other older dogs that will not necessarily come with baggage!

We now have some serious thinking to do.

As an aside, ane of our big concerns is boat-training a dog, if we do go down the puppy route. Sometimes there isn't an "outside" to take a dog when away from the marina or anchorage! I've got no problem with a dog pooping in the cockpit of the boat as it'll just wash down but I wonder what sort of message that sends out to a younger dog?

Thank you all again, your replies are all helpful and encouraging :)

Simon




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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2007, 11:22:40 AM »
You could train it to use puppy pads and use those for the boat. My folks used to have a boat and a dog and never had any problems anyway. It's amazing how long they can hold on for at times. Is it a canal boat or an open sea boat? I'm guessing open sea as you talk about Marinas - but if a canal then you'll have no probs as you can stop off so easily. Open sea might be a bit more difficult ;) If you go down the puppy route you'll just have to adapt potemtially what kind of boating you do for maybe a year until he/she is fully housetrained that's all. In anycase - you're new charge will occupy you so much that you won't miss as much boat activity anyway

As for safety I'm sure you'll have seen other dogs with them - but you can get life jackets for dogs which I think is a good idea. I know dogs can swim but they do fall off boats and if they panic and are not near a river/canal edge where they can get out then they can get into difficulty. Plus a lifejacket gives you something to grab hold of to haul them back on board :005:

I too think you sound like you have the potentail to be very good owners! and wish you all the luck in finding your ideal canine companion.
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2007, 12:56:47 PM »
You could train it to use puppy pads and use those for the boat. My folks used to have a boat and a dog and never had any problems anyway. It's amazing how long they can hold on for at times. Is it a canal boat or an open sea boat? I'm guessing open sea as you talk about Marinas - but if a canal then you'll have no probs as you can stop off so easily. Open sea might be a bit more difficult ;) If you go down the puppy route you'll just have to adapt potemtially what kind of boating you do for maybe a year until he/she is fully housetrained that's all. In anycase - you're new charge will occupy you so much that you won't miss as much boat activity anyway

As for safety I'm sure you'll have seen other dogs with them - but you can get life jackets for dogs which I think is a good idea. I know dogs can swim but they do fall off boats and if they panic and are not near a river/canal edge where they can get out then they can get into difficulty. Plus a lifejacket gives you something to grab hold of to haul them back on board :005:

I too think you sound like you have the potentail to be very good owners! and wish you all the luck in finding your ideal canine companion.

Our boat is kept on Loch Lomond so whilst we don't boat on the sea we can sometimes be a few miles from our marina. Thanks for mentioning the animal flotation devices but you are correct, we've seen them and would certainly invest in one. A friend of ours has a westie who usually wears one and it's saved him from a sticky situation at least once! One with a handle would be helpful to lift a dog on and off the boat and also in and out of the dinghy. If cockers are anything like the springer I grew up with, they'll leap into the water at any opportunity and without regard to how they'll get out again :)

Not sure how long the dinghy would last against claws but I'm sure we'd soon find out!

Thx again,
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2007, 01:42:01 PM »
just a thought, but we started Ben off to go to the loo on command, and he has his area of the garden to go in, which makes it easier to keep clean.
I don't think you would have a problem training a pup to go in one area.  We were advised to make sure that Ben went on different surfaces - ie tarmac, grass, sand etc so that he is happy to go when I tell him.

I agree puppy pads would be a good idea.
You do realise a cocker will probably spend more time in the water than on a boat anyway :005: :005:

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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2007, 04:03:53 PM »
sounds a great life for a cocker, hope you find the perfect dog.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2007, 04:10:11 PM »
If cockers are anything like the springer I grew up with, they'll leap into the water at any opportunity and without regard to how they'll get out again :)

Depends on the cocker. I have one that dives in then regardless  ::) ::)- got himslef in a couple of tricky situations - but I also know of others who take one look at a rain drop and run the other way :005: :005:
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2007, 04:27:18 PM »
As the others said, well done to your for thinking this out carefully ahead of time. I'm sure you'll make wonderful owners!

Don't be shy about enquiring about rescue dogs, there are many whose only issue was having a moron for a first owner!  >:D

I have a boat too, and when mine were puppies, I just stayed close to shore, mine is small enough I can just ground it near shore to let the dogs out for a run and potty break, no need to go to a marina for that. Since you say you have a dinghy, I assume your boat is much bigger, just anchor near shore. Dinghys are pretty tough so the nails should pose no trouble--many people have inflatable childrens wading pools and dog nails don't penetrate these. (Just keep them trimmed!) In fact if you do get a puncture from dog nails, I'd be having a few bad words with the manufacturer!  :005:

Good luck to you and welcome to COL! You'll find loads of good info here!  :D
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Re: Potential owner questions
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2007, 04:50:51 PM »
I agree with the rest - you seem very committed! Hope you find a cocker soon!

I aswell work full time... So I got a puppy, my mum doesnt live far and looks after her whilst I am working. I do shift work which works out to be easier. Crate training I think is a must if your goingto leave a young dog because then you have peace of mind that it wont choke on something it finds somewhere!

I had no troubles with Poppy. She doesnt batt an eye lid when I leave her because she knows it wont be long till someone comes back.

I have a dog walker too... which is a god send!
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