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Offline Indie

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« on: October 14, 2007, 06:37:34 PM »
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We are after a solid colour puppy and went to see this little chap yesterday. His breeder thought the white/grey fur over his nose would probably turn brown like the rest of his coat. Is this generally what happens? We are not experienced in the early stages of puppy development so have no knowledge of our own to draw on.



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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2007, 06:47:25 PM »
I have seen white darken up from puppies, so it is possible, but can't be predicted.
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2007, 06:54:49 PM »
Please tell me that's a breeder's photo and that you weren't allowed to see and handle a puppy so very very young :huh:
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 08:44:54 PM »
Please tell me that's a breeder's photo and that you weren't allowed to see and handle a puppy so very very young :huh:

my thought too pammy..... :-\
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 09:34:52 PM »
Please tell me that's a breeder's photo and that you weren't allowed to see and handle a puppy so very very young :huh:

my thought too pammy..... :-\


Same here.

A well bred show type solid cocker wouldn't have white anywhere except a small amount on the chest at most  :-\.
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 10:20:57 PM »
some working cocker solid liver puppies do have white patches on other than their chest, usually noses and feet.  Some disappear as they grow or darken, some don't... but at that young age I wouldn't like to hazard a guess.

My main hope is that the breeder isn't allowing loads of potential buyers to handle such young puppies  :-\
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 10:37:58 PM »
That looks like a working cocker puppy to me, because of the white nose that's the first thought that came into my head, that it was a worker.
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 12:05:02 AM »
Please tell me that's a breeder's photo and that you weren't allowed to see and handle a puppy so very very young :huh:

My thought too Pammy  :-\

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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 04:21:38 PM »
The OP said she went to see the puppy, so guess even if they didn't get to hold it, they saw it...
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2007, 06:01:53 PM »
Rolo  as a young pup.( I delivered him) Rolo's breeder believes in handling her pups from a young age as long as you wash your hands and always under her close supervision.. her pups (and their mothers) were never stressed by this and all her pups are bomb proof.. and so friendly and outgoing.. they just dont have a snappy bone in them. Rolos breeder wouldnt let her children / others touch young pups until mum has bonded with them tho as this can lead to a pup being abandoned. Plus the labour suite  ;) is kept quiet and calm throughout.. :luv:
 strangers dont usually see them until they have their eyes open and are bouncing about..


 
rolo now..
very little white on face..moe a pale brown..


and its all roan on his chest.

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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 06:27:44 PM »
Different someone the dog knows  :-\ not the same for a prospective puppy owner to handle them at such a young age. I think it really unsettles Mum  :huh:

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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 06:41:24 PM »
Different someone the dog knows  :-\ not the same for a prospective puppy owner to handle them at such a young age. I think it really unsettles Mum  :huh:
I agree.. potential buyers dont see the pups until they are bigger but friends and family who come and go on a daily basis are encouraged to speak to the pups to help with socialising.. her pups are in her kitchen  ( which is huge) and get used to all sorts of comings and goings..dishwashers washing machines kids doing homework... mum also leaps out to give you a huge welcome and cocker kisses..  rolos line is a very laid back lot.. theres a lot to be said for not being brought up in a kennel .( this is a working line bred for working not just the pet market) by the time they are 8 weeks old they arent scared of bangs clatters anything.. they have met the cats you name it.

 anyway modified to say.. the white can certainley disappear, especially if its just a touch of white.

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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 06:52:47 PM »
Thank you for all your replies.

Firstly, I am shocked and very worried that our visit has caused such concern amongst you. We were shown the puppy (I took the photo) but it is clear we should not have been allowed to visit at all. I really don't know what to say as we had absolutely no idea that such an early visit would be a problem. We adore our current cocker but he is our first dog and our complete lack of knowledge regarding new-born puppies is clearly showing. I relied completely on the breeder knowing best..... :-\

We shall think hard about this, meanwhile I can only apologise for being naive.

Setting that aside, the comments and photos are very helpful as it shows things can change by the week. The photos of Rolo are gorgeous, thank you Jean for sharing them! We will clearly have to be patient if we decide to take things further with this dog and ask for updates as he progresses.

All the best,

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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2007, 07:05:52 PM »
Indie - what matters is that you learn from the experience on the forum and then use that experience with your own judgement in finding the right breeder.

This breeder might be OK - but showing such a very young puppy to strangers is not the norm and does beg the question as to why. Just how old are the puppies? He looks to only be about a week old, if that. You need to satisfy yourself that this is a reputable breeder.

Socialising puppies is vitally important as mentioned above - but this can be and is normally done with family members and people the mum is comfortable with, not strangers. They are better raised in the home and exposed to normal daily family life, but while still blind and very tiny is risky from a disease perspective and of upsetting mum.

As for choosing a puppy - there's no way you can choose a puppy at that age anyway as you have no idea what they will turn out like. Also a sad fact is that the puppies are still very vulnerable at that age and while not common it is not unkown for them to suddenly fade and be lost.:(

From four and even better about 6 weeks is a better age when some of their personaity is starting to show. Colour is a secondary concern taken over heath and temperament.;)

Good luck - let us know how you get on. Try not to let the heart rule.
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Re: puppy colour change
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 07:09:15 PM »
Thank you for all your replies.

Firstly, I am shocked and very worried that our visit has caused such concern amongst you. We were shown the puppy (I took the photo) but it is clear we should not have been allowed to visit at all. I really don't know what to say as we had absolutely no idea that such an early visit would be a problem. We adore our current cocker but he is our first dog and our complete lack of knowledge regarding new-born puppies is clearly showing. I relied completely on the breeder knowing best..... :-\

We shall think hard about this, meanwhile I can only apologise for being naive.

Setting that aside, the comments and photos are very helpful as it shows things can change by the week. The photos of Rolo are gorgeous, thank you Jean for sharing them! We will clearly have to be patient if we decide to take things further with this dog and ask for updates as he progresses.

All the best,

Indie x

you live and learn Indie.. If this breeder is letting folk straight off the street that dont know the bitch in to handle pups that young Id avoid her/ him TBH.  how did you hear about the pups? Its a bit early to be advertising them.. TBH I thought you were going to say youd known them and their bitch for years.. but to take strangers in with a day or two old pup is risky. Not only would it scare the mother, Potentially you could carry parvo or  anything in to them, they dont know you you could have been near an infected dog.  maybe they are just seeing pound signs..
 no ones getting at you..  keep posting....