Thanks for reply. As soon as I come in they always go mad as cockers do so ignore wee, give fuss then put outside and clean up wee.I always put them outside before I go out. One time Ollie wee'd outside, i then took son to school but realised I had forgot something and I really had to go back and get it. I don't like doing this as I don't like to disturb the dogs. When I went in Ollie had already wee'd, I must have been out 10 minutes, 15 at the most. That is an exception though, he is usually dry if we are out a couple of hours. We don't crate him any more as we have another dog and this seemed to distress him as he wanted to be close to Buster. He always wee'd in his cage anyway right from bringing him home. I never get cross with him for weeing as he is an angel in every other way and is actually quite obedient, I know its not his fault. I just want to help him and to stop the house smelling of wee. It doesn't really but you do get paranoid. I will think about stopping using the puppy pads as I have thought these might not be helping.