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Offline little_jack

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Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:21 PM »
Hi All

Not the best way to start the New Year, took Jack to vets today as they are very insistent about neutering. I waited longer than they wanted as I was hoping for undescended testicle to drop, it hasn't so unfortunately they are having to go into the abdomen. Has anyone had any experience of this? The vet wasnt very forthcoming about what it involves compared to routine neutering (time, recovery etc). Also, couldn't believe how expensive it is  :o and neutering is routine so excluded from insurance. I also noticed Jack limping a couple of times so asked for this to be checked too. Apparently his leg doesnt move well when pushed forward (sorry I am probs not making any sense, can't remember exactly how she explained it), might be his elbow, so he is also having x-rays. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I know I'm just getting myself in a flap but I've got all sorts of thoughts going through my head (probs because he is my first dog  :luv: ). Sorry for the long, rambling post. Cant help but worry about my baby  :D

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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 05:58:20 PM »
Poor you  :-\

I can't advise you on the leg problem as I have no experience of that. Dave has one undropped testicle but we can feel it in his groin so they know where they are going to get it - I've been quoted £180 to have him done, I don't know how that compares with your vet?

If you feel you are being pushed into things, I would be tempted to get a second opinion from another vet to be honest. I like my vets and trust them - they are upfront about facts and always leave decisions to me and also take advice on how best my dogs will react in certain situations and act on that - I've asked for muzzles to be left off and for me to hold rather than a nurse for particular dogs for painful procedure etc as I know they will be less stressed and react better that way.

Don't feel that because they are professionals and are what they are, that you don't have a right to check what they are saying and compare prices with another practice if you're concerned.

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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 05:59:13 PM »
Can't help with op question but have you checked with your insurance, they might pay seeing he has to have it done for his health. Neutring is a choice but having an undescended testicle is a health issue, I would have thought.
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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 06:16:58 PM »
Thanks for replies and so quick. £180? Wow, thats good, its £313 with our vet :-\ . I also thought it would be classed as a health issue but I phoned the insurance company and they still class it under the routine/elective surgery bracket.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 06:17:10 PM »
If neutering is being advised for health reasons then the insurance may pay - check with them first. I know of a bitch who had a skin problem that was hormonal and the vets recommended spaying her, this was covered on the insurance.  Depending on where the undescended testicle is, it could be quite straightforward to find but sometimes it can take a while. There will be 2 wounds instead of one - the abdoiminal one may be quite large depending on how far they have to look to find it. If they have to rummage around for a bit, they may suggest putting him on pain relief for a few days post op but other than that, recovery should be the same.  If you have any worries re his leg, then makes sense to have it x-rayed while he's under.
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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 06:21:15 PM »
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but I phoned the insurance company and they still class it under the routine/elective surgery bracket.

Thats crazy.  Can you not get the vet to write to the insurance company saying you need to get it done for health reasons?  After all, you may have elected not to ever get him 'done'.
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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 06:35:38 PM »
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but I phoned the insurance company and they still class it under the routine/elective surgery bracket.

Thats crazy.  Can you not get the vet to write to the insurance company saying you need to get it done for health reasons?  After all, you may have elected not to ever get him 'done'.

Thats an idea, never thought of that, thanks  :D .  I have requested the claim form anyway and will ask vet if they would give me some form of letter to go with it.

 If you have any worries re his leg, then makes sense to have it x-rayed while he's under.

Yeah definitely, thats why I asked to do it all at once so its only one anaesthetic. Also means I get to know sooner and dont have to sit worrying for long. Im bad enough now  :D

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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 08:16:14 PM »
Can't offer advice about the neutering but regarding the limping, don't know whether you have anyone near you who does canine massage who could look at the muscular side of action. This wouldn't show on a routing xray.

We are lucky to have someone in our area (Worcestershire) who does this and she was brilliant with Jasper and is booked to see Heidi this week.  Pm me if you want her details, even if she isn't close enough to you, she may have links to others in the country  ;)

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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 08:32:20 PM »
My old boy was Cript Orchid ( Undescended testicle )and we left it for quite a long time and it dropped just before the op. One of the boys I have at the moment was also Cript Orchid and they could feel it a little further up. The op went just fine and the wound was tiny. The leg thing I'm not sure about, but you are surely doing the right thing getting it xrayed.
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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 08:35:45 PM »
Hi Kayli  How old is your little Jack?  The reason is because a friend of mine was waiting to get her boy castrated last year and one of his testicles hadn't come down, so the vet advised waiting a little longer and eventually it did come down just before 12 months of age. If Jack is still younger than this, personally i would wait and see.  I have also heard of someone giving their dog a shake to see if it comes down, which only surmising  :-\ this would mean holding him so his bottom end is facing down wards and 'jiggling' him gently around a bit??  Don't know if anyone else has heard this??


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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 08:38:42 PM »
just out of interest how old is your dog???  Some males don't drop both testicles till they are 18 months... personally I think your vet is taking the p** a little so I would be asking for a second opinion they should not force you to neuter especially not for that price.  It is a health concern if they only have one decended testicle and it should be dealt with by neutering but if he is still young sometimes it is worth waiting a little bit longer.

If the testicle remains undecended make sure that you let your breeder know as this can have a hereditary factor to it.  

With the current financial situation I am worried that some vets will opt for asking their customers to go through procedures that they don't actually need.



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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 08:44:34 PM »
William had exactly the same problem, an undescended testicle, place of hiding unknown until they operated to remove it. It was near one of his kidneys and apparently it took the vet a while to find it and remove it, which was done when he was 15 months old. I waited until then in the hope that it might appear. He had 2 lots of stitches from the removal of the undescended testicle. One lot was internal, the other external. I can still faintly see the scar from the external stitches.

He had the other testicle removed at the same time, so is fully castrated. I sometimes regret that, as his coat is nowhere near as nice as it was. He's a show type and, as I used to show a bit, I like to keep him in something resembling show trim. But that's just a bit of an annoyance to me, not a problem to William.

After the op. he felt very sorry for himself for about 24 hours. I think it was partly stress from having to spend a whole day at the surgery, which was a new experience for him. It was a new experience for me too, seeing my happy, confident boy in such a frightened state. It was also certainly partly due to pain. I took him back to the vet the next day and got some additional pain relief for him. He was a lot happier after that, but I still ended going back a few more times as he had some swelling and fluid behind the external stitches. I was worried about that, but it didn't bother William at all and it didn't require any additional treatment.

He had to wear a lampshade at first and really hated it, so I decided to just put it on him at night or if I went out and to watch him like a hawk the rest of the time. That worked well and after a few days I think he'd forgotten about the stitches and they clearly weren't bothering him by then.

My insurers are NFU and they flatly refused to pay up because it was elective surgery. I wrote to them and pointed out that it was done on the recommendation of my vet, but they wouldn't pay up.

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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 10:10:28 PM »
My old boy was Cript Orchid ( Undescended testicle )and we left it for quite a long time and it dropped just before the op. One of the boys I have at the moment was also Cript Orchid and they could feel it a little further up. The op went just fine and the wound was tiny. The leg thing I'm not sure about, but you are surely doing the right thing getting it xrayed.

Baja was Cript Orchid also, he was done last year and our insurance (pet plan) paid for the procedure to go ahead as it was a necessity. I would speak to your vet and ask them to let the insurance company know it is a necessity rather than your choice.



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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2009, 11:00:59 PM »
Max also has an undescended testicle but it could be easily seen/felt.  I can't remember whether it was quite double the cost of a standard op but we were lucky as it was so near they managed to do them both all through the one incision.
He would also occasionally lift his back leg but only when running at a certain speed IFKWIM but after the op he did it alot less frequently.  My OH said (being a man & knowing these things  :005:) that the undescended one must have been causing him some discomfort
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Re: Can anyone spare some reassurance please
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 11:21:14 PM »
Thank you all for your replies, I really do appreciate it  :D . Its all so tricky with him being my first dog, think my inexperience is definitely showing. The vet told us to have his neutered as soon as he turned 5 months and wasnt happy when I said no. I really wanted to wait until at least 12-18 months. However, when we went in about his leg, she checked him again and said I was seriously putting him at risk of cancer not getting him neutered now (he is only 8 months). That just freaked me out completely, in fact I felt pretty rubbish, would hate to think I was putting him at risk of anything.