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Offline fabmum

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red or gold
« on: March 30, 2009, 01:40:06 PM »
Is there a BIG difference between these two colours of cocker spaniels as we can't find a gold pup in Scotland at the moment but have found a small breeder who has blacks and reds,we might go and see them but we we're just wondering if anybody out there owns a red cocker?
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 01:42:31 PM »
I'm sure someone with breeders knowledge will be along soon to tell you but we often get told Poppy is a Red so I'd be interested to know....I'd say she was a Goldie!
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2009, 01:42:58 PM »
My rescue girl Ruaidh (Rua) is a solid red.  I got her from Many Tears when she was 11 weeks old.

She is lovely - but then I would say that!  :luv: :luv:
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 01:44:31 PM »
I think its just the depth of colour that determines whether they are classed as red or gold.  I had a rescue cocker who was classed as red and his coat colour was a lot richer than my gold boy.
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2009, 01:45:02 PM »
I thought that red/gold/golden/orange/tangerine were just varying shades of the same colour  ;)

The Kennel Club has not specified the terms that should be used to describe cocker spaniel colour, so they can be described in a rainbow of shades; and their colour doesn't make a difference to their personality or temperament  :D
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2009, 01:47:09 PM »
Harvey officially is a golden but colouring is actually red, main difference is a very light golden or the darker mainly down back with lighter on ears and legs and tummy feathering etc which is what is normally known as red.  There are lots of photos of reds on at the moment on the COL meet up boards from all around the country as well as some of Poppy on today
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 01:54:48 PM »
Quote from: Cob-Web on March 30, 2009, 01:45:02 PM
I thought that red/gold/golden/orange/tangerine were just varying shades of the same colour  ;)

The Kennel Club has not specified the terms that should be used to describe cocker spaniel colour, so they can be described in a rainbow of shades; and their colour doesn't make a difference to their personality or temperament  :D

???? But I thought all solid gold/red cockers had rage?? ;) :lol2:

My solid gold boy was actually described as 'brown' on his kennel club certificate but he was very golden and came from solid gold and solid black lines. I've seen a lot of darker golds recently that I can see would be described as 'red' but whatever shade they are they're all gorgeous and as cob-web says, really are just different shades.
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2009, 01:58:02 PM »
When we get Ollie he was descibed as Gold - his kennel name is Greenways Golden boy so this also reflets this.

As he got older he showed more red. I would now say he is a mixture, red in most places with a gold top knot and gold legs and tail!! A complete mis match  :005: !!!

So even you bought a gold puppy it could turn redder or vice versa!!!

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Re: red or gold
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 02:02:05 PM »
Heidi is registered gold but gone quite red on her back as she's got older http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/jaspersmum/Heidi/IMG_7568.jpg

I'd go and look at the litter, sounds like it's down to interpretation and how the breeder records the colour and provided everything else checks out, I'd say colour is whether you like or not  ;)
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 02:20:29 PM »
Kimmy is registered as red, she has a black nose and her tummy is turning black :lol2:
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 03:17:55 PM »
When my pups were born they were light golden and so we classed them as Golden, but as they've got older they have changed in colour. The girls have not changed that dramatically and I think would still be classed as Golden, but Tally the boys colour has deepened and deepened and is now a deep rich colour which looks beautiful. It's just a shame as his registered KC name is Golden Tally Is The Man.  ;)  From my experience it is just different tones of the same colour and I seem to have both from the same litter and the temperament with all of them are perfect.
The lighting is slightly different where Tallys pic was taken, but it still shows his colour well.
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »
This comes up quite often so if you do a forum search you should find other threads but here are two for now:-

http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=52856.0

http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=36582.0
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Offline fabmum

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Re: red or gold
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 03:51:55 PM »
thanks everyone for your advice   ;)
All your dogs look so adorable  :luv:
We've made arrangements to go and see the pups tomorrow can't wait now  ;)
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Offline fabmum

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Re: red or gold
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »
Also I would just like to add that this forum site is of GREAT HELP and we haven't even got our new puppy yet,  :D  :D  :D
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Re: red or gold
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2009, 04:49:19 PM »
Ozzi was registered with the kennel club and sold as red - but he isn't as red as some!!!  see what you think!!!!



I don't think you would be dissappointed with a red if you wanted a gold as they are very similar as others have said.
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