need help please off you very knoweldgable people re vaccs

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

My vets uses eurican brand vaccs and the manufacturer states boosters should be given for everything yearly 

I know on the nobivac brand the manufacturer states that only lepto should be boostered yearly and the rest every three years.

I have found a vets in my area who uses nobivac on the three yearly schedule and is happy for my dogs to be registered with them just for their vaccs and stay with my other vets for everything else (my vets are fab and I really dont want to leave them) even though this other vets seems really good 

I am waiting to call my vets at three to discuss mine being boostered with the nobivac at their practise but cant see them going for it as they have a contract with eurican 

The very cinical side of me thinks the eurican is only used as its a money spinner to fully vaccinate every year BUT I cant help thinking is this actually a better brand of vaccine 

I know when I speak to my vet hes going to say eurican is the better brand and they dont use nobivac for some specific reason (maybe its cheaper  ) and want to be prepared but I cant find anything online comparing the two.


Amber was boostered with nobivac so I have definitely decided to have her just lepto vacc this year and not booster her for three years but Jack and Brie have been boostered on this eurican and im a bit confused what to do 

As the eurican manufacturers guidlines only covers them for a year if they went on nobivac they would have to be given the full booster again and then it would go on the three yearly cycle 

Flynn only had his first two injections last year so is due the full booster anyways and I am going to have him boostered with nobivac I think

Would it be something like the eurican is used yearly because they are giving a much smaller dose then the three yearly booster so there is less chance of side effects

Or is eurican giving the same dose and the manufacturers are just taking the mick

Any advice please

[Helen]

AFAIK they have NO idea how long vaccines will last - they could only 'afford' to keep the lab dogs for a year which is why the traditional 'booster annually' command came into force.

I doubt whether they are better or they give the booster in any less quantity - remember they give the same amount of vaccine to a dachsie that they give to a great dane....

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

AFAIK they have NO idea how long vaccines will last - they could only 'afford' to keep the lab dogs for a year which is why the traditional 'booster annually' command came into force.

I doubt whether they are better or they give the booster in any less quantity - remember they give the same amount of vaccine to a dachsie that they give to a great dane....

thanks I just want to be prepared when I call him.

Its so difficult to find out why one manufacturer states three yearly and another yearly for boosters 

I cant find anything

[Helen]

AFAIK they have NO idea how long vaccines will last - they could only 'afford' to keep the lab dogs for a year which is why the traditional 'booster annually' command came into force.

I doubt whether they are better or they give the booster in any less quantity - remember they give the same amount of vaccine to a dachsie that they give to a great dane....

thanks I just want to be prepared when I call him.

Its so difficult to find out why one manufacturer states three yearly and another yearly for boosters 

I cant find anything

Most vets use Nobivac now and the 3 year schedule, unusual to find one that's not...and if they can't offer it then they definitely are tied into a contract with the other company 

[spanielcrazy]

Or is eurican giving the same dose and the manufacturers are just taking the mick

That's my guess  

When the new vaccine protocols came out recommending boosters every 3 years (and that I think is a case of vets and researchers covering their rear ends; and easing the public into accepting the idea that they aren't needed yearly) they were still using vaccines that were labeled for annual use. Think the manufacturers got on board and just changed the labels, not the vaccines.

So you could go with the vet who does the Novibac, or you could stay at the practice you are at and just do the Eurican every 3 years.("Off label" use is what it's called  )  Either way the dog is covered, so it would be down to which vet would be agreeable  

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

AFAIK they have NO idea how long vaccines will last - they could only 'afford' to keep the lab dogs for a year which is why the traditional 'booster annually' command came into force.

I doubt whether they are better or they give the booster in any less quantity - remember they give the same amount of vaccine to a dachsie that they give to a great dane....

thanks I just want to be prepared when I call him.

Its so difficult to find out why one manufacturer states three yearly and another yearly for boosters 

I cant find anything

Most vets use Nobivac now and the 3 year schedule, unusual to find one that's not...and if they can't offer it then they definitely are tied into a contract with the other company 

strangely nearly all the vets I spoke to around here used eurican I could only find one that used nobivac yet when looking online as you say nobivac seems to be mostley used

[spanielcrazy]

Its so difficult to find out why one manufacturer states three yearly and another yearly for boosters 

I cant find anything

Because they can make more money selling it every year than every 3 years. But I doubt you'll find that in print! 

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

spoke to my vets.

He was really good and basically said I can have them vaccinated however I want  

Amber will definitely only be getting lepto as her last booster was nobivac (the vet actually recommended this  )

He said in simple terms the eurican is a lower theraputic dose than nobivac BUT the tests carried out on nobivac have not been completed on eurican. He said eurican did comission a study and had vets titre test dogs who had not been boostered for several years so they could review their guidlines but the companys who make eurican and nobivac are merging and will probably be dropping the eurican vaccine so they never completed the study.

He said the yearly recommendation for eurican is basically in place because thats all their vaccine is tested to and its all to do with when the yearly vaccinations were questioned some companys developed a three yearly booster and others didnt.

He said he uses eurican as its the best product for cats so they order the dog one too   and because the puppy jabs for eurican brand are given at 12weeks rather than 10week which he prefers.

He did say there is one brand he would never use (began with p) as he has heard anicdotal evidence about it causing reactions but out of eurican and nobivac he will administer which ever one I choose at booster.

Or my dogs can just have the lepto (even the ones on the eurican) but he warned me this was pointless as its outside the manufacturers guidlines so im best either boostering with eurican or nobivac.

He said if he was me he would for now stay on the eurican as he prefers a smaller dose annualy to the larger dose three yearly although he believes both are safe.

what do you guys think?

[waggytails]

This may seem a bit thick of me, but are you all saying that boosters are now mainly given every 3 years, but also if you do this are you still covered by insurance as they insist your dog be vaccinated.  At my vets it is yearly but if you can do it every 3 years i will question this as Hattie is due for hers in June.

[spanielcrazy]

This may seem a bit thick of me, but are you all saying that boosters are now mainly given every 3 years, but also if you do this are you still covered by insurance as they insist your dog be vaccinated.  At my vets it is yearly but if you can do it every 3 years i will question this as Hattie is due for hers in June.

They are shifting to recommending every 3 years, but the insurance companies are not yet up to speed with this, so you wil have to check with your insurance company and do what they want 

He said if he was me he would for now stay on the eurican as he prefers a smaller dose annualy to the larger dose three yearly although he believes both are safe.

what do you guys think?

Personally, I would go for the eurican every 3 years (even if it is going to be discontinued. You can do the Novibac on the next go round; and hopefully we'll have even more info  )

[Helen]

The insurance cover should still be valid - the only difference is that if your dog contracts any of the diseases that are said to be prevented by the vaccines they are not covered for them....

[BettyBoo]

Our vet uses one called Vanguard from Pfizer but I noticed that Millie has a full booster every year and Betty only had Lepto when she went for her second year booster. I'm a bit confused

[Nicola]

I would leave Amber other than her lepto, have Flynn fully boostered with Nobivac and if Jack and Brie were fully boostered last year I'd probably have them titre tested and then make a decision from there, either that or I'd just put them onto a 3-year cycle. I do puppy vaccs and then year one boosters but after that I don't do annual boosters other than lepto (although I can't do boosters at all now for Rodaidh and god knows about Tilly) but I have them titre tested annually to check their levels, so far both of them have been fine (Caoimhe's getting her year one boosters next week).