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Offline dkirkuk

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Just wondered what experienced breeders would think of an enquiry about a puppy from some distance away?

I have literally just placed an advert and received an e-mail from someone in Northern Ireland (I am in Scotland). I have suggested that the enquirer calls me to disucss further, but was a bit suprised that they couldn't find a more local breeder.
 
On the face of it the info in the e-mail seems reasonable enough but I am aware that a lot of the puppy farm puppies are brought in from Ireland and I certainly don't want any puppy of mine ending up as a breeding bitch. I am maybe being a bit paranoid about this but was interested in others views and how you would deal with this.

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Personally I would be put off and as you said would question why the would nee to travel such distance to get a puppy but I am ever pessimstic  ph34r - especially when it came to one of my own. I would be supried if they actually call!

To add - i see you wanted advice from an experienced breeder - this I am not  ph34r

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Definitely have a phone conversation and also say that you like to meet in person any potential new owners of your pups, preferably at least once before the pups are ready to go to their new homes. A serious buyer who is committed to the idea of getting a pup will be willing to do some traveling for the right pup ;)

Also, if the phone conversation or first meeting doesn't feel right, then just say to them that you don't feel they offer the type of home you want for your pups.  :blink:

Hope this helps  :D

 

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It's not necessarily a bad sign or suspicious to get puppy enquiries from long distances away - some people are willing to travel for a particular colour or to get health tested parents. But as with any enquiry, you need to vet carefully & ensure they are willing to come over to meet you in person. If they're not willing or you don't feel happy for any reason, then just politely say no - remember they're your puppies and you decide who is lucky enough to have one ;)
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In the defense of the Irish we're not all evil puppy farmers! And from the perspective of a buyer trying to find a puppy here is a bit of mind field.

I'm in the Republic and was determined to find an undocked puppy (it's still legal in the ROI) which restricted my search to Northern Ireland. I had originally intended to find a puppy whose parents have been health tested but not many breeders seem to be doing this yet. I contacted a couple of breeders in the kennel club's accredited scheme and had mixed experiences. One person was absolutely lovely, asked all the right questions, offered to take back the pup at any time during its life if my circumstances changed, had had her bitch health tested, etc but had no puppies on the way at the time. The other (a very well known show kennel) was going to be 'having health testing done in the future but not as yet', informed me of a litter arrival, was very vague about whether he could a puppy available to me, and also wouldn't let them go until they were 10 weeks old, oh and it wouldn't be vaccinated but if I wanted to have that arranged in advance then we could come to an agreement over it (!), he promised to send photos which never arrived, failed to respond to a couple of polite e-mails from me asking for updates on how the puppies were doing which left me thinking that he had found other buyers and couldn't be bothered letting me know.

I contacted another well known shower and breeder who gave me several recs only one of which was in the North and she just happened to have one puppy left from a recent litter. A near three hour drive later and I met my future puppy (and his mum, and an aunt and half sister!) No health checks, no microchip, no vaccinations but from decent Irish lines. So much for all my careful research! And that other breeder? The day I found my pup he finally sent me a e-mail updating me on his puppies! Over three weeks after my last e-mail to him! Too late by far.

All in all a frustrating experience. If you're in Ireland, whether north or south, and were set fast on a health checked, non-docked puppy, looking overseas might be your only option. I have yet to find a breeder here who is hip scoring, and testing for both PRA and FN.

As Jane S says with any potential buyer you need to vet carefully and use your own judgement. I spent ages researching what breed I wanted and had narrowed it down to either a cocker or a Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen - now as there are very few breeders of PBGVs in Ireland I would have been quite prepared to travel to the UK to find one.

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As a former breeder of golden retrievers, I did have a couple of enquiries some distance from me. The way most golden retriever breeders do it is to ask a breeder (details obtained from the breed club we belong to if they could give me information about the area. I did this once for a breeder out of my area and found the front garden of the house in question to be full of broken glass and rubbish in a horrible area. I know it's not very precise but it does give some indication.

It may well be that the prospective new owner is not happy with the local breeders she has spoken to.

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Not an experienced breeder, but from a rescue point of view... Why not have a chat and then ask whether you could organise someone to do a homecheck on them, or get a vet referral. Like Jane has said people will travel great distances. Our rescue is based in Wales but we have dogs rehomed in scotland, the channel islands and all over the country basically.

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Offline dkirkuk

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Thanks all. I am certainly not casting aspertions about dog owners in Ireland! The area I live in (Ayrshire) is known to have a particularly active puppy farm trade with links to Ireland. It is really this combined with the fact that it was e-mail communication and the rather bland content of the e-mail which just rang a few alarm bells.

And I appreciate that people will travel. Indeed I drove 10 hours down to Norfolk to get Daisy. It's just that there was no indication in the e-mail of why the enquirer was looking further afield.
 
I am more than happy to be reassured that all is genuine if the individual gets in touch by phone and comes across for a viewing in a few weeks. I have googled the address which just seems to be a regular residential area.

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It is really this combined with the fact that it was e-mail communication and the rather bland content of the e-mail which just rang a few alarm bells.

I know what you mean - if you advertise anywhere, you will get a lot of emails which tell you nothing about the person enquiring and just asking what pups are available and how much they are. Some emails won't even give you the name of the person enquiring! Sometimes these are genuine enquiries and the people don't realise what questions they should be asking or that you need to know about them too but sometimes they're not & you just have to work out which is which (not always easy).
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I've never bred and never will but if it helps, for me also, distance really isn't a factor when enquiring about a pup or rescue dog.

I'm in Surrey and was prepared to go to the North East for a rescue Vizla, but I missed out as I couldn't get there as quickly as the more local person that ended up with him. Fate had a hand in me ending up with my Weim who was only about 2 hours away. Neither of my Pup's have been that close but I'd have travelled an awful lot further for the right pup. For the (hopefully) 15 years you have a dog a couple of days travel to find the right one really isn't a big deal imo - probably like you felt for Daisy. I do however always give good details about myself when I make enquiries, our life, what we're looking for and why but some people aren't as wordy I guess ph34r :005:

 

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Re: How would breeders deal with a puppy enquiry from some distance away
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 08:14:44 AM »
I got my Gracie only 2 weeks ago and had to travel from Nottingham to Worcester to get her. I did alot of research on breeders, tests etc and found my girl through breeder/judge recommendation. During my research I cocntacted some breeders which were kennel club registered- found out where they were and google earthed them! If I had puppies I would do this to prospective parents! I too saw houses with glass and tyres in the front gardens- which was a bit off-putting!

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Re: How would breeders deal with a puppy enquiry from some distance away
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 02:25:08 PM »
I would ask them to contact you by phone initially....at least you can ask them questions on how they plan to care for a puppy & what sort of life they can give a dog....also expect them to ask you lots of questions & show a real genuine interest.  IMO always go by gut instinct too & if you are in anyway doubting potential new owners then say no.

The puppies are yours until you decide the best homes for their future....in the past i have turned away some people simply because i didn't like their attitude, it was a case of they thought they had a 'right' to have one of the puppies, and believe they are almost doing you a favour by wanting one of your puppies....IMO they have to show you they are going to be loving, caring owners.  I also had a couple visit & the man was a bit too rough handling the puppy, so i turned them away too.  Just do what you think is right for the puppies life.  ;)  I must admit this is one of the difficult parts with breeding.


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Re: How would breeders deal with a puppy enquiry from some distance away
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 03:02:05 PM »
From a 'customer' point of view i'd be prepared to travel for the right pup. The right pup would be one offering something others weren't i.e. the right colour, testing, pedigree etc If You've got fully tested, excellent pedigree, a good standing, rarer colours etc then i'd say fair enough but if your pups are similar to what is availble elsewhere i'd question it more.  :blink:
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Re: How would breeders deal with a puppy enquiry from some distance away
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 10:47:34 AM »
It is really this combined with the fact that it was e-mail communication and the rather bland content of the e-mail which just rang a few alarm bells.

I know what you mean - if you advertise anywhere, you will get a lot of emails which tell you nothing about the person enquiring and just asking what pups are available and how much they are. Some emails won't even give you the name of the person enquiring! Sometimes these are genuine enquiries and the people don't realise what questions they should be asking or that you need to know about them too but sometimes they're not & you just have to work out which is which (not always easy).

Yep, can agree with that completely, the ones I hate are the 'add me to your waiting list'.....no other details  >:D

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Re: How would breeders deal with a puppy enquiry from some distance away
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2010, 08:32:30 PM »
I live on the borders of the Derbyshire Peak District and my friend, who only lives just up the road, recently had a litter of bedlington terriers.  One of the enquiries was from a man who lives on the Isle of Man.  He flew over to see the puppies and then flew back again to take the puppy home.  She couldn't believe it but he has turned out to be a wonderful dad and has kept her really well informed about how the puppy is going on.