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Offline Mel

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Toiletting advice please
« on: June 08, 2010, 09:46:56 AM »
Sorry, but another toiletting question.
As some of you know I am in a second floor flat. Having had two cockers previously I'm not adverse or unused to toilet training under these circumstances. However Niki was maybe nearly 6 months when he came home and Keli was only confined indoors for a week when he came home at 13 and a half weeks. Tali was confined from 9 til 13 weeks because of injections.

Now we are getting a 50% hit rate on wees, but he will go out phaff about for 20 minutes and do nothing. I bring him back in and he goes where he stands or on a puppy pad. Some days like this morning we don't get out of the front door as he wees as I'm putting my shoes on. I am giving a firm no when he performs in the wrong place, but I have a headstrong pupst, I can see the look in his eyes.

Any further advice?

Ok poos. He just will not perform outside. In 6 weeks of being able to go out, he has done it once. He got tons of praise as for wees but he will hold on and hold on til we get in. My question is; would it be a sensible idea to take one of his poos downstairs to a scrap of unkept lawn to try to encourage him? Has anyone any other ideas?

I obviously can't keep him outside all day just incase he goes. He is going out around every hour to hour and a half.

Many thanks.
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 10:18:29 AM »
I wouldn't tell him off for going inside - he may only be understanding from that, that you think going to the loo is bad rather than doing it where he is and I very much doubt he's defying you on purpose.... you've said yourself that for several weeks going in the house has been the norm for him.

Have you been praising him for using puppy pads? If so that's what he'll be associating as a good thing so if you've been using puppy pads inside, have you tried taking one out with him and putting it down to start with?

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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 10:35:39 AM »
Yes he was praised when he used them. I see the logic there, I might try a pad outside.
With regard defiance, I do wonder. For example everytime I go in to mum to give her food and shut the gate he immediately squats and wees, even if he's just been, to mark, possibly? Plus he's been out twice this morning and wouldn't poo and when I take mum downstairs in her wheelchair, he goes in the hall. He has never been 100% with toiletting on the pads. He's been in every room and much cleaning and Simple Solution has been used.

I guess along with clearing up for mum, I'm getting very run down at the moment with the toiletting issue. I know it's me doing something wrong so trying to get some advice. Thanks.
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 01:02:51 PM »
I think I'd be taking him out more often than every hour to hour and a half. Caoimhe was not house trained when I got her at nearly 6 months old last year and I had her out every 40 minutes or so or there were accidents in the house. The only way to do it is consistency which does unfortunately mean that you have to spend a lot of time standing around outside until he performs. I also lived in a flat when I got Caoimhe, we didn't have a garden but had access to a private park across the street and in the first couple of months I had her I spent more time going back and forward between the flat and the park and standing around in the park than I care to remember. One thing that really, really helped with Caoimhe was to put her toileting on a cue, I use 'go pee' for everything so when she went she got told 'go pee' over and over again with loads of praise and treats, it worked really well and now if I say 'go pee' she'll go pretty much instantly, it works for peeing and pooing.

Running around and playing games can often get things moving so to speak and encourage them to poo so you could try taking a toy or a ball out with you and throwing that for a while and running around with him a bit when he's due to poo.
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 01:21:38 PM »
Have you tried putting it on que to save you standing around outside so long? I just used to say "go wee wee" as they start to wee and they soon start to make the association. Then move to saying it a few seconds before they "perform".  Once its on que you just need to make sure you take him out lots but it more managable because when you do go down he does it straight away. Its really useful later on in life if you want to get in the car and need him to wee before you set off.  :005:

ive not managed to put pooing on command thou  >:(

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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2010, 01:25:08 PM »
Just wanted to send you lots of  :bigarmhug: as I do know what you are going through.   As you know, I've had major toileting problems with Odie for months and it's just the past 3-4 weeks when things have really improved.  I too felt he was deliberately doing a wee/poo every time I left him in his crate (as it happened every day for 11 weeks).  It does really upset and frustrate you especially when you have your mum to care for too.  I hadn't had a pup before and with what I've been through, I know I couldn't do it again :-\  It was a really testing and upsetting time.  How old is Tali now?  Odie is more or less sorted now (bar the odd accident) and he will be 6 months on Monday.  He wees on command (I use 'toilet Odie' and I know more or less when he's due a poo.  BUT it has taken hours and hours of watching, waiting and anticipating when he wanted/needed to toilet so I understand how it's getting you down.  Hopefully things will improve with age (everyone always says so) and I'm beginning to think they were right! :D  Best of luck.  Lesley
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2010, 03:12:23 PM »
Thank you all for your replies. Yes my cue commands are "do wees" and "do toilets", which has happened from the beginning. I've just spend 2 and a half hours outside after talking with a friend of mine who has five dogs currently but has had many more, some as puppies and others as very disturbed rescues. She made a suggestion thus, give him a food he will wolf down, such as the Nature Diet I gave him when he was teething. Then when he's finished feed some more and a few treats too. Then just take him outside and walk him round, play and play the waiting game. Well he managed one wee after a hour then nothing. I came upstairs for a wee and so did he, d'oh! However, the poop is still brewing. He's currently spark out but give it until he awakes then straight downstairs with him. Once he's finally performed she agreed with the suggestion of leaving one in the longer grass to get him in the mood. She obviously does not agree with slight over feeding long term but just for a few days to have a little more control over being able to second guess him. As long as we dodge the showers we are ok! BTW he's only 21 and a half weeks old, so I know he's still young but he'll be happier if he gets the hang of this quicker. He's doing amazingly well in other ways.

Nicola: I'll give that a try. Sometimes he goes an hour or two without a wee and at others two or three an hour.
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 04:22:54 PM »
Well it worked he did it!  :D
It's now been strategically placed in the long grass area which is a bit of scrub land. He got in a right tizzy. Kept trying to get me to go home and I just sat on the bench. Then he started the pant, I recognised this from Keli and just kept repeating the cue. He went to go then got distracted by a bird then finally went. He seemed quite embarrassed but he got tons of praise and we went off to put it on the scrub land. It's taken nearly 4hrs of him sitting in the grounds mouching around and playing. He's spark out again.
We did have an accident as I was putting on my shoes so it didn't go 100% but it's a step forward.
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 04:53:59 PM »
Even more success! Tali started getting worked up when I'd just finished the last post so I took him down. He raced over to his now marked spot, had a good sniff, took half a dozen steps and wee'd! I know it's only the beginning but it's such a great feeling when they finally manage it, even if we have a few slip ups.  :005:
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 05:41:39 PM »
Oh well done you for your patience and Tali for being a star  :banana: :luv:  Small steps I know, but they must feel like giant ones!  Lesley  :D
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 05:49:31 PM »
Yipeeee!! Well done Mel - it really is a test of patience isn't it!! We'll put the "This-has-REALLY-tested-my-patience-and-I-deserve-a-BIG-FAT-BAR-OF-CHOCOLATE voucher in the post to you!!"  :shades:
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 07:10:49 PM »
Yipeeee!! Well done Mel - it really is a test of patience isn't it!! We'll put the "This-has-REALLY-tested-my-patience-and-I-deserve-a-BIG-FAT-BAR-OF-CHOCOLATE voucher in the post to you!!"  :shades:

Can I have one of those please PLUS one for a few bottles of wine :005: :005:
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 08:18:47 PM »
I might trade that in for an ice cream voucher.  :005:

However Taliesin has spent the evening attempting to savage me and it's been a battle of wills this evening  >:D >:D
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 09:24:30 PM »
Odie has 'moments' every day when the  >:D gets in him too.  He will bark, snarl and bite me (not OH though) >:(  I assume this is all part of growing up and testing boundaries (and my patience :shades:)!
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Re: Toiletting advice please
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2010, 10:43:47 PM »
Oh yes I can remember the boundary pushing with Keli though he was always a pretty gentle soul.

Another wee success and one failure this evening but one day at a time. He's completely sparko now though. I think I'm gonna sleep well tonight too  :005:
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