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Offline SteveGL

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Walking to heel.
« on: December 21, 2011, 08:18:52 PM »
I am finding it really hard to get Davey,a 6 M.o.cocker to walk consistently to heel. She always wants to be slightly in front of me,this is fine for awhile but if she gets too far and I call her back,she will dash off and  run around in circles as fast as possible. If I ignore this she will hurl herself at me (not aggressively) and will then roll around on the ground biting grass or leaves. She always calms down eventually,and then becomes well behaved,although if I put her lead back on she will bite it and keep pulling with her teeth. I hope she will grow out of this,or should it be addressed now.I am training her to work.

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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 11:10:22 PM »
Play ball or fetch with your dog first ...to ware Him/her down...

At first i started to do the tight lead(when the dog started to pull on the lead)I would stop and turn around...And walk in the opposite direction....I have also tried a few other ways and found this way the best...Also tried the holter...

At the sit position(left side) I use a slip lead others may work different to me and use the normal lead(every one to there own)

..At sit i use a treat(one that will last a bit) in my hand i offer the treat down to my hip so the dogs head can start to mouth it(and say walk on ) as hes/she walking along at heel(praise there a dog in the silly tone of doggy voice) ....And go on from there just let him mouth the treat at the end of twenty feet or so stop sit to heel and give him the rest of treat....High voice praise and another treat

Please also note as your dog is small you may have to drop your arm futher down from the hip position to get your dog to get at the treat...To walk to heel...

P.S. one of the trainers on C.O.L says every dog is different and the way people train there dogs(i agree)...please do not exspet miracles with your dog some dogs are quicker to learn than others.... never give up giving up :D

If you do try this let me know..How you get on...





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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 11:38:36 AM »

We have recently started using a new method at the puppy classes I help at, which is proving very effective.

Step 1.  Have a clicker and a handful of treats.... attach lead to collar - lead should be in a nice "J" shape (so completely loose, hanging down).
Decide which side you want dog to walk on (eventually) - if you want him on your left, hold everything in your right hand (lead over wrist, clicker and handful of treats in hand) - use your left hand to retrieve one treat at a time after clicking.
Have dog infront of you, step backwards - if he chooses to follow, click and treat.... repeat many many times.

Step 2.  Once he has the hang of following you, do 2-3 steps backwards (clicking and treating), then turn, so that dog is in a heel position on your left - click and treat.  Then return to being infront of dog and repeat this stage many many times.

Step 3.  Short walks on lead in a low distraction environment - Literally just about 10 metres at first - and you should be getting at least 10 click/treats into those 10 metres - try not to click/treat absolutely regularly, so allow one slightly longer gap at some point, so dog has to keep concentrating on you.  In the initial stages you will be click/treating virtually constantly - don't progress too quickly, as one of the main issues people have with clicker training loose lead walking is that the dog walks nicely, grabs the treat and then pulls ahead - if you are click/treating often enough there shouldn't be time.

Step 4.  Gradually build up on this - so slightly longer between rewards in the same environment, introduce more distractions (with a high pace of reward), keep it going for longer.... don't build too quickly - and if you are taking it to a new environment, initially go right back to step one to build those foundations (you shouldn't need to repeat them as often).  I think the major reason people struggle with loose lead walking (and I do - we use a T-Touch harness) is that they do the basics, and then jump to wanting perfect walking, missing out the middle steps of strengthening the behaviour.

If at any point the lead pulls tight, just stop and wait for dog to look at you - if he's utterly distracted, make some noise to attract his attention (but don't just keep repeating his name!).
Make sure you give constant feedback - especially when you are fading out the treats - tell him how clever he is constantly.

It's hard work - and can take months to perfect - but it's worth it!!!

While training is in progress, never ever let him pull on her collar and lead - if you are going somewhere and can't keep to the training, use a harness (or drive and let her off-lead immediately).  The harness won't necessarily stop him pulling, but it will stop him learning that he can pull on the collar.
Also never pull the dog - the rule is that the lead must be in a "J" shape - it doesn't matter who does the pulling, this still breaks the rule!!!

I wouldn't use a slip lead on a dog who pulled, especially not a young dog, as it can damage delicate neck muscles if it tightens suddenly... I do use a slip lead for convenience for agility etc, where I want to be able to get the lead on and off quickly, but I use a harness for normal walking so that Honey doesn't have to walk to perfect heel throughout and is free to sniff a little on our way to the woods.  We also keep up loose lead walking on a collar and lead when training.  :D
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 11:45:34 AM »

Or, looking back at your post, are you talking walking to heel off-lead?

At 6 months, I wouldn't be expecting prolonged heelwork off lead.... you can walk along with a handful of treats or a toy and encourage a few steps, then reward and release your pup to go sniff for a bit.... gradually build up, keeping it fun and rewarding - you want your pup to WANT to walk at heel...  ;)

Alternatively you can train your pup to target the side of your leg with his shoulder - this is trained and established in a stationary position, then movement can be gradually introduced once he's confident on the target.  To do this it can help to train a hand target first so you can guide him into the right position, and encourage him to be looking at you....
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 12:55:41 PM »
My personal trainer also said he would NOT use a slip lead or a chaine on a dog that pulls...But there are some cases that he does....

But he said...

Slip leads are one of the most common and effective tools used in obedience training for dogs.





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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 01:09:32 PM »
http://www.apdt.co.uk/halfcheckcollars.asp

I'll go with the apdt on this.

Slip leads have their place, but not for loose lead training.
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 04:54:51 PM »
http://www.apdt.co.uk/halfcheckcollars.asp

I'll go with the apdt on this.

Slip leads have their place, but not for loose lead training.
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I am not going to argue the point ...

There is a lot for and against the use of slip leads..in all fields of training..





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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 08:08:58 PM »
Just type in u tube (walking to heel)...and see what comes up you will be amazed


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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 08:30:59 PM »

Unfortunately anyone can post to YouTube, so while there will be some good examples there, there will also be very poor examples....

If you are looking for YouTube training videos, I can highly recommend any by "Kikopup"... not sure if they have done a walking to heel one, but I would be suprised if they haven't.  But all the videos I have seen of theirs have been very well recorded - clear explanations, step-by-step demonstrations and purely positive training methods.  :D
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 11:58:21 PM »
Unfortunately anyone can post to YouTube, so while there will be some good examples there, there will also be very poor examples....

Just like books and links that you read good exsaples and bad ones :D ;)





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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 05:21:22 PM »
i'll second Karma's Kiko pup suggestions and also the method she describes

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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 05:52:47 PM »
I work my dogs and they hardly ever wear collars, I always use slip leads but not when I'm teaching a puppy to walk on the lead. The last thing I want to do is choke them and/or damage their neck and throat with a tightening slip lead so it's a flat collar until they've got the hang of it. I find it easier to teach them to heel off lead than on though, to begin with I use treats to lure them to the correct position and lots of changes of pace and direction to keep the focus and playing to keep their attention on me and keep them near me - basically I make an idiot of myself :005: like this -  http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa141/workingcockers/Caoimhe/IMG_3079.jpg

At 6 months old I wouldn't be expecting consistently perfect heelwork though, with my dogs at that age (Caoimhe was around 6 months in that photo) it was an ongoing thing with a lot of repetition and I also kept all training sessions short so they didn't get a chance to get overwrought, bored or distracted. I wouldn't worry too much about the biting on the lead, Caoimhe used to do this occasionally if she was starting to get a bit wound up, I just distracted her away from it.
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 06:42:19 PM »
Some really useful advice there . Thanks.Maybe I am expecting too much too early.The main problem is off the lead, as she has her nose permanently to the ground! She often stops or moves sideways to check out a scent,and after a few times of calling her back in or scolding she will turn to the mad adolescent behaviour. I am hoping she will grow out of this,but I want to avoid it becoming a habit,and learning that she can get the better of me.

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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2011, 08:44:06 PM »

Don't keep calling her or scolding her.
You need to get her to want to be with you... repeating her name will just make her tune out to it, and scolding her is not going to encourage her to want to be with you.

Keep it short, keep it fun, and work on being fun and someone your pup wants to be with!  :D
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Re: Walking to heel.
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 10:05:20 AM »
The mad adolescent stuff is probably a stress reaction to you scolding her, if she likes to sniff you could use sniffing as a reward, certainly works for some dogs.

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