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Offline mkidd

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Been working on Maisy's (6 months old) recall a lot lately and she is coming along really well. She will come back when called everytime, apart from when other dogs are around when she will just totally switch off and ignore me and wander off with them.....

I thought we were getting somewhere as for the past week she has had a play with a few dogs and then come away when i called her, but this morning she went off to play with another dog and literally wandered off a few hundred yards with it and i had to walk after her to get her attention to come back to me.

Is it just a chase of keeping pushing on with the training and one day it will all fall into place or is there something i can do to help this along?

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 10:49:50 AM »
Diesel is 8 months - Has excellent recall on his own and excellent recall when walking with other dogs - he will get distracted when he see's other dogs but i dont stop or make a fuss - just smile and keep on walking and diesel will follow as he sees im not hanging about - however with some really friendly playful dogs he will go deaf
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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 10:58:53 AM »
Have you considered using a whistle? Max's recall is a bit selective when I call him using his name but with the whistle he comes every time even when playing with other dogs. The only issue with this is that i worry what I'd do if I lost my whistle!!!! I used Top Barks method - it is fantastic.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 11:05:03 AM »
Diesel is half way through this training so i can use the whistle yet when he isnt paying attention as he has to respond to it everytime just now but the recall he has with half way through training is excellent
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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 12:01:40 PM »
Have you considered using a whistle? Max's recall is a bit selective when I call him using his name but with the whistle he comes every time even when playing with other dogs. The only issue with this is that i worry what I'd do if I lost my whistle!!!! I used Top Barks method - it is fantastic.

I am 10 days into Top Barks' recall training and Maisy is responding well to that. I was thinking that she may "hear" the whistle better than me calling her name so hopefully this will help.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 12:05:50 PM »
Personally, at the moment i wouldnt even call her when she is playing with other dogs.  Walk over to her with a high value treat and let her see it, and wait till she comes to you.  Believe me, i know from experience how difficult it can be to distract them, but whilst you are calling her and she is ignoring you, you are actually training her to ignore you.

If you dont have time for her to play with other dogs, then i would put her on a lead when you see them and keep reward her when she looks at you rather than the dogs.

She is coming upto "that age" as well, so the more you can do to have a successful recall most of the time the better.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 12:58:49 PM »

Great advice from black taz.  :shades:
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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 02:45:13 PM »
Personally, at the moment i wouldnt even call her when she is playing with other dogs.  Walk over to her with a high value treat and let her see it, and wait till she comes to you.  Believe me, i know from experience how difficult it can be to distract them, but whilst you are calling her and she is ignoring you, you are actually training her to ignore you.

If you dont have time for her to play with other dogs, then i would put her on a lead when you see them and keep reward her when she looks at you rather than the dogs.

She is coming upto "that age" as well, so the more you can do to have a successful recall most of the time the better.

Good idea. This morning it didnt help that the chap with the other dog just walked off in the opposite direction and kept walking while i was clearly trying to catch him up to get Maisy back!

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 02:55:49 PM »
Have you considered using a whistle? Max's recall is a bit selective when I call him using his name but with the whistle he comes every time even when playing with other dogs. The only issue with this is that i worry what I'd do if I lost my whistle!!!! I used Top Barks method - it is fantastic.

I am 10 days into Top Barks' recall training and Maisy is responding well to that. I was thinking that she may "hear" the whistle better than me calling her name so hopefully this will help.

The time scale on the plan is not set in stone,it takes as long as it does, I think the other key element to any recall is to make yourself as fun as possible on walks, these days i have problems making my lot actually go away from me as i do work really hard on providing as much entertainment for my lot when we are out. My puppy went through lots of ups and downs with recall, seemed to get it really well early on as we started at 8 weeks but as he got older we had a few blips, at thirteen months it's come right again.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 04:46:42 PM »
The time scale on the plan is not set in stone,it takes as long as it does, I think the other key element to any recall is to make yourself as fun as possible on walks, these days i have problems making my lot actually go away from me as i do work really hard on providing as much entertainment for my lot when we are out. My puppy went through lots of ups and downs with recall, seemed to get it really well early on as we started at 8 weeks but as he got older we had a few blips, at thirteen months it's come right again.

I will try this a bit more. At the moment we play fetch a lot, but would welcome any tips on ways to make it a bit more fun!?

Just back from a walk as well where Maisy disappeared after another dog and again i had to chase her down...twice in one day, fun!

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 05:18:37 PM »
have you used a long line before?

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 05:27:31 PM »
No as I always felt that this would restrict her on her walks, but if it will help with the recall (and ignoring other dogs) then it will be worth a shot.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2011, 04:34:52 AM »
I thought we were getting somewhere as for the past week she has had a play with a few dogs and then come away when i called her, but this morning she went off to play with another dog and literally wandered off a few hundred yards with it and i had to walk after her to get her attention to come back to me.

Is it just a chase of keeping pushing on with the training and one day it will all fall into place or is there something i can do to help this along?

I was taught that one should make 3 things clear to a dog so that they will come when called:
 
Number 1: good things happen when you come (praise/food/toys). 
Number 2: bad things happen when you don't come (game over/no food/no toys/etc...).
Number 3: Coming when called doesn't necessarily mean that you can't go back to what you were originally doing in the first place.

Perhaps your dog is beginning to fail to come when called off playing with other dogs, because she's learned that when you call the game is over? 

I randomly call my dogs when playing with other dogs or with each other, but allow them to return to their play so that they never get it into their heads that I'm the one always putting an end to their fun and games.

Personally, I train my dogs to completely ignore other dogs on a short lead before progressing to ignoring them on a long line and eventually to off-lead obedience.  It's so much more difficult to train for appropriate behaviors once a dog has made a habit of doing something like running off after strange dogs.  A long line give your more control when training and makes it so that the always dog succeeds in recall training even if it's only because you're guiding her back in.

A reliable recall is never something that just falls into place or something a dog grows into.  It's something you have to work on from day one and reinforce every day of a dog's life.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2011, 06:01:43 AM »
Quote...A long line give your more control when training and makes it so that the always dog succeeds in recall training even if it's only because you're guiding her back in.


I find this the best at the moment..As you can guide your dog in by the lead if he/she starts to wonder...And has said (use your silly voice also to guide your dog back....(make it a game) that your dog will enjoy.....





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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2011, 07:22:34 AM »
Thanks so much for the advice everyone. I will implement immediately.

One quick Q on long lines. Should the line just flail behind the dog or should I be holding one end of it? Assume if it is left to flail the the dog has to be kept within a close vacinity so I can grab the line if required, otherwise it kind of defeats the object?