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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2011, 07:36:42 AM »
Guide it back in..by gently retrieving the line....

No do not let the line trail behind....






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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2011, 09:05:13 AM »
So hold the end of the line at all times and pick up the slack? Will Maisy not just feel like she is on a lead walk the whole time?

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2011, 09:09:35 AM »
and sorry for the constant questions, but was looking at long line online last night and there are all sorts of different techniques to use them and the most common one was to simply let the lead drag behind the dog and only pick it up if necessary to help a recall or prevent chasing other dogs. Just want to get it 100% right moving forwards.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2011, 09:09:46 AM »
You can leave it trailing and step on the end as she runs past.... just make sure dog is wearing a harness so you don't jerk the neck.

It would be rather dangerous to keep hold of a longline while a dog was actually playing, as you'd get tied up in 3 seconds flat!!!  :005:
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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2011, 11:03:37 AM »
I give up...

One says..You can leave it trailing and step on the end as she runs past.... .

And i say another its very miss leading...To the person..in Question

May be diferent the way you go about after all you are the exspert!!!

With the lead trailing behind the poor dog.... The dog thinks there is some thing draging behind him very misleading  for the poor animal....











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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2011, 11:39:50 AM »
personally i find holding the line is more dangerous not only to yourself but potential to your dog and other humans/dogs.

Last year when Kira hurt her shoulder, once she could have a bit more freedom i put her on a long line with a harness to give her a bit more freedom but held it so she couldnt go to fast, unfortunately she went faster than i expected and finished up jerking her shoulder again and put her recovering back another couple of weeks.  Also had a couple of cases where it got wrapped round me/other people.  Now if i need to use it i let it trail

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2011, 12:18:52 PM »
personally i find holding the line is more dangerous not only to yourself but potential to your dog and other humans/dogs.

Last year when Kira hurt her shoulder, once she could have a bit more freedom i put her on a long line with a harness to give her a bit more freedom but held it so she couldnt go to fast, unfortunately she went faster than i expected and finished up jerking her shoulder again and put her recovering back another couple of weeks.  Also had a couple of cases where it got wrapped round me/other people.  Now if i need to use it i let it trail


That's why i said to retrieve the line in at the same time...Thus it would not hurt the dog nor jerk the dog....when retrieving the line back in...But to keep your dog steadily coming back to you...






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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2011, 03:46:08 PM »
When I followed Top Barks recall thread I had a 10m long line and generally let it trail along the ground but with me keeping near the end to use if I needed to reel him in when i whistled him. Having said that he was at the age where we stayed fairly close to eachother. I did think it seemed quite heavy for him to drag along so probably made him run a bit slower. If she is going to run off quite a distance then I think you may need to keep hold of the end until recall is relieable.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2011, 04:22:08 PM »
All trainers train different to others theres never two the same and no dowt others trainers will criticize others in the way they train animals....

I could go on to say my trainer is a top man in his field and no dowt there will all ways be some else that will criticize in his methereds in the way he trains dogs..So its always going to be a no win.. situation..

The same with books one would argue the point as to who is the best writer of books..Some one will always say diferent!!

Try one of Victoria ..it has squirrels in for the recall.. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZPwZjipS0 even





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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2011, 10:54:32 AM »
So hold the end of the line at all times and pick up the slack? Will Maisy not just feel like she is on a lead walk the whole time?

I would let it trail.... as you say, she cannot behave as if off lead when it is being held, and she would not be able to play with other dogs, so that defeats the purpose...
This is how the long line is used for this purpose (recall away from other dogs) at the training school we use.  In other situations it may be appropriate to hold the line (if you are setting up a known chase/aggression situation so you want immediate control, for example) but for general use it is normally advised that you leave the line trailing - it just means you have 10metres of rope to grab hold of to guide your dog back in once you need to stop play rather than having to try and grab the dog (which turns into a fantastic game of chase for your dog!).

The video Seaangler linked to is a lovely illustration of not moving too fast when training a recall command - when the dogs were distracted by the squirrel, the owner was advised not to even attempt to call the dogs, but wait until they were going to be receptive again...  :D

Yes, some dogs behave differently on a long-line (Honey is one of them) and if you have a dog that behaves perfectly on a long-line but turns deaf the second it is removed, many people on here have had success with gradually chopping 1 foot off the end of the line every few days so the dog doesn't realise the weight is reducing.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 10:12:27 AM »
good suggestions from Karma re shortening the line, however you could also try a lighter line as well.
Alfie spent around 6 months dragging a line round, but I have realized it is what you do with your dog when they are with you that is so important.

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Re: Maisy's recall is great, apart from when separating from other dogs....!
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2011, 11:17:29 AM »
Well thanks to everyone for the info. Extremely useful, as expected!

I have already started to "play" much more with Maisy when we are out on walks (fetch, hiding her dummy in undergrowth, hide & seek) and she is already responding well to this and is looking to me much more during the walk. Hopefully with time this will help with her separation from other dogs (not seen any since my first post...). Had to convert an old bag into a toy carrier as my coat pockets were getting absolutely filthy though...!

Have also ordered a long line and harness for her to help with this aspect of the training.