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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2011, 01:30:05 PM »
Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?

I am personally interested as Flo  is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition  :-\



Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:

I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.

He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2011, 03:29:54 PM »
Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?

I am personally interested as Flo  is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition  :-\



Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:

I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.

He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
That's great to hear, it is so rare that vets do comprehensive tests eventhough it's the only thing that will diagnose hypothyrodism accurately.  :D
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2011, 03:32:35 PM »
Not trying to be controversial here, I am not a breeder, but if a thyroid problem is diagnosed, will you still be using him for stud?

I am personally interested as Flo  is hypothyroid and I have recently discovered that one of her daughters also has this condition  :-\



Need to see what the vet says before I decide where to go from here. I will have to give hm some of my pills as I have an underactive thyroid :005:

I hope your vet is doing a comprehensive test as this is the only test that shows antibodies. If he has antibodies (T3 aor T4) , then he should not be bred from as he would have autoimmune thyroiditis which is inheritable.

He is having the full test done. I would not breed any dog if there was the slightest chance he would pass on a problem.
That's great to hear, it is so rare that vets do comprehensive tests eventhough it's the only thing that will diagnose hypothyrodism accurately.  :D



My vet knows better than to cut corners with my dogs. All my dogs have been fully health tested they are AA and have clear eye certs.
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2011, 12:25:10 PM »
My vet knows better than to cut corners with my dogs. All my dogs have been fully health tested they are AA and have clear eye certs.
It's not so much about cutting corners, it's more the fact that a lot of vets actually don't know how to test thyroid properly (and then to interpret it properly)! I rarely come across vets that do a comprehensive test (which is the only test that can diagnose it accurately), so it's a breath of fresh air to come across a vet that does... and perhaps even more importantly a breeder that does too.  ;)
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2011, 07:37:51 PM »
hi LG-fancy seeing you here :005:

hope the tests all go well Lynne and you get some answers for your boy :)

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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2011, 09:03:37 AM »
Hi, any results in yet?  Having been in the same situation as you a few years ago with my boy showing no signs of interest in any in season bitch I'm just interested in what your vet thinks could be the problem, if there is one.  We used to joke and say he was gay  :005:

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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2011, 09:30:25 AM »
Well nothing showed in the blood test, so I really do not know what to do.  :o
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2011, 10:12:09 AM »
We used to joke and say he was gay  :005:

I'm pretty sure my Dallas is  :005:  He's 9 in October and has never shown any interest - even with one bitch who was flaunting herself in his face  :lol2:

Maybe Zen doesn't want to be a daddy - he maybe sees himself as a carefree bachelor, the George Clooney of cocker spaniels  :005:  I imagine it would be frustrating though if he is part of your breeding plans.
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2011, 10:20:43 AM »
My girls used to stand right in his face, tail flagged right over their backs, basically pushing themselves into his face, he used to just walk away  :huh:  We ended up having him neutered and he's still living with my mother in law, he's coming up 10 now and never showed any interest in girls or boys  :shades:

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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2011, 10:24:59 AM »
Well nothing showed in the blood test, so I really do not know what to do.  :o

Sorry you didn't get a positive outcome, it's very frustrating when things don't go to plan.

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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2011, 10:30:13 AM »
We used to joke and say he was gay  :005:

I'm pretty sure my Dallas is  :005:  He's 9 in October and has never shown any interest - even with one bitch who was flaunting herself in his face  :lol2:

Maybe Zen doesn't want to be a daddy - he maybe sees himself as a carefree bachelor, the George Clooney of cocker spaniels  :005:  I imagine it would be frustrating though if he is part of your breeding plans.

So frustrating :016: The cost has been enormous, buying him, flying him from Essex to Scotland, health tests (he is AA) and all this to introduce new lines and what does he do ......sod all >:D

Will wait to see what happens when Phoebe comes in season.
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2011, 10:33:24 AM »
Is there such a thing as doggy 'viagra'. :005:

Lynne, I know how frustrating this must be for you. In goldens we have seminars about most things including stud dogs. Do you know any well respected successful stud dog owners you can seek advice from?


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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2011, 10:50:39 AM »
How old is your boy?  Dylan was 2 when he sired his first litter, we took him to a stud dog owner who had lots of experience and she managed their first mating, 48 hours later she said to try them again and if we needed any help we were welcome to go back, luckily Dylan is a natural (bit too natural at times  >:(  ) he managed his second mating with me and my husband very close by.

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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2011, 11:54:41 AM »
I have read that some dogs just have no interest and there was a dog who mated bitches but wasn't producing any sperm  :-\.
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Re: Useless stud dog
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2011, 02:09:06 PM »
I have read that some dogs just have no interest and there was a dog who mated bitches but wasn't producing any sperm  :-\.

Gee thanks............. :-\



Actually he does have live sperm, thank god :banana: so I suppose that's one thing to be thankful for
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