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Cocker Specific Discussion => General Cocker Spaniel Discussion => Topic started by: Rhona W on June 13, 2006, 04:05:07 PM
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I have been meaning to buy dog tags for ages, but I'm not sure what to put on them. I know it has to be owner's name and address. But my OH and I have different names (I refused to change mine when we got married just to annoy my MIL but that's another story!). So do we put one or both? Or one each since we have 2 dogs! And is it christian, surname or both?
And do you have to put full address or will house number and postcode do?
And what about phone number? House, mobile or none.
And do you have your dog's name on your tag? We were advised not to, so that strangers couldn't call them.
So just wondered what everyone else had written on theirs.
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We have our surname home and mobile number and the fact that they are microchipped. I definitely wouldn't put the dogs name on it. Just enough so they can get returned (hopefully they'll never ned it). We thought the mircochip thing was good so a vet knows straight away and keeps looking for it.
HTH
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I have dog's name and my phone number. Don't want my home address on it too for security reasons! And she is chipped anyway so anyone legit can find out the full info. Reading the last reply however, I am thinking I shouldn't really have her name on it either! Maybe next time I will have my phone no and a note saying chipped, please scan me or something like that.
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On Alfie's tag I have my surname, my mobile number, my house phone number and that he is chipped. My address wouldn't fit on it and I didn't put his name on it because I think it would be easier for someone else to claim ownership if they knew the name the dog responded to. I figure if he ever goes missing I'll be out frantically searching for him so the mobile number is probably the most useful one.
Myself and OH have different surnames too as we're not married but mine is shorter and easier (he's Polish and his is impossible! :005:) so we agreed to use my name on all stuff to do with Alfie - his tags, insurance, KC reg, vet records, microchip records etc. just for consistency... plus if it ever goes Pete Tong with OH then Alfie is mine!! :005: ;)
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I have her name and my phone number, I think there are far more good natured people than bad (well it doesn't always seem that way, but good things go unreported ;)) So I would sooner, have her name on, then not atall, at least if someone gets hold of her but she manages to escape again, they can call her back :D Shes microhipped too :shades:
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We've got her name, our address and our home and mobile number. I'd never even thought of putting our name on it........
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Max has his name, our home number and postcode on his, he is chipped but it doesn't say so, i never thought putting his name on it was a bad thing but maybe it is? :huh:
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We have our surname and home phone no. also mobile phone no.
plus written on the other side is ... I am microchipped and Neutered so no value to thieves ... even though Molly and Georgie are not neutered yet we still had that put on, whether it's a deterrent or not to thieves who knows, I hope so!
Plus they have their microchip tag with contact no.
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I'd never even thought of putting our name on it........
Owner's name and address is a legal requirement.
... plus if it ever goes Pete Tong with OH then Alfie is mine!! :005: ;)
Just asked OH whose name we should put. He said, "Put yours because if you ever leave me, you'll take the dogs anyway!" :o So glad we've got that sorted from the start. I think I'll leave him the kids though! :005:
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i need to get some new tags then :huh:
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i need to get some new tags then :huh:
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I just checked the Kennel Club website and it looks like Alfie needs a new one too so thanks for that Rhona! I might actually have to get him two as I can't fit my name, both phone numbers, my address and that he's chipped onto just one.. It would have to be a mega tag! :005:
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My dogs have tags with my phone number on one side & my address on the other side. I have never had my dogs' names on their tags because someone told me years ago that they were more likely to get stolen if a potential thief knew their names. Somehow that theory falls apart though because when we're out & about, anyone only needs to listen to me & they will soon learn my dogs' names. I also think that if they were lost, they would find it reassuring if someone called them by their names. It must be horrible being a lost dog & not being able to find your mummy, & then being called "Doggy" by everyone because they don't know your name :'(. I think I will get some new tags & put their names on, although I have no intention of losing either of them ;)
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Ours have our home phone number, mobile number, ' i am micro-chipped' and on the reverse our vets number and our surname
Tracey Blue and Charlie
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It may be a legal requirement to have address on but I am not going to! >:( Have always been worried about potential burglar having phone no and address and phoning first to check you are out before coming to burgle!! Even more paranoid nowadays when dog theft is so common. >:D So, as far as I am concerned, my phone number would enable someone to contact me if Coco was lost, my ansafone message has my mobile number on it if I am out and if dog is taken to police station then she can be scanned to get address etc. if necessary.
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Mine have my surname, address and postcode, landline and mobile number, vets name, address and phone number and that they are microcipped - think that just about covers everyting ::) :005:
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We had to get legally correct tags when Tilly took her Kennel Club Good Citizen's tests. You have to have a legal tag to take the test. We put her name and our surname, plus our address and home phone number (the latter is not a legal requirement, nor is her name). She also has tag from when she was chipped: "I have been microchipped, please scan me". The two tags make a pretty clinking noise when she moves and when she disappears into the woods I find it reassuring to hear her clinking, even if I can't see her :lol:.
I don't think knowing her name would be any advantage to thieves (she would happily run to anyone who showed her any interest, whatever they called her ::) ) and if she was lost she might find it comforting to be called by her real name by whoever found her.
Sue and Tilly
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Mine have dogs first name and surname and our home phone number they are also chipped.
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Beau has one with his name, my surname, house number, postcode, home number and 'microchipped' (even though he's not actually microchipped yet but he will be by the time we start going out and about!)
My aunties dogs have 'Reward' and her mobile numbers on theirs. There was a big sign at the engravers telling you what had to be on the tag...I just didn't bother to read it ph34r
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It may be a legal requirement to have address on but I am not going to! >:( Have always been worried about potential burglar having phone no and address and phoning first to check you are out before coming to burgle!! Even more paranoid nowadays when dog theft is so common. >:D So, as far as I am concerned, my phone number would enable someone to contact me if Coco was lost, my ansafone message has my mobile number on it if I am out and if dog is taken to police station then she can be scanned to get address etc. if necessary.
Police stations don't usually scan for microchips - they often just hand the dogs over to the local pound - who don't have to scan them, or even try and contact the owners, either ::) If the dog isn't claimed in seven days, it can be put up for rehoming :(
Molo did the KC Puppy Award - so he had to have a legally correct tag, and still has the same one ;); the classes we have just started are provided by the local Council , so I expect the tags will be checked carefully there, too :005:
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what sort of tags do you all have, as Indie's tag isn't big enough to have his address on as well as name, telephone number and microchipped writtend on it. I went to Timpson's the other day to look at pet tags and all they will put on is dog's name and telephone number.
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Police stations don't usually scan for microchips - they often just hand the dogs over to the local pound - who don't have to scan them, or even try and contact the owners, either ::) If the dog isn't claimed in seven days, it can be put up for rehoming :(
They would only need to scan for the microchip if she has lost her collar as they would presumably use the phone number first! ;) Anyway, if she was lost I would certainly have contacted the pound/police and everyone else I expect! I'm still not happy to have my address on her tag - nothing to stop someone looking at the address and coming round to pinch her later! >:(
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Daisy and Dill have the 'waterproof capsule' from here (http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/Cat/123429?Ref=) they also recall to the whistle (sometimes ::) ) I then put a piece of paper with all the info printed on inside it - as you can see from this it takes some wear :005: :005: :005:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b173/sarahperkins81/CIMG0334.jpg)
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Police stations don't usually scan for microchips - they often just hand the dogs over to the local pound - who don't have to scan them, or even try and contact the owners, either ::) If the dog isn't claimed in seven days, it can be put up for rehoming :(
They would only need to scan for the microchip if she has lost her collar as they would presumably use the phone number first! ;) Anyway, if she was lost I would certainly have contacted the pound/police and everyone else I expect! I'm still not happy to have my address on her tag - nothing to stop someone looking at the address and coming round to pinch her later! >:(
We didn't want to put our address on ours either for similar reasons we checked with the class we take ours to and they said address isn't important providing you have contact numbers, though now I am going to ring the KC tomorrow for correct info.
Saturday Molly passed her Bronze and Silver KC good citizen dog scheme, and Georgie was also entered in Bronze with said i.d tags .... both tags were checked on the day by two officials and previous to that at the training classes we attend....
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We've got Max's name, our address & mobile no. & the fact that he's chipped - just about fits!! :005:
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Snoopy just got his name and our contact numbers on his, but after reading all the other information I guess I'm off to the engravers for more information to be put onto new tags :005:
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The dogs name and our phone number
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what sort of tags do you all have, as Indie's tag isn't big enough to have his address on as well as name, telephone number and microchipped writtend on it. I went to Timpson's the other day to look at pet tags and all they will put on is dog's name and telephone number.
I got Molo's from the KC - there was a flier in with his KC Registration documentation ;) Its bone shaped, and has our surname/address (first line and postcode) on one side, and my home and mobile nos on the other. It was expensive compared to local engravers and the Jolleys machine - but it still going strong two years later. I remember we had to replace Shebas on a regular basis ::)
I also have tags made up when we go on holiday with her - mobile number, plus a the address where we stay and a land line number (usual a friend or family member living nearby) - we get these done at the local engraver; its cheaper :005:
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Phone number and address - he is microchipped too though. I thought that was enough?
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Mine just have my landline no. and mobile no. on one side and 'I'm microchipped and neutered' on the other side. Our dog warden said that was sufficient as I could be contacted whatever.
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Phone number and address - he is microchipped too though. I thought that was enough?
The law states "name and address of the owner"; so if a Council wanted to get really picky, they could seize your dog and treat it like a stray if it had a tag without this on - although I doubt this has ever actually happened if a dog is under control and has a tag with some form of owner identification on :-\
linky (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1992/Uksi_19920901_en_1.htm) ::)
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Police stations don't usually scan for microchips - they often just hand the dogs over to the local pound - who don't have to scan them, or even try and contact the owners, either ::) If the dog isn't claimed in seven days, it can be put up for rehoming :(
They would only need to scan for the microchip if she has lost her collar as they would presumably use the phone number first! ;) Anyway, if she was lost I would certainly have contacted the pound/police and everyone else I expect! I'm still not happy to have my address on her tag - nothing to stop someone looking at the address and coming round to pinch her later! >:(
Same here, and also I live alone and if I was out looking I would have my mobile with me so I can be reached (and even if someone calls my home phone it can be linked to my mobile).
Bit of advice though is if you do lose your dog apart from informing the police and dog warden who will note it on their registers, visit the kennels where strays are taken to as often as you can as it has been known for them not to be recorded properly!
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I've only got our surname and landline number on ours.
Think it's time for new tags!!
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what sort of tags do you all have, as Indie's tag isn't big enough to have his address on as well as name, telephone number and microchipped writtend on it. I went to Timpson's the other day to look at pet tags and all they will put on is dog's name and telephone number.
I have large oval ones from identitag (brass ones and plastic --- I carry spares on long walks just in case I lose them)
http://www.identitag.co.uk/Petidtag/index.htm (http://www.identitag.co.uk/Petidtag/index.htm)
If you can put a mobile no. on there as Ruby got lost twice one month (off on a binbag hunt ::)) and was picked up by passersby who rang me while I was out looking for her
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Bit of advice though is if you do lose your dog apart from informing the police and dog warden who will note it on their registers, visit the kennels where strays are taken to as often as you can as it has been known for them not to be recorded properly!
This is what I meant really, Penny - I think there have been people have been horrifed to discover that their dog has been rehomed despite being chipped/tagged - fortunately, theses cases are rare, but some of the marketing does make a microchip out to be fail-safe, and so instill a false sense of security :(
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Bit of advice though is if you do lose your dog apart from informing the police and dog warden who will note it on their registers, visit the kennels where strays are taken to as often as you can as it has been known for them not to be recorded properly!
This is what I meant really, Penny - I think there have been people have been horrifed to discover that their dog has been rehomed despite being chipped/tagged - fortunately, theses cases are rare, but some of the marketing does make a microchip out to be fail-safe, and so instill a false sense of security :(
Some pounds are on the sloppy side as well --- more than you think ::) Beware if you're on/near a border between authorities as its worth checking other areas as they don't share info.
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It may be a legal requirement to have address on but I am not going to! >:( Have always been worried about potential burglar having phone no and address and phoning first to check you are out before coming to burgle!! Even more paranoid nowadays when dog theft is so common. >:D So, as far as I am concerned, my phone number would enable someone to contact me if Coco was lost, my ansafone message has my mobile number on it if I am out and if dog is taken to police station then she can be scanned to get address etc. if necessary.
Police stations don't usually scan for microchips - they often just hand the dogs over to the local pound - who don't have to scan them, or even try and contact the owners, either ::) If the dog isn't claimed in seven days, it can be put up for rehoming :(
Sorry to contradict and I can only speak for my Constabulary, but we have a scanner in each Police Station that is equipped to recieve strays, (before they are collected by the pound). The chips are suppossed to be located in the same place however sometimes they can work there way down the leg, which can lead to them been missed. All our front desk staff are trained to use the scanner and the correct procedures if a chip is found. However one thing we do come across is that when the owner is contacted they decline to come and pick the dog up!
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Sorry to contradict and I can only speak for my Constabulary, but we have a scanner in each Police Station that is equipped to recieve strays, (before they are collected by the pound).
I know forces vary - but no stations here are equiped to take in strays at all ph34r
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Billy has two tags. One with his name, our address and land line number on it. The other one is a " petsafe" tag with a telephone number which is answered 24/7 365 ;)
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we only have mollys name and our home number on the other side
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Just to update that it is law to have your address on the tag
I rang the KC today and the first person I spoke to said it's not a good idea to put your address on it and as long as you have contact numbers it should be ok, as she was a bit vague on this I asked to speak to someone from the KC good citizen dog scheme who may know for definite and yes you have to include your address ... house name or no. is ok plus postcode so am now going to have that put on mine today ... no wonder it's a bit confusing when one says one thing and someone else says something else :-\ ..... I will have to fit it on the back of the microchip tag though as no room on the other one.
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Dyl's getting micro-chipped at the end of the month.
At the mo we have a barrel with his name, our address and a contact phone number but we want to "upgrade" to a nice engraved one when he's out of his puppy colour. I imagine we'll be putting his name on it as I think it's nicer and as said by someone else, having someone not know his name doesn't stop him from going over to say "hi".
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Funny you should mention www.identitag.co.uk, but Pringle lost her tag and I ordered a new one from them for the first time on Monday. Very impressed with the service. It arrived this morning, is nice and solid and well engraved and price was about the same as you would pay in a normal engraving place. I just had her name and our mobile number engraved on it.
She is also registered with Petback and wears their disc as well which gives a telephone number which is manned 24/7 and her registration number. She is also microchipped.
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On Indie's we have his name and our phone numbr - Hamish has an extra silver tag with ON MEDICATION on it, and the vets phon number.
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Police stations here takes strays in, and then will take them to th dog home or pound.
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Melly's tags have our surname, town, postcode, home fone number and Please Scan on them she's also got her microchip tag on too.
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Jem's tags all have my surname, the house number and postcode (as I didn't want to put my address on them) my home number, mobile number and m'chipped (as I was running out of room!).
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Our dogs have tags engraved at PAH with our surname, address, & home phone no.
They also have a separate tag saying that they are microchipped & "Please scan me" on them.
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How many of us actually leave the dogs collar on when they are indoors though? I do now but never used too, but one time a over a year ago one of the girls friends left the front door open and Indie ran away :'( Luckily she didn't go far and we found her within 10 minutes, but the main thing that was worrying me was she didn't have her collar with nametag on :o
I wonder how the tattoing works :huh: It may well be better than the microchips for instant recognisation, but does it hurt the dogs?
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How many of us actually leave the dogs collar on when they are indoors though?
I do.
I think tattoing is fine on some dogs but just wouldn't really work on hairy cockers --- also if some think microchipping hurts ::)
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ive got surname, address and telephone number on sasha was advised not to put dogs name on
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Snoopy only has his Collar off when he has a shower/bath, otherwise he has his collar on 24/7 as I wouldn't want to lose him when is outside playing in the garden or when he trys to escape from the front door when people call......... :005:
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I keep Alfie's collar on all the time as well because he's like greased lightning every time we open the front door and while he usually only runs into next door's garden (far more interesting than ours for some reason ::)) I still had horrible visions of him hightailing it over the horizon with no collar and tags on ph34r
I'm going to order him another tag today with my surname and address on it to go with the one he's already got with the phone numbers... the local squirrel population will feel safer now cos they'll be able to hear him coming a mile off with all the clinking! :005:
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My dogs also keep their collars on all the time. Not that it's much good at the minute because they haven't got tags on them!
I was going to buy (chav) St George's Cross bone shaped ones (so they matched the house and cars! ;) ) but I think the tags will have to be plain so I can fit all the engraving on - my surname, house number and postcode, my mobile number (won't put my house number so burglars can't check if I'm out!) and microchipped. I think that's covered it!
Next question - do the tags go on the same ring that you attach the lead to? Because if they do, I need to buy new colars too. The rings on these are so small it's hard to attach the lead sometimes!
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Next question - do the tags go on the same ring that you attach the lead to? Because if they do, I need to buy new colars too. The rings on these are so small it's hard to attach the lead sometimes!
Yes (mind you identitag do tags that slip over the collar). I always try to get collars with large D rings on anyway as they're easier to quickly put a dog on a lead.
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How many of us actually leave the dogs collar on when they are indoors though? I do now but never used too, but one time a over a year ago one of the girls friends left the front door open and Indie ran away :'( Luckily she didn't go far and we found her within 10 minutes, but the main thing that was worrying me was she didn't have her collar with nametag on :o
We take Fern's collar off at bed time and put it on first thing in the morning. She's even managing to hold on to have her collar put on b4 she toilets in the morning now :D But that was a night mare to start with as I didn't want the door opened b4 she had her collar on ;)
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His name and my mobile as other half is out of country alot. re the name thing, dave would go to anyone who wanted to steal him anyway he's so soft!!
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Name & 3 telephone numbers (one my mobile), plus she's chipped.
Got a lovely 'angel dog' ph34r tag that cost approx £11.00 from Canine concepts UK.Their called HOTDOG Dog Tags & they've some really lovely designs that are very robust too. Maisy has lost too many cheap tags in her 6 months!!
www.canineconcepts.co.uk/cat--dog-Tags-Charms--dog-tag if anyones interested. :blink:
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Stanley has his name on one side and my mobile on the other.
I didnt mind putting his name on it as he wont go to anybody but me (really miffs the husband) and he only comes back to me if he thinks i have a treat :005:
Jo x :D
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On Trixie's tag we have our surname, house number, postcode, home tel. no, mobile tel. no & 'Please Scan Me' !!!
She very occasionally wears her collar in the house but only if we're at home. For safety reasons we leave it off if she's at home & we're out.
Mary.
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On Trixie's tag we have our surname, house number, postcode, home tel. no, mobile tel. no & 'Please Scan Me' !!!
Mary.
Fab idea Mary :shades:
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Maybe I'm just paranoid but I have only my mobile on one side and OH's mobile on the other side.
No home address and no home number (I think there is a way of finding out an address from a tel number). I also did not put on the tag that she is microchipped (although she is) because if anyone responsible picked her up they'd ring the number and we both have our phones on us at all times. There's no need to scan her microchip if they can see our phone number.
I see the benefit of the chip as in case her tag has fallen off or if someone irresponsible picked her up.
In the case of the latter I would rather they did not know she was chipped. If they take her to the vets unaware that she is chipped, the vets will realise she is stolen and we will get her back. I figured if they knew she was chipped they might avoid a vets for fear of being found out.
It may sound ridiculous, but I know someone who got their dog back after 'new owners' took it to the vet and discovered she was chipped and belonged to someone else. Would they have taken her to the vets if they thought they'd get caught out this way? Thus, Ruby's tag does not say she's chipped.
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We have our home tel number and the fact that they are microchipped on Pepsi and Woody's - nothing else.
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I've ordered my new tags today. They have on them - my surname, house number and postcode, mobile number and microchipped.
I hope people who have newly posted on this thread read the first few pages and are aware that it is a legal requirement to have owner's name and address on the tag. I think failure to do this can result in a fine of up to £5000!
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I think I'll take the chance ;) but thanks.
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I hope people who have newly posted on this thread read the first few pages and are aware that it is a legal requirement to have owner's name and address on the tag. I think failure to do this can result in a fine of up to £5000!
What worries me is the fact the Council officers can seize your dog from you if its not wearing a legal tag - even if it is leashed and under control :o
I doubt it would ever happen - but I'm not enough of a rebel to flout the law, especially when the dog trainer at the class we are currently doing is an Animal Enforcement Officer for the Council ph34r
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I hope people who have newly posted on this thread read the first few pages and are aware that it is a legal requirement to have owner's name and address on the tag. I think failure to do this can result in a fine of up to £5000!
The highest recorded fine in the UK for a dog not properly tagged was £3200 - not sure when this was enforced - todays useless piece of information ;)
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I think I'll take the chance ;) but thanks.
Obviously I'm a rebel too! ;)
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I'm a rebel too then, honestly - it's just silly.
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I'm a rebel too then, honestly - it's just silly.
It is silly, very silly (like many laws), but the law was passed 15 years ago - and devised before that; and was not future proofed to adapt to the developments in technology that allows us to be contactable wherever we are and for our dogs to carry our contact details within their body ;)
The problem is, that changing laws cost a lot of money (taxes) - so there are lots of "silly" laws that are pretty harmless on the whole, that are left alone as it would cause more of an outcry from the electorate to "waste" money by changing them ::)
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I hope people who have newly posted on this thread read the first few pages and are aware that it is a legal requirement to have owner's name and address on the tag. I think failure to do this can result in a fine of up to £5000!
What worries me is the fact the Council officers can seize your dog from you if its not wearing a legal tag - even if it is leashed and under control :o
I doubt it would ever happen - but I'm not enough of a rebel to flout the law, especially when the dog trainer at the class we are currently doing is an Animal Enforcement Officer for the Council ph34r
I think the fact that your dog can be returned to you at all straight away would be enough for hard pressed dog wardens.
Also I checked with my council (i.e the dog warden himself) and they agreed that its fine that you don't have to have your address on the dog tag (just as I don't have my address in full view on my luggage) --- as a single woman on my own I refuse to as well!
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I'm a rebel too then, honestly - it's just silly.
It is silly, very silly (like many laws), but the law was passed 15 years ago - and devised before that; and was not future proofed to adapt to the developments in technology that allows us to be contactable wherever we are and for our dogs to carry our contact details within their body ;)
The problem is, that changing laws cost a lot of money (taxes) - so there are lots of "silly" laws that are pretty harmless on the whole, that are left alone as it would cause more of an outcry from the electorate to "waste" money by changing them ::)
I do realise that - my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable. I think this is silly, so I flout it. I think drinking and driving is indefensible, so I don't.
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Hi All.
Didn't mean to cause an argument over whether or not the law is right. It was just at the beginning of the thread some people said they were not aware of it and I thought people posting on page 5 may not have read this point at the beginning. :blink:
Personally as I have to buy tags anyway, I'm getting them engraved with my surname, house number and postcode and mobile phone number. (That way unscrupulous people can't just ring my house and come round when I'm out!)
I'd rather just comply with this law (stupid or not) than risk being fined. £3200! :o Just think of all the 'real' criminals that don't get fined anywhere near that!
So as long as you are aware, whether or not you choose to comply is entirely up to you. ;)
And as for drinking and driving, I think that law should be changed to zero tolerance - but that's a whole new thread! :D
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Hi All.
Didn't mean to cause an argument over whether or not the law is right. It was just at the beginning of the thread some people said they were not aware of it and I thought people posting on page 5 may not have read this point at the beginning. :blink:
Personally as I have to buy tags anyway, I'm getting them engraved with my surname, house number and postcode and mobile phone number. (That way unscrupulous people can't just ring my house and come round when I'm out!)
I'd rather just comply with this law (stupid or not) than risk being fined. £3200! :o Just think of all the 'real' criminals that don't get fined anywhere near that!
So as long as you are aware, whether or not you choose to comply is entirely up to you. ;)
And as for drinking and driving, I think that law should be changed to zero tolerance - but that's a whole new thread! :D
Absolutely! I do think though, once they have made the point and fined one person, they won't do it again, it's just to deter others. Personally, I'd rather not comply for security reasons, but of course it's up the the individual. I was just trying to make the point that everyone sort of has their own take on it, be it this, or breastfeeding, or taking sickies from work - and that there are loads of angles. Legally, I think it's silly - but of course it's individual cjhoice ;) :D
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Hi All.
Didn't mean to cause an argument over whether or not the law is right. It was just at the beginning of the thread some people said they were not aware of it and I thought people posting on page 5 may not have read this point at the beginning. :blink:
Personally as I have to buy tags anyway, I'm getting them engraved with my surname, house number and postcode and mobile phone number. (That way unscrupulous people can't just ring my house and come round when I'm out!)
I'd rather just comply with this law (stupid or not) than risk being fined. £3200! :o Just think of all the 'real' criminals that don't get fined anywhere near that!
So as long as you are aware, whether or not you choose to comply is entirely up to you. ;)
And as for drinking and driving, I think that law should be changed to zero tolerance - but that's a whole new thread! :D
Like a great number of laws there is discretion and I find the council are more likely to personally threaten people with fines if they don't have tags at all which imho is more important. Your dog has to end up being picked up by the dog warden several times before they would consider a fine and that would most likely be because you had no tag at all rather than incomplete details. The dog wardens have a job just trying to catch the strays in my area rather than have a go at me for not having my address on my dog tag. I'd like to know if anyone has been fined at all re not having an address on their dog tag :rolleyes:
I would have no problem though with registering my dogs with my full address with the council
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Also I checked with my council (i.e the dog warden himself) and they agreed that its fine that you don't have to have your address on the dog tag (just as I don't have my address in full view on my luggage) --- as a single woman on my own I refuse to as well!
My OH's best mate is a dog warden in York. It was him who advised us to have name & address ( or house number/postcode) on the tag as the local council are VERY keen to enforce the law when it comes to unsupervised/stray dogs. Although it's highly unlikely Trixie would wander away from us (she's a home bird!) it's a chance that we can't afford to take. £3200 :o :o :o
Mary.
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I'd like to know if anyone has been fined at all re not having an address on their dog tag :rolleyes:
Over to sarahp for the answer to that one. That was her "useless piece of information"! :blink:
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New tag for Indie too then ::)
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Also I checked with my council (i.e the dog warden himself) and they agreed that its fine that you don't have to have your address on the dog tag (just as I don't have my address in full view on my luggage) --- as a single woman on my own I refuse to as well!
My OH's best mate is a dog warden in York. It was him who advised us to have name & address ( or house number/postcode) on the tag as the local council are VERY keen to enforce the law when it comes to unsupervised/stray dogs. Although it's highly unlikely Trixie would wander away from us (she's a home bird!) it's a chance that we can't afford to take. £3200 :o :o :o
Mary.
I know here that as long as you have contact details they're fine (which means phone nos only if thats what you want to do) and would rather return your dog to you as quickly and easily as possible than faff around fining you. They don't seem to fine those that don't have a tag at all unless they see the dog in the pound several times (and I know someone who's dog was a houdini and was picked up even more than that who didn't have her address on the tag but phone nos and was never fined) so why fine someone who you can return the dog to with just a simple phone call if they don't have the address on their tag.
I guess am prepared to take the risk on this one (and would argue the toss in court as well re my personal safety is more of a priority)
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It was brought to my attention when training Max for his Kennel Club Good Citizen Bronze award that his tag was incorrect and not only could he be failed for his bronze award that it was illegal. ph34r
I had no idea, I thought I'd done the right thing having his name on, our house number and postcode and my telephone number. My surname was the missing item. I'd got my dogs designer tags so didn't want to scrap them so I got a additional tag done with my Surname on, which apparently will suffice. While I was doing that I added Please Scan Me too.
As this was pointed out to me just before we got Barney he has a totally legal single tag! ;)
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Have just looked at out council website and it says:
"Treat your pet to a good quality collar and make sure it has a disk attached with an up-to-date telephone number and/or address. This is a requirement by law."
which suggests as they told me that tel. nos are fine for them but the tag is the legal requirement as far as they're concerned
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Ours have Our surname , post code , Home phone number and mobile . As for these pounds checking for micro chips Ive read too much where some dogs have almost got to the pts stage >:D just because pound staff dident check the lists to see which dogs they had in and dident bother to scan >:( some even claimed not to have a scanner . I can buy a microchip scanner for just £108 ::) theres no excuse why a goverment pound shouldent have one .as I read someone kindly bought that particular pound one ::)
I Like those vet tags ive not found where you cn buy them seperate though :-\
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Personally as I have to buy tags anyway, I'm getting them engraved with my surname, house number and postcode and mobile phone number. (That way unscrupulous people can't just ring my house and come round when I'm out!)
These laws rules are old and out of date and do not take account of mobile phones, microchipping etc being widespread. If someone is unscrupulous, there is nothing to stop them from finding out your address from the postcode and number - as anyone who shops on the internet will know. There are numerous databases that can give you that information very easily if you want it! ;)
I agree with PennyB. I live alone too and believe you have to take sensible precautions for personal safety. Just as I do not carry my driving licence with me because it has my address on it in case my handbag was nicked with house keys (very helpful) or have my name and address visible on luggage, I will not be putting address or postcode on Coco's collar. ;)
I think the only more or less failsafe solution to this is to make microchipping compulsory and bring back (free) dog licences so that lost/stray dogs can be identified easily.
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I'd like to know if anyone has been fined at all re not having an address on their dog tag :rolleyes:
Over to sarahp for the answer to that one. That was her "useless piece of information"! :blink:
not a clue :005: :005: but I will put my deer-stalker hat on and get back to you ;) :shades:
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Bella's new tag arrived in the post yesterday.
We were also told that she could fail her Good Citizen Bronze without it. The OH ordered it at the vets and it was delivered to home. It has our address, surname and phone number. She has a separate tag that says she has been microchipped, the two make a lovely jingly noise, and have severely curtailed her duck catching ability. Thats her excuse anyway!
The company we used were www.pettags.co.uk
Having said that, the OH was told last week at training that the examiner that they are going to use, doesn't strictly enforce the tag rule!
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I think the only more or less failsafe solution to this is to make microchipping compulsory and bring back (free) dog licences so that lost/stray dogs can be identified easily.
Our local council offers a registration scheme whereby you pay about 4 quid and it allows you so many free returns so you don't have to pay pound fees,and of course they would have your address as part of this so wondering if some form of registration would be better. In NZ you have to register your dog on an annual basis for dogs with the local authority rather than one-off license, and then dogs have a special tag displayed. In some areas of NZ you have to have a permit to keep more than 1/2 dogs.
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my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable.
Speak for yourself - I have had this debate on other forums, as it genuinely astounds me that the majority of people think it is acceptable to break laws they don't agree with - a slipppery slope to anarchy imo ;)
And before anyone asks - no, I don't speed, copy CD's or download from dodgy music websites either ph34r
(sorry, off topic, but I was being labelled under the "ALL" umbrella ;))
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my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable.
Speak for yourself - I have had this debate on other forums, as it genuinely astounds me that the majority of people think it is acceptable to break laws they don't agree with - a slipppery slope to anarchy imo ;)
Well, I freely admit not to being so "law abiding" as Rachel - wouldn't call myself an anarchist though. I just choose to exercise my own judgement, choice and common sense! Anyway, time to go and rob some sub post offices. :005:
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God what have I started?! ph34r I only really wanted to know if house number and postcode was enough instead of full address! And whose surname we should use.
Joules - I know people can find out my full address from my number and postcode which is why I haven't put my home phone number on the tags. The argument was people could ring your house and burgle you whilst you were out. They shouldn't be able to find my phone number as it is ex-directory and registered under my OH's surname. And tbh I think I've got more chance of being burgled or worse in my own home by an opportunist criminal than by someone who has read my dogs' tags! ;)
And I will freely admit to breaking other laws every day! But I'm no where near being an anarchist. In fact I'm married to a :police:
and he breaks laws too. (Hence the points on his licence for speeding. :D )
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After the comments I checked this out with our local Police and Council. In our County it is suffient to have a contact number only on the tag. The fact that the dogs are microchipped and the full contact details are held on record is also sufficient so long as you put on the tag that the animal is microchipped. Apparently this can very greatly from County to County.
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After the comments I checked this out with our local Police and Council. In our County it is suffient to have a contact number only on the tag. The fact that the dogs are microchipped and the full contact details are held on record is also sufficient so long as you put on the tag that the animal is microchipped. Apparently this can very greatly from County to County.
Thats really wierd/interesting; I'm off to do some more research as I'm totally confused now ::) ::) ph34r
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I'm a bit of a latecomer to this thread ph34r All 4 of mine are chipped and they only wear their microchip tags. I had to get tags made up so they could sit their good citizen awards but thats the only time they wear them
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my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable.
Speak for yourself - I have had this debate on other forums, as it genuinely astounds me that the majority of people think it is acceptable to break laws they don't agree with - a slipppery slope to anarchy imo ;)
And before anyone asks - no, I don't speed, copy CD's or download from dodgy music websites either ph34r
(sorry, off topic, but I was being labelled under the "ALL" umbrella ;))
All of us do - even using time at work to post on internet sites is technically defrauding your workplace if you take things to that conclusion. ::)
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All of us do - even using time at work to post on internet sites is technically defrauding your workplace if you take things to that conclusion. ::)
Nope - can't do that, either; its filtered so I can't log in ::)
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I don't either. The thing is, I also don't fel the need to tell everyone lse that because they are breaking the law by not having loads of information on their dogs tags, that it's the first step to anarchy. I also resent the assumption that because one does that, that one automatically downloads music illegally, or whatever else. ::)
You did this in another thread about how you'd have to tell your daughter that people were this that and the other, you do seem very focused on decrying others' reasons for doing things rather than examining your reasons why you feel the need to keep inferring that you are somehow morally superior.
I'll leave it there, I don't want any more of your pm's. ;)
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The Council's Dog Warden Service is responsible for dealing with lost dogs in the area. Once a lost dog is reported, the Dog Warden is called and collects the dog. The dog is then checked to see if it has been microchipped, if the owners information is available the dog is then returned to it's owner as soon as possible. The Council can microchip your dog for a fee of £14.
That's all it says on our council website - I have to say I highly doubt anyone would get fined, I've certainly never heard of it happening and have dealt with numerous cases of lost dogs through work - the vast majority of whom are reunited with their owners.
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I don't either. The thing is, I also don't fel the need to tell everyone lse that because they are breaking the law by not having loads of information on their dogs tags, that it's the first step to anarchy. I also resent the assumption that because one does that, that one automatically downloads music illegally, or whatever else. ::)
You did this in another thread about how you'd have to tell your daughter that people were this that and the other, you do seem very focused on decrying others' reasons for doing things rather than examining your reasons why you feel the need to keep inferring that you are somehow morally superior.
I'll leave it there, I don't want any more of your pm's.
As you have blocked my PM's, its a fair assumption that you won't be receiving any ::)
It seems that you consider it acceptable to generalise about people,
my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable.
All of us do - even using time at work to post on internet sites is technically defrauding your workplace if you take things to that conclusion. ::)
...but not for someone to defend themselves when that generalisation is inaccurate and considered offensive (http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6357/huh4lc.gif) (yes, it is offensive to me when it is assumed that I break the laws my career involves enforcing).
You often defend the practice of veterinary clinics when they are criticised - its just professional integrity, not moral superiority :-\
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Just to lighten the note i thought you (iwlass) types doggy music websites and i thought wow i didn't know they did music just for dogs and then i read it properly and it's dodgy ph34r ph34r.Oops.
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I would rather reveal some limited information about myself in the hope that my dog(s) would soon be returned to me. Anyone interested in stealing my dogs is not going to be bothered about whether they have tags or not. I am happy with the following information on my dogs tags
Surname
House No. & Postcode
Home Phone Number
and on the reverse
Vet's phone number
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- I've put that on there in the hope that if one of my dogs were hurt and time was of the essence she could be treated whilst trying to locate me.
Yes, a burglar could see my dogs tag, ring my home and find that I was out, but I think that rather far fetched - maybe I'll eat my words one day!
Shona & Rachel, we know you will always have differing opinions but for the sake of keeping a peaceful board, please just agree to disagree. This is not BB ;)
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my point being, ALL of us flout laws, and it's up to us what we find acceptable.
And before anyone asks - no, I don't speed,
:005: :005: sorry but this made me chuckle. So you don't, or have never done 31mph in a 30mph zone :shades: :005: :005: Come on!! :lol: ;)
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The Council can microchip your dog for a fee of £14.
we're lucky in our area as the council microchip for free
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The Council can microchip your dog for a fee of £14.
we're lucky in our area as the council microchip for free
Wow that's good! Mind you, our vets only charged £13.50 so it wasn't too bad! A lot cheaper than I was expecting.
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Rachel, my point being that no-one is perfect - illustrating my example beautifully is the thread where *gypsies* were accused of causing damage and mess to property, at which you pointed out that gypsies were peaceable and it was travellers who were the bad 'uns! ::) Generalisation central, but that's ok?! I find it VERY offensive when you categorise a whole group of people in that way.
Yet, when I say I won't be complying with a law I consider unsafe, I'm accused of obviously downloading music illegally, and god knows what else. For someone who supposedly is involved in doing what you allegedly do, I find your generalisations and supposations downright concerning.
I think you are well aware why I blocked you from sending me pm's....and I'll take Michele's advice and bow out of this now before I say somthing I'll regret.
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Rachel, my point being that no-one is perfect - illustrating my example beautifully is the thread where *gypsies* were accused of causing damage and mess to property, at which you pointed out that gypsies were peaceable and it was travellers who were the bad 'uns! ::) Generalisation central, but that's ok?! I find it VERY offensive when you categorise a whole group of people in that way.
Yet, when I say I won't be complying with a law I consider unsafe, I'm accused of obviously downloading music illegally, and god knows what else. For someone who supposedly is involved in doing what you allegedly do, I find your generalisations and supposations downright concerning.
I have never generalised about anyone - if you read both my posts carefully you will see that I stated that travellers "have a reputation" (I made no comment on whether I believe the reputation to be true, which I don't) and that "I don't download music illegally" (no mention of what I believe YOU do).
If I said one of my posts "we ALL hit our dogs with sticks" and then reiterated "All of us do" when that statement was challenged - then I'm certain I would be on the receiving end of some pretty harsh comments for my assumption - why am I being castigated for defending myself against a generalisation that I find equally offensive :huh:
Shona, I accept that your life experiences lead you to believe that everyone breaks the law in some way - but to state based on your experiences that "everyone does" could be considered defamatory by law abiding people, and that was the basis of my objection.
Apologies to mods and others for taking this thread off topic and souring the tone; I need to learn to accept personal accusation more graciously, and not defend my position :-\.
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I'm locking this thread temporarily until I have time to edit out all the off-topic argy bargy ;)