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Title: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 05, 2007, 05:55:34 PM
I personlly have heard of a few breeders selling their pups for around £300, some people think that this could not be correct ! What do you think ??????? :huh:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cazzie on September 05, 2007, 05:57:06 PM
I would have said anything from £325 upwards depending on how greedy they were  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 05, 2007, 06:00:51 PM
I would have said anything from £325 upwards depending on how greedy they were  ;)
thanks cazzie at least someone thinks that I am not a fool..... ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: magicflower on September 05, 2007, 06:10:27 PM
I also think it depends on where you live.

When I was looking for a puppy (Ruby), the prices were much more than £300.00.

I was budgeting on spending about £500-£600.00 for our new baby planned next year.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: silkstocking on September 05, 2007, 06:11:30 PM
hmmm I would say more, but I think it depends where you live :huh:

Show Cockers in the South East sell for anywhere between £450 and £800 as far as I am aware :-\ and I don't think I am outta the loop on that one!!

EDA posted at the same time as magicflower!
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cob-Web on September 05, 2007, 06:12:14 PM
Depends on the part of the country you are in: I paid twice that three years ago, and that was not the highest of the litters I enquired about  :-\

Price is NOT a good indicator of a responsibly bred litter:
http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/Reputable_Breeders
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cazzie on September 05, 2007, 06:15:33 PM
I would have said anything from £325 upwards depending on how greedy they were  ;)
thanks cazzie at least someone thinks that I am not a fool..... ;)

I dont think anbody thinks you a fool  :blink: , the prices of pups have shot up over the years and tbh some of the prices are crazy  :o Some people charge lots for pups due to the success of the parents and for lots of other reasons but as im not for breeding myself if I did allow any of my dogs to have pups they would be that good in my eyes they would be so expensive no one would want them  :005:

I hate thinking folk are making money from having pups it  >:D >:D >:D me.  ;) I see it happening all the time, infact the last person I saw with pups, I asked what made you take a litter off your dog, she said Oh well I lost my job and my husband thought it would give me something to do through out the summer and of course earn me a little cash  >:D I nearly knocked her into next week  >:D >:D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: lolajays on September 05, 2007, 06:18:43 PM
I think usually its anywhere from £650 upwards in the south west!
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Coco on September 05, 2007, 06:29:55 PM
It's difficult because IMO there is an issue with price and the a potential buyers opinion of the breeder.

If it were cheap on the one hand I'd think they were not so desirable as a result of their breeding or the breeder was not very experienced on the other hand it could show that they are not trying to make money out of breeding.

Alternatively a high price could indicate that the breeder was in it for the money or on the up side, that the pups were well bread commanding a higher price or the breeder had put a lot of money and effort into it and was covering those high costs. Also some breeders make their pups More expensive to put off people who just want a cheap pet.

I think that around £450-550 is what an average Working cocker commands. I have seen many a time Tris or the more uncommon colours priced more expensive and Bitches more expensive but IMO that is not right and a money spinner. Anyone who asks for more for KC reg, no endorsements, vacs and docking etc I would have very strong suspicions about.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 05, 2007, 06:31:41 PM
I would have said anything from £325 upwards depending on how greedy they were  ;)

Where are those pups cos they're a bargain?! Charlie charges a bit more than that! Working type cockers are generally cheaper than show types but are still usually between £400 and £600. I paid £600 for Rodaidh 3 months ago (he's a worker and we're in Scotland which is generally a bit cheaper). He was 6 months old then but had had no training; if I'd bought him at 8 weeks he would have been £400. The vast majority of working cocker pups I've seen from good breeders are between £400 and £600 and I would expect a show type to be anything from £500 upwards.

Things should have a certain value and while I wouldn't like to be ripped off I would be suspicious of anyone who sells puppies cheaply.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: magicflower on September 05, 2007, 06:38:32 PM
I think usually its anywhere from £650 upwards in the south west!

I'd better start saving!  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: cockerella on September 05, 2007, 06:49:47 PM
In norway you'll have to pay 10.000 Nkr, I think that will be about 850 £. But then hip-scoring is about 110 £ and everything is rather expensive here. And the stud dog 's owner often gets the price of one puppy.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Tracy S on September 05, 2007, 07:02:52 PM


When we were looking the prices ranged from £600 - £750 and we're in the Midlands. One breeder was asking slightly more for bitches.  Around here Labs seem to be going for a similar price now too ;)

Even at that price I think I was ripped off, had a bargain ;) :005:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Luvly on September 05, 2007, 07:12:23 PM
 :lol2:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cayley on September 05, 2007, 07:13:06 PM
The only things I would expect to be a deciding factor of price is were in the country and what type they are. A working cocker in Scotland may cost £400 whereas the same in the south of England may cost £450. I would expect to pay about £650 for a quality show type pup in the south west  :blink:.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 05, 2007, 07:34:56 PM
I must be getting a good deal maybe the parents are in the working class  :D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cob-Web on September 05, 2007, 07:43:23 PM
I must be getting a good deal maybe the parents are in the working class  :D

There are a lot of questions to ask a breeder, as well as price -

Are the sire and dam Optigen tested and screened annually for PRA? Is the breeder involved in showing the dogs? How are they performing in the ring? Can the breeder explain why he/she picked the sire she did for the bitch? Will the puppy be endorsed, preventing any future puppies being registered with the kennel club?

If you are confident that the breeder is reputable and ethical, and is doing everything they can to produce healthy, happy, good tempered pups that meet the breed standard, then the price is less significant  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 05, 2007, 07:56:09 PM
I must be getting a good deal maybe the parents are in the working class  :D

There are a lot of questions to ask a breeder, as well as price -
I will ask alot of questions and will let u all know.

Are the sire and dam Optigen tested and screened annually for PRA? Is the breeder involved in showing the dogs? How are they performing in the ring? Can the breeder explain why he/she picked the sire she did for the bitch? Will the puppy be endorsed, preventing any future puppies being registered with the kennel club?

If you are confident that the breeder is reputable and ethical, and is doing everything they can to produce healthy, happy, good tempered pups that meet the breed standard, then the price is less significant  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 05, 2007, 07:57:36 PM
i will ask alot of questions and let u all know.... thanks for the advice :D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Tasha on September 05, 2007, 09:03:26 PM
I didn't even ask about price but saved up around £3000 before I brought Ayla that was for the price of her (eventually £650) her jabs, passport, eye testing, hip scoring (still to be done),  food, vet trips, training etc It sounds like alot to have saved up but to be honest when you total up how much you spend on a puppy over the period of the first couple of years that was roughly what I spent.

I saved up £5000 for Bonnie it took me forever... :D

One of my breeders did say if I had to ask the price of the puppy then I didn't deserve the dog because they are priceless.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: ruby ruby doo on September 05, 2007, 09:42:50 PM
Yes definitely..when insurers ask you how much they cost..the initial outlay is nothing compared to the subsequent costs of injections.. insurance tagging etc..and the time love and devotion you put in! I could not put into figures what she is "worth to me now!" She is irreplacable...and in hindsight now i would think of spending a lot more to ensure i knew that every test had been done to ensure she was guaranteed a healthy future..Out of interest how much do all these tests cost...how much does it really on average cost to rear puppies...? Charging more to ensure good homes is no guarantee im sure as so many people have plenty of money to burn on a "mascot" ..cuddly toy  without the true love and devotion it takes to care responsibly for one of these creatures.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cob-Web on September 05, 2007, 09:44:54 PM
We "saved" for Molo by setting aside the monthly costs until we had enough to pay for him and all the extras he needed when he came home  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cazzie on September 05, 2007, 10:29:45 PM
I would have said anything from £325 upwards depending on how greedy they were  ;)

Where are those pups cos they're a bargain?! Charlie charges a bit more than that! Working type cockers are generally cheaper than show types but are still usually between £400 and £600. I paid £600 for Rodaidh 3 months ago (he's a worker and we're in Scotland which is generally a bit cheaper). He was 6 months old then but had had no training; if I'd bought him at 8 weeks he would have been £400. The vast majority of working cocker pups I've seen from good breeders are between £400 and £600 and I would expect a show type to be anything from £500 upwards.

Things should have a certain value and while I wouldn't like to be ripped off I would be suspicious of anyone who sells puppies cheaply.

Nicola, I have seen lab pups being sold for £325 and 2 of my customers bought working cockers for £275.  ;) No one mentioned Charlie and the prices he charges he has huge overheads unlike some people who take a one off litter to keep a pup for themselves and the money doesnt come into it ,they just want a small return for food/vets bills etc  ;)

If I took a litter off of sweepie,(which I wouldnt) I would most deff keep one or two of the pups, now how to I guage what to charge for the other pups, because I know for certain that I wouldnt even embarrass my self by asking £500 - £600 for a pup from a one off litter and dont try and tell me that if someone pays £600 - £1000 for a pup they are going to look after it better than a pup bought for £300 as the rescues are full of dogs that cost a fortune as pups  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 05, 2007, 11:12:05 PM
The point isn't that there might be cheaper pups out there though, it's the likelihood of these cheap puppies not coming from reputable breeders. People have their own opinions of course but this is one of those things where imo you get what you pay for, even in terms of backup from the breeder you get the pup from. With Rodaidh I know that Charlie's always there at the end of the phone if I have any questions or worries. I'm no breeder but if I did ever breed pups I would most definitely charge the higher end of the 'going rate' for them as this is one way in which I could try to ensure that the people who bought them were more likely to have stopped and thought about it before forking out so much cash.

Anyway you wouldn't need to sell Sweep's pups, they'd be coming to meeeeeeeeee!!!!!  :shades: :005: :005:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cazzie on September 05, 2007, 11:29:41 PM
The point isn't that there might be cheaper pups out there though, it's the likelihood of these cheap puppies not coming from reputable breeders. People have their own opinions of course but this is one of those things where imo you get what you pay for, even in terms of backup from the breeder you get the pup from. With Rodaidh I know that Charlie's always there at the end of the phone if I have any questions or worries. I'm no breeder but if I did ever breed pups I would most definitely charge the higher end of the 'going rate' for them as this is one way in which I could try to ensure that the people who bought them were more likely to have stopped and thought about it before forking out so much cash.

Anyway you wouldn't need to sell Sweep's pups, they'd be coming to meeeeeeeeee!!!!!  :shades: :005: :005:

No she'd only have one and Id be keeping it  :005:

I totally disagree with someone thinking before they shed out loads of cash before buying a pup it happens all the time. Look at my friend he rescues St Bernards now they aint cheap, the people who originally bought them certainly didnt think before forking out the cash for them as pups  and there are loads of similar costed dogs in rescues as well :o

I could think of lots of dogs that have been bought for a lot of money that have been rehomed or returned to the breeder and tbh the cash they paid for the dogs was the last thought, they do not take into consideration how they are going to look after the dog in various ways and how do you know that because they paid £750 for one of your pups they are going to look after that dog to the standard we have  :-\ We dont.

I know one of my customers bought a working cocker for £275, now that dog has the very best of everything and is being well trained, I know that if I had pups available I would most deff want one to go to someone like him who doesnt have alot of cash but will give the dog a fine loving forever home.

Also what about rescue dogs, why are they not charging alot of cash for their dogs? Do they not think that if someone pays alot for a dog it will be looked after better  :-\ ;)

Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cayley on September 06, 2007, 12:32:57 AM
The point isn't that there might be cheaper pups out there though, it's the likelihood of these cheap puppies not coming from reputable breeders. People have their own opinions of course but this is one of those things where imo you get what you pay for, even in terms of backup from the breeder you get the pup from. With Rodaidh I know that Charlie's always there at the end of the phone if I have any questions or worries. I'm no breeder but if I did ever breed pups I would most definitely charge the higher end of the 'going rate' for them as this is one way in which I could try to ensure that the people who bought them were more likely to have stopped and thought about it before forking out so much cash.

Anyway you wouldn't need to sell Sweep's pups, they'd be coming to meeeeeeeeee!!!!!  :shades: :005: :005:

No she'd only have one and Id be keeping it  :005:

I totally disagree with someone thinking before they shed out loads of cash before buying a pup it happens all the time. Look at my friend he rescues St Bernards now they aint cheap, the people who originally bought them certainly didnt think before forking out the cash for them as pups  and there are loads of similar costed dogs in rescues as well :o

I could think of lots of dogs that have been bought for a lot of money that have been rehomed or returned to the breeder and tbh the cash they paid for the dogs was the last thought, they do not take into consideration how they are going to look after the dog in various ways and how do you know that because they paid £750 for one of your pups they are going to look after that dog to the standard we have  :-\ We dont.

I know one of my customers bought a working cocker for £275, now that dog has the very best of everything and is being well trained, I know that if I had pups available I would most deff want one to go to someone like him who doesnt have alot of cash but will give the dog a fine loving forever home.

Also what about rescue dogs, why are they not charging alot of cash for their dogs? Do they not think that if someone pays alot for a dog it will be looked after better  :-\ ;)



I think the thing is those responsible owners who have researched there chosen breed will know what price to expect to pay, I would be wary of someone charging £300 for a show type in the south west, I wouldn't be thinking that's a good deal  :-\.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Jane S on September 06, 2007, 09:34:07 AM
I would be wary of someone charging £300 for a show type in the south west, I wouldn't be thinking that's a good deal  :-\.

I agree. Someone selling show-type pups for such a low price in the South of England will not have done any of the expensive health screening tests and will possibly not even be registering the pups. There's been some talk on this thread about breeders being greedy if they ask for more than £300 but you cannot breed good quality pups from health tested parents on the cheap so nor should you sell them on the cheap. It makes no difference if you have a one-off litter or if you regularly breed - breeding if you do it properly is certainly not cheap and breeders have every right to ask a reasonable price to reflect the costs, effort and commitment which goes into breeding a litter the right way.
Puppies are not commodities where you shop around for the best deal - finding a litter advertised at well below the going rate does not mean you have a bargain. Quite the opposite - you could sadly end up with a poorly reared pup with avoidable genetic problems.

Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: CarolineL on September 06, 2007, 09:41:45 AM
I must be getting a good deal maybe the parents are in the working class  :D

Hey Blacky

Welcome to COL!! - I saw the pics of your cocker and he is gorgeous!!  :luv:

I just wanted to make sure that you knew the difference between a show cocker and a working cocker - they are 2 very different types of cocker spaniel. A worker doesnt necessarily mean that you are going to work them and a show doesnt mean that you intend to show them! I definitely did not know the difference before I bought my bundle of fun and luckily had the people on COL to show me the way!  :lol:

I have posted before on the main differences between the 2 so will try and find my post and link it in below!  :D

Cx

A typical working cocker is on the go all the time, it has been bred to work and as an adult worker will require hours of stimulation on a physical/mental basis. They can take as much exercise you give them, and then some!!! Increasingly working cockers are being sold as pets and it is not unusual for them to be in a home environment. On the whole the are extremely bright - give em an inch and they'll take a mile!! 

Show cockers, although also very busy and on the go probably dont need as much mental physical stimulation. Again, the same applies with them, they can be exercised as much as a worker but will probably flake out at the end of the day whereas a worker will still want more. They too - are in the main clever dogs and will take a mile too!!! 

A working cocker's coat tends to be shorter than a show cockers coat and there are physical differences too.... show cocker have more of a domed head, whereas a workers is slightly flatter, and working cockers are longer in the body.

I would fully advise you to research exactly what type of cocker it is you want before you go ahead and buy one, alot of working cockers have ended up in rescues because their owners didnt quite know what they were getting!!!

A good way to know, if you check the dogs pedigree on a workers pedigree if it comes from good lines it will have FT CH (field trial champion) and a show cocker will have Sh Ch (show champion).

If you do a search on show and worker differences using the search facility you will see that this has been discussed many times before.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Tracy S on September 06, 2007, 12:53:45 PM
I must be getting a good deal maybe the parents are in the working class  :D

Hi Blacky, sorry if you're already aware but the referalls made to working cocker relates to their type. There are Working Cockers and Show type Cockers ; Whilst  they are both Cockers, there are some differences. ;) Again apologies if you know.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Luvly on September 06, 2007, 03:06:14 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Jeeves on September 06, 2007, 03:11:44 PM
 :D ph34r Get a rescue dog!!! :D ;)


Look at my Parkety - a finer specimen you'd be hard pressed to meet! :luv:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n246/littlebear_2006/DSC00132.jpg
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Bev_M on September 06, 2007, 03:18:41 PM


my new baby is a show type and is £550.00 which seems average for my area - Scotland
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 06, 2007, 07:51:11 PM
The point isn't that there might be cheaper pups out there though, it's the likelihood of these cheap puppies not coming from reputable breeders. People have their own opinions of course but this is one of those things where imo you get what you pay for, even in terms of backup from the breeder you get the pup from. With Rodaidh I know that Charlie's always there at the end of the phone if I have any questions or worries. I'm no breeder but if I did ever breed pups I would most definitely charge the higher end of the 'going rate' for them as this is one way in which I could try to ensure that the people who bought them were more likely to have stopped and thought about it before forking out so much cash.

Anyway you wouldn't need to sell Sweep's pups, they'd be coming to meeeeeeeeee!!!!!  :shades: :005: :005:

No she'd only have one and Id be keeping it  :005:

I totally disagree with someone thinking before they shed out loads of cash before buying a pup it happens all the time. Look at my friend he rescues St Bernards now they aint cheap, the people who originally bought them certainly didnt think before forking out the cash for them as pups  and there are loads of similar costed dogs in rescues as well :o

I could think of lots of dogs that have been bought for a lot of money that have been rehomed or returned to the breeder and tbh the cash they paid for the dogs was the last thought, they do not take into consideration how they are going to look after the dog in various ways and how do you know that because they paid £750 for one of your pups they are going to look after that dog to the standard we have  :-\ We dont.

I know one of my customers bought a working cocker for £275, now that dog has the very best of everything and is being well trained, I know that if I had pups available I would most deff want one to go to someone like him who doesnt have alot of cash but will give the dog a fine loving forever home.

Also what about rescue dogs, why are they not charging alot of cash for their dogs? Do they not think that if someone pays alot for a dog it will be looked after better  :-\ ;)



I think the thing is those responsible owners who have researched there chosen breed will know what price to expect to pay, I would be wary of someone charging £300 for a show type in the south west, I wouldn't be thinking that's a good deal  :-\.

I dont live in the south west, I am from n.ireland.£300 is an average price where I come from... :D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 06, 2007, 07:57:36 PM
I dont live in the south west, I am from n.ireland.£300 is an average price where I come from... :D

I'm from Northern Ireland too and the reputable working cocker breeders I know at home still charge more in the region of £400 for a pup. I don't know about show types, but again they are likely to be more expensive as they generally are elsewhere.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 06, 2007, 08:03:38 PM
:D ph34r Get a rescue dog!!! :D ;)


Look at my Parkety - a finer specimen you'd be hard pressed to meet! :luv:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n246/littlebear_2006/DSC00132.jpg
he looks lovely, hes lucky u found him.If u dont already know i have a rescued cocker and i love him to bits..
his head is actually on top of my laptop as we speak he loves the attention :luv:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Jan/Billy on September 06, 2007, 08:05:32 PM
I'm in Manchester & bought Billy ( show type) four years ago for £450.

I agree you get what you pay for, if i saw puppies for any less than this I'd be very very suspicious  :-\
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: september on September 06, 2007, 08:12:51 PM
We paid £500, also visited a lady who charged £650 but these were show types from a proven show sire, we didn't like her though so found a different breeder (not because it was cheaper, that was just a bonus!  :005:)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: pinkcarys on September 06, 2007, 08:19:02 PM
I paid £600 for my little one. The first puppy we found was £325 and turned out to be puppy farmed.  :'(  I'm not making a judgment, just passing on my experience.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cob-Web on September 06, 2007, 08:21:32 PM
I dont live in the south west, I am from n.ireland.£300 is an average price where I come from... :D

If you are basing your "average" on classified adverts, then this may be misleading; reputable breeders have a waiting list and don't need to advertise, so you are not seeing a "true" price - how many breeders have you contacted?

I remember how concerned I was about price, as it a huge amount to part with in cash to someone you don't know - I realised after being a member of COL for a while that "getting a good deal" is immaterial; there are far more important things, and if it means saving for a bit longer in order to make sure that the sire, bitch and puppies are well bred, healthy and of good temperament then that is what we would do :)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 06, 2007, 08:49:19 PM
I paid £600 for my little one. The first puppy we found was £325 and turned out to be puppy farmed.  :'(  I'm not making a judgment, just passing on my experience.
what do u mean by "puppy farmed" i am interested   :huh: ;) :huh:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 06, 2007, 08:51:53 PM
I dont live in the south west, I am from n.ireland.£300 is an average price where I come from... :D

I'm from Northern Ireland too and the reputable working cocker breeders I know at home still charge more in the region of £400 for a pup. I don't know about show types, but again they are likely to be more expensive as they generally are elsewhere.
would you have any phone numbers of good breeders that you could pass on to me (in n.i of course) ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: ladylola on September 06, 2007, 09:04:48 PM
Puppy farmers are breeders, who breed usually on a large scale without much thought to the welfare of their dogs. They do not carry out health testing on the pups parents. The dogs may hardly ever see the light of day
they are just used for breeding machines. They don't look into the lines of the dogs to see if they are suitably matched. Often breeding pups of poor temperament and ill health. All they are concerned about is making money. The sire and dams should be genetically health tested for diseases to make sure they are not passing it on to their progeny. I'm sure there is a lot more to say about puppy farmers and somebody who has dealt with these people will belong to fill you in. You sure don't want to buy a puppy that may turn out to be aggresive or suffer illness.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: lolajays on September 06, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
I think usually its anywhere from £650 upwards in the south west!

I'd better start saving!  ;)
Me too Tracey  :005:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 06, 2007, 09:13:55 PM
Puppy farmers are breeders, who breed usually on a large scale without much thought to the welfare of their dogs. They do not carry out health testing on the pups parents. The dogs may hardly ever see the light of day
they are just used for breeding machines. They don't look into the lines of the dogs to see if they are suitably matched. Often breeding pups of poor temperament and ill health. All they are concerned about is making money. The sire and dams should be genetically health tested for diseases to make sure they are not passing it on to their progeny. I'm sure there is a lot more to say about puppy farmers and somebody who has dealt with these people will belong to fill you in. You sure don't want to buy a puppy that may turn out to be aggresive or suffer illness.
thanks for that i will be very carefull before i get my new baby :luv: :huh: :luv:
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Jan/Billy on September 06, 2007, 09:20:05 PM
what do u mean by "puppy farmed" i am interested   :huh: ;) :huh:



Get your tissues ready  :'(

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/information/poppysopinions/puppyfarming/


this is a good ( but very sad) site:-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hopeuk/thinking.htm
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Cob-Web on September 06, 2007, 09:35:28 PM
I paid £600 for my little one. The first puppy we found was £325 and turned out to be puppy farmed.  :'(  I'm not making a judgment, just passing on my experience.
what do u mean by "puppy farmed" i am interested   :huh: ;) :huh:

I posted this link on your other thread; it provides some useful advice on what a reputable breeder is and how to find one: 
http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/Reputable_Breeders
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Jeeves on September 07, 2007, 10:24:32 AM
:D ph34r Get a rescue dog!!! :D ;)


Look at my Parkety - a finer specimen you'd be hard pressed to meet! :luv:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n246/littlebear_2006/DSC00132.jpg
he looks lovely, hes lucky u found him.If u dont already know i have a rescued cocker and i love him to bits..
his head is actually on top of my laptop as we speak he loves the attention :luv:

Well done you!! :D :D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: PennyB on September 07, 2007, 11:33:18 PM
I paid 400 for my two 4 and 5 years ago respectively and that's Cardiff
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: wrenside on September 08, 2007, 09:40:59 AM
When people called me up to enquire about bella's pups, if the first question they asked was how much the pups would cost I simply told them to look else where as I would not sell a working cocker pup to someone who hadn't done any homework on the breed and was concerned about price above all else. In my opinion they should have been grilling me on blood lines, health tests, temprement and achievements of both sire and dam and the reasons for why the litter was being bred... price would be the last question to ask once you're satisfied that the litter ticks all of your boxes and you like the sound of the breeder and environment the pups are or will be being raised in etc...

My pups cost £470 (dogs and bitches) and that's for all of the KC registration, first set of vaccinations, worming every 2 weeks, two vet check ups, de fleaing treatments at 7 weeks old and one to go with the pup to its new home, docking and dew clawing with certificate, countless hours of socialisation, cleaning up after them, toys to go with them to their new homes, food, and all my pups went to their new homes almost completely house trained at 8 weeks old and sleeping through the night and also being used to spending time on their own away from their dam and siblings. Then there's the prenatal care for the bitch and stud fee, health tests and the year/s of research to find the right stud and to see in the flesh as many of the dogs in the pedigree as possible. I was lucky as no complications arose with the pregnancy and birth and all the pups were born fit and healthy and have stayed that way. Breeding is not for the faint hearted and is a very time consuming and expensive process. (I raised my litter in London)

Be very careful when you buy a pup on the cheap, as I can garantee you that a reputable breeder will know what their pups are worth and should have done all of the above. They will also be vetting you thoroughly when you ring up to gauge whether they'll let you have one of their pups. They should also be happy for you to come and see the pups but should ask you to wash your hands and take off your shoes before you see the litter to ensure cleanliness, if they don't do this then you should question how experienced they are and also how much they care about the welfare of the litter.

Buying a pup is not a particularly easy experience if you go about it the right way, you may have to wait a while for the right pup to come along and breeders will be protective of their pups but with a reputable breeder you'll get your moneys worth and a lot of support, whereas with a puppy farmed pup you will have problems and no support from the word go (IMO).

Good luck with your search for a pup  :blink: Try and go through the kennel club website or the breed clubs rather than free ads.

Best wishes

Mary

Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Smudgesmum on September 08, 2007, 08:30:52 PM
We paid £650 for our pup 7 months ago. This is in West Yorkshire. he is our 3rd and is the most beautiful pup we have had so far. The conditions at the breeders is the most important thing and also they should vet who they are selling their puppies to if they really care about their pups.
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: millerman on September 08, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
We paid £550 for our Blue Roan worth every penny, this is in the North West area, we got to see Mum and her Brother and Sister, we had a day out in Southport only last week and called off on the way home to she her Mum and Brother again, always pleased to see each other.   
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 08, 2007, 11:11:29 PM
I hope I hav a sucess story like everyone else :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 09, 2007, 12:34:18 AM
I hope I hav a sucess story like everyone else :'( :'( :'(

I'm sure you will with a bit of research and patience  ;)  Sorry, I only just saw your response to my other post about being from NI. I have working cockers and only really know of breeders of working types in NI so I'm not really qualified to recommend a show type breeder but I posted some details for the NI Cocker Spaniel Club on your other thread so your best bet is probably to contact them for a list of registered show type breeders and start your own research from there  :D
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 09, 2007, 10:44:50 AM
I hope I hav a sucess story like everyone else :'( :'( :'(

I'm sure you will with a bit of research and patience  ;)  Sorry, I only just saw your response to my other post about being from NI. I have working cockers and only really know of breeders of working types in NI so I'm not really qualified to recommend a show type breeder but I posted some details for the NI Cocker Spaniel Club on your other thread so your best bet is probably to contact them for a list of registered show type breeders and start your own research from there  :D
what thread did you put the details of the N.I Cocker spaniel club
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 09, 2007, 10:53:44 AM
I hope I hav a sucess story like everyone else :'( :'( :'(

I'm sure you will with a bit of research and patience  ;)  Sorry, I only just saw your response to my other post about being from NI. I have working cockers and only really know of breeders of working types in NI so I'm not really qualified to recommend a show type breeder but I posted some details for the NI Cocker Spaniel Club on your other thread so your best bet is probably to contact them for a list of registered show type breeders and start your own research from there  :D
what thread did you put the details of the N.I Cocker spaniel club

On the Showing one but here it is again...

North of Ireland Cocker Spaniel Club
Mrs D Lavery
7 Crumlin Rd, Glenavy, Co Antim, N Ireland, BT29 4LG
Tel No: 02894 452589
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 09, 2007, 02:50:14 PM
I hope I hav a sucess story like everyone else :'( :'( :'(
Thank you I will ring them tomorrow  ;)

I'm sure you will with a bit of research and patience  ;)  Sorry, I only just saw your response to my other post about being from NI. I have working cockers and only really know of breeders of working types in NI so I'm not really qualified to recommend a show type breeder but I posted some details for the NI Cocker Spaniel Club on your other thread so your best bet is probably to contact them for a list of registered show type breeders and start your own research from there  :D
what thread did you put the details of the N.I Cocker spaniel club

On the Showing one but here it is again...

North of Ireland Cocker Spaniel Club
Mrs D Lavery
7 Crumlin Rd, Glenavy, Co Antim, N Ireland, BT29 4LG
Tel No: 02894 452589

Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Blacky on September 10, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
I took your advice and rang the cocker spaniel club and there are blue roan show pups being born next month so all being well I will have my baby by x - mas , cheers :D :D ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: wrenside on September 10, 2007, 06:47:51 PM
Well done for going down a reputable path to find your pup  :D
I do hope everything works out and that the pups and breeder meet your expectations and are honest and supportive. Fingers crossed for you  :blink:

Best wishes

Mary
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Nicola on September 10, 2007, 06:56:13 PM
That's great news, good luck  ;)
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Dessie on September 10, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
I would say an average price for a fully health tested Show Cocker is £600 and if some people think this is too expensive then they should really sit down and tutt up all the costs that are invovled in the breeding of a litter.  The health tests for the bitch which can cost around £100+, the stud fee again another £250+, the feeding of the bitch which will increase the further into her pregnancy she goes, the trips to the vets in case of any problems, then the whelping of the litter, whelping milk in case they don't feed from the bitch, maybe the bitch has had a c-section, your time to make sure the puppies don't get accidentally sat on by the bitch etc etc the list goes on and I think on average the cost of raising a litter of puppies is probably a lot more than £600.    These costs are just guesses on my part but I don't think I'm that far out.

If you'd prefer to go for a cheaper option ie no health testing, not sure of who the parents are etc you will be asking for a lot of heartache.

JMHO

Dessie
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Shelley on September 11, 2007, 06:12:28 PM
I took months finding a breeder that I was happy with I have to admit, I knew I wanted a show Cocker and colour wasn't important, but health checks for the parents were. I am very happy with the £650 I paid for both of mine..... They are cheaper than Newfs!
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: Dotties Mum on September 20, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
hmmm I would say more, but I think it depends where you live :huh:

Show Cockers in the South East sell for anywhere between £450 and £800 as far as I am aware :-\ and I don't think I am outta the loop on that one!!

EDA posted at the same time as magicflower!

I agree, we paid around the £600-£700 mark (don't really want to say how much exactly) and when we were looking that was the most common price range
Title: Re: how much is the average cost of a pedigree blue roan pup ?
Post by: ashley--sam on September 20, 2007, 08:40:48 PM
well my sam was £600 it may sound dear but he's worth it the average cost of a good pedigree pup would probably be around about £500-£600 at least. xx