CockersOnline Forum
Cocker Specific Discussion => General Cocker Spaniel Discussion => Topic started by: Top Barks on October 29, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
-
I have finally decided on what I'm doing for my canine behaviour degree dissertation.
I am going to look at whether there is a higher instance of behaviour problems with certain colours of cockers both working and show so I might need some pictures for my report and questionnaire.
It is something that really interests me and I'm really looking forward to getting my teeth into the research.
Hope you guys will help out.
Mark
-
potentially a myth-busting dissertation! look forward to your findings
-
I'll gladly fill in any questionnaires you need but I have another subject I am really interested in and not enough research on if you wish to write two :shades: :005:
-
Excellent topic choice! It's a subject that I find very interesting too so look forward to reading about your findings :shades:
-
Brillant idea.
Someone told me the other day that black cockers are more likely to be guarders. :-\ I do wonder where these ideas come from and how true they are. :005:
Ill look forward to helping and hopefully you can share your findings (im not sure how much you can disclose)
-
Sounds really interesting and flippin' hard work. ph34r Happy to fill in questionnaires etc if you need me to. ;) :D
-
With a couple of rescue 'behaviourally challenged' cockers here, I'd be more than happy to help in whatever way we can ;)
Good luck! :)
-
Happy to help. Have one each here! A worker and a show, a boy and a girl, a solid and a parti! Lol
-
Just tell us what you want!
Happy to help out here.
-
I have a mixed bag here: Smudge: gold show type 4 years old (well nearly ;) ) and Katie half show/half worker choc/tan and if you have a questionnaire I would be happy to fill it in if required. Also can provide photo/s of either/both if required.
-
Hi Mark
Interesting choice, I have 2 show cocker's Diesel - blue roan :angel: Olli -blue roan & tan >:D Love them both to bits, Olli is a work in progress :005: :005:
Would be happy to help :luv:
-
Have had a variety of colours and characters would be pleased to help
-
More than happy to help here too :D
-
More than happy to contribute if it would help - all show types here - male blue roan and tan (deceased :luv:), male and female blue roan.
Good Luck - and as others have said, if it is possible/legal, it would be great to read the finished article?
-
I'm also happy to help and very interested in the results. I have a solid gold who can be grumpy/maybe seem slightly aggressive and I'm sure some would say because of his colour that dreaded 4 letter word
Good luck
L&O x
-
One rather timid liver roan show type willing to help if needed :D
-
Just ask, any help willingly given by me and Skye, very lovable blue roan
-
oohh fab Mark!!!! :D
As the owner of a "grumpy" solid cocker I'd be more than happy to help :D
-
Only had a cocker for 8months but happy to help if we can.
-
I will gladly fill in a questionnaire and be very interested in your findings, as I met an owner of a blue roan cocker owner/competitor at a Heelwork show who also had a black and tan and she said there was no way she would try to get a black and tan to do heelwork to Music.
-
More than happy to help if we can Mark ;)
....will keep an eye out for further updates - good luck with it all :luv:
-
Happy to help here too :D
-
1 year old lemon working type - delighted to help if we can. Be fascinated in your findings to.
-
Me too, got plenty of colours for you here :shades:
-
1 very placid laid back gold roan show type here if you want me to fill out a questionaire. Pics are a bit few and far between tho as she hates having her photo taken!
Have a lovely pic of our last cocker Tilly, who was a show type, blue roan and tan and very placid, if you want to use that.
-
Very interesting subject Mark.....& will look forward to hearing the outcome too. :shades: :D
More than willing to help with info too.
-
I'd be happy to help too!
-
very interesting, i have blue roan show type, dark roan working type , dark roan mix of show and working and a new chocolate/liver mainly show type ;) :D
-
Be really happy to help out Mark :blink: we have 4 different colours to choose from and all very different behaviours :luv:
Jo
-
Great subject Mark :D
If you need to study a very gobby choccy show cocker, then Coco's your girl ::) :005:
-
Great subject Mark :D
If you need to study a very gobby choccy show cocker, then Coco's your girl ::) :005:
she is so gorgeous though :luv:
-
Great subject Mark :D
If you need to study a very gobby choccy show cocker, then Coco's your girl ::) :005:
she is so gorgeous though :luv:
She is but she knows it - I think that is why she is constantly shouting "look at me" ::) :lol2:
-
Just the one here... but happy to help with a questionnaire Mark. Really interesting subject as well, very interested in reading the outcome :blink:
-
Happy to be of assistance ;)
-
would be happy to help and be very intersested in your findings
-
Happy to help too :D
-
and me too
-
Will be a very interesting study ...good luck :D ..happy to help if I can.
-
I'll definitely help you out. You already know about the wee issues that my boy has had to overcome. :blink:
-
Wow you have certainly got your work cut out. Would be happy to help in anyway possible. Good luck Mark hope it goes well.
-
If I can help with your questionare, have one very vocal solid liver cocker spaniel and one more laid back but sometimes anxious liver roan cocker spaniel
-
Very happy to help Mark
-
I'd be very happy to help :D
All of mine have been show types and boys. I used to have a very cheeky golden and a soppy black. I now have a very confident orange roan and a challenging (or perhaps challenged) :005: blue roan and tan.
-
count me in if you need another :)
1 dark blue roan girl (spayed)
1 light blue roan girl (bitch)
and I had a golden girl as a teenager
:D sounds very interesting! People always told me that golden/red cockers were more prone to 'Cocker Rage Syndrome' but that solids in general were more prone to behavioural problems such as guarding, as someone has already said.. I've not found it to be true in my experience, but would love to help you find out!
-
Excellent subject choice, good luck with it.
Gobby Mali and Timid Elsie would love to chip in if needed :blink:
-
Well, you already know how Lyla is ph34r so add Kali too and I think we may be able to help!!
-
Count me in too
In fact I have already got the packing crate out ready to send Ben and Harry your way so you can study them at very close quarters ;) you don't even have to worry about sending them back in a rush :D
(Its been that sort of day :005:)
-
I'm slave to another blue roan and tan show boy - would love to be involved. :D
-
Sounds a really interesting subject :D Count me in with my two too
Tiffany - black & tan - show (private rehome, lived with about 14 other dogs)
Sasha - black & tan with a white speckly throat - worker (poss X show) (rehomed to me at 7 months)
Good luck with your dissertation :D
-
Very happy to help, although I don't consider either of mine have behaviour problems. They have different behaviours, some not as desirable as others (e.g. Annie barks more than we'd like and isn't the best at responding to recall when chasing birds) but not really "problems".
Are you familiar with www.surveymonkey.com ? Easiest (and cheapest) way to create online surveys ;)
-
;) Happy to help too Mark !
1 Gobby, bossy, cheeky, loveable black and white show girl Flo!
and
1 Adorable, laid back, angel of a rescue black show boy Barnaby!
:005:
-
That sounds really interesting. One light blue roan and tan show girlie here, 6 months old and scatty with it. Plus I had a very light blue roan show girlie before, had to lose her just before last Christmas.
-
Will gladly help, I have two black boys and a blue roan girl..
-
I'll help with pics and stuf fif you need it, we have a golden, let me know when you are ready for help
-
Happy to help. I have a 5 year old golden girl and a 7 year old blue roan boy, who acts more like a puppy!!
-
Certainly happy to help, Mark.
-
we'll help in any way we can Mark - have a gallery of cocker photo's that you're welcome too..dunno about what kind of behavioural problems you'll be looking at, but we can find summat wrong with Jarv to fit the bill I'm sure ;)
-
Well you know my feeling on the subject. :shades: Really look forward to a good read if it's available to read when your done. Also more than happy to help if I can. I have some very dangerous solids here. :shades: :005:
-
Put our name down too! We have a many and varied collection! :005: You might want to talk to our black and white boy, Chester who has the canine version of ADHD! :luv:
-
When I lost my first cocker, the vet told me: blacks don't like people, goldens don't like other dogs but particolours like everything. (Don't everyone shout at me - it was the vet who said that !!!!!!!)
I have had a golden, a blue roan & tan & a blue roan. I now have an orange roan and look after 2 golden cockers from next door, if I can be of any help.
-
Happy to help, two blue roan show types here xxx
-
yes also very happy to help we have a 14 month old golden girl who has been a nightmare puppy but finally now is showing us much better behaviour.
-
Solid black show type.
I would love to help. I could fill in a very very long set of answers. He's why I joined COL........... which reassured me that I didn't own a psychopath, just a shy genius. I hope you get a balanced range of personalities,not just the problem ones.
-
One blue roan and one solid black (both show types) waiting to help :shades:
-
Two solids and two particolours here - Lexi definitely fits stereotype of stroppy solid black cocker. Interestingly I met another owner of a black cocker who asked if Lexi was temperamental and how she got on with other dogs (she was thinking of getting another cocker, but her dog had shown some concerning behaviour). Lexi was originally given up as the previous owners couldn't cope with her, which I can understand to a certain extent - she is definitely a Jekyll and Hyde flitting between being very cute and cuddly and a snarling barking beastie usually without warning.
-
Happy to assist in any way we can!!! :D
-
More than happy to help you...if we can :D
-
Count me in too Mark, I've had 3 solid blacks - all completely different!
-
I am also happy to help, only got 1 elderly 11y/o working cocker who is THE BOSS in this house.
-
I'm more than happy to help. Just let us know what info you need ;)
-
Very happy to help.
I hope you will publish your findings. With a big enough sample you might be able to debunk (or prove) some of those myths!!
-
Hi Mark, having had to have my darling Millie PTS I would be very happy to help.....and very interested in your findings too.
-
Tri colour here,definately a larger than life character !Have also lived with a lemon roan many years ago,bit soppy if remember ::)
-
Perfectly happy to help out here as well.
Have always been interested if these were old wives tales or grounded in fact, Your study will make interesting reading (if we are allowed to :blink:)
-
I'm happy to help too! :D
I have a black lady aged 9 months + & she has the temperament of an angel! :angel:
-
Very happy to help.
I hope you will publish your findings. With a big enough sample you might be able to debunk (or prove) some of those myths!!
I'd really like around 500 dogs. I'm not really sure where this will lead so all the more reason to have a looksie.
Thanks for all the reply's
Mark
-
Would the fact that certain colours are bred more than others be taken into account, ie. wouldn't your sample have to reflect this as well
Plus would you have a control sample as well ;)
-
When I lost my first cocker, the vet told me: blacks don't like people, ......but particolours like everything.
That really made me laugh :rofl1:
Bella goes into paroxysms of delight when anyone new turns up,(perhaps she's hoping they will rescue her from me ph34r ). Whilst Fern (liver & white) was unsure of most dogs and people.
-
Pleased to help, Ollie dark blue roan
-
Tri and 2 blacks here happy to help!
-
Id love to help - and would love to know the results too.
Especially as we DID have agression problems with our golden cocker so were always dealing with that "cocker rage" theory.
Ive got a blue roan with tan, and ex now has the golden boy!
-
Would the fact that certain colours are bred more than others be taken into account, ie. wouldn't your sample have to reflect this as well
Plus would you have a control sample as well ;)
to get accurate findings i guess i'll have to Penny, I'll also have to try and take lots of other factors into account to try and either prove or dis prove my hypothesis.
-
An 11 month old golden show boy here, temperament is excellent (apart from usual mad cocker half hours!) Lesley ;)
-
You need a control if you are experimenting in some way – not sure you need one for the type of work you are doing, but you will defiantly need to consider bias in your sample – active COL members may not be totally representative of cocker owners in general! You will need some data from outside of COL I would of thought.
Among COL members you may for instance find a lower percentage of dogs coming from puppy farms, or more rescue dogs than normal or even a higher percentage of “problem” dogs – whose owners have been drawn to COL in the first place – could be a whole study in itself. :005:
Re designing questionnaires my experience is that you always end up wishing you had asked one extra question – perhaps you could use “Dog related polls” to get some interim data – check sample size and representativeness etc.
You have probably thought of all this and more ph34r– I used to work in research and I think I’m getting withdrawal symptoms- :005: Good luck.
-
One beautifully tempered, bomb proof but hyper solid gold and a more sedate but tricky blue roan here... happy to help!
Sounds exciting! I have worked in market research so different field, but I'm not sure how you could have a control group for the type research you're doing???
Splitting real behavioural issues from human handling/raising is going to be interesting too. It might be worth having a separate 'owner profile' for dogs raised from pup and rescue dogs also to try and distinguish if the problem is genuinely dog related or owner driven?
-
Put our name down too! We have a many and varied collection! :005: You might want to talk to our black and white boy, Chester who has the canine version of ADHD! :luv:
Got a female B&W version here ph34r
Do you want copies of the pedigrees too???
-
love to help grace is gold have been told lots of times golds are mad untrainable and aggressive >:D so not true grace is :luv:
-
Meant to add my last (black) cocker Barney :luv: had rather severe behavioural problems too. A very interesting topic :blink:
-
When I lost my first cocker, the vet told me: blacks don't like people, goldens don't like other dogs but particolours like everything. (Don't everyone shout at me - it was the vet who said that !!!!!!!)
interesting isn't how certain people have certain ideas on how colours effect personalities!! I have a golden who doesn't like most dogs :005: but i wouldn't sya it was done to his colour!! imagined if I'd only ever met and listened to your vet - I'd be blaming his colour for his behaviour!!!
L&O x
-
Would love to help here if we can.
Have a show black and white ticked boy here. Interestingly his breeder only breeds particolours due to possible behavioural problems in solids (her beliefs not mine!).
Glad Hannah raised the point of nature vs nurture as was going to say that merry has some behavioural probs which I'm sure are due to our mistakes as first time owners rather than genetics.
I also think environment plays a part too. We have just added to the COL baby boom ;) and merry's behavioural has changed due to the new baby and because we're not managing to give him quite as much exercise at the mo :-\
-
Splitting real behavioural issues from human handling/raising is going to be interesting too. It might be worth having a separate 'owner profile' for dogs raised from pup and rescue dogs also to try and distinguish if the problem is genuinely dog related or owner driven?
That would be interesting, having two dogs from pups and two rescues - there is definitely a difference, though Ellie is becoming more like Misha and Roly in temprement every day.
-
What I found very interesting about the colour 'myths' is that when we were looking at pups and knew nothing at all - breeders of blue roans told us solids were agressive, possessive and not good with people, while breeders of solids said that particolours were scatty, neurotic and not very bright ph34r
These were not just one off comments, but seemd to be genuine beliefs of a number of different people we talked too, including a vet >:D
This was 7 years ago - so hopefully ideas have changed a little since then ;)
-
Happy to help Mark :D 3 black working girls, 2 are half sisters and poles apart :lol2:
-
interesting! would be quite happy to help, nice but dim black/tan :005: and a brainy but vocal brown roan!
-
Another here that would like to help ;) one black bitch half working half show with a few issues and a show strain blue roan bitch.
-
One black worker and one golden worker.......the black is the one with issues which all strain (I believe) from him being kept kennelled for the first 10 months of his life being trained up as a gun dog......he doesn't cope well with dogs that want to play and jump all over him (we say he reckons he's too posh to play!)
The golden boy is the friendliest, loveliest little fella.....just a bit wary of small children as we don't come into contact with them very often........he completely confounds the theory of so called 'red dogs'....... ;)
-
Hi Mark, I would be happy to help. I recently had to re home Ginny a red cocker and was told by a few people that the aggressiveness she was displaying was due to her colour; I hasten to add that just as many people disputed this. I still have bella a little black worker who has a very different temperament to Ginny. I would be very interested in your findings. Good luck with your dissertation. Julie
-
Happy to take part too and would be interesting to see what you find.
There definitely seems to be a trend for people saying goldies/reds are psychos !!! >:( really annoys me!!
-
As the owner off a solid gold who was bought from a commercial breeder at 12 weeks old (didn't know any better back then) who was so laid back we used to joke he was a bit dim :luv:. And the current owner of a solid black with fear aggression and aggression to other dogs I would be happy to help. Have also had a nervous blue roan and now have Charlie who is blue roan and tan who has a couple of issues despite the most 'correct' upbringing of all our dogs.
-
Happy to help you Mark.
Alfie (laid back pale blue roan worker), Mollie (show/worker x cute but temperamental black besom) and Diane (very average dog-owning hooman)
-
happy to help, black male very quiet, gets along with all and one hyper lunatic blue female both Australian stock
-
Happy to help also. 1 solid black male worker (who is definately a people dog!)
-
I had a golden girl untill eleven no aggression but very family orientated my granddaughter fell off the chair onto her and sh e just got up and went away.Often people woul say reds and golds had problems.Inow have a black and tan whos mother was related to Jenny and Penny is so different and loves every one and harder to train If I can help email me.
-
Im happy to help too Mark. I recently finished my dissertation and understand how important high response rates are :blink:
Hurley - goldent show cocker and not a nasty bone in his fluffy body :luv:
-
A guarding black rescue here too, happy to help!
-
Happy to help also, Holly orange roan show cocker here, couldn't of wished for a better family dog!
I aired on the side of caution solid or parti/roan when deciding on a pup, I wanted a solid golden show cocker but with varying views went for orange roan (Hollys more than golden for me :luv:) as a family dog I wasn't prepared to risk it, probably stupid, but went with my gut feeling!
-
Wow this sounds really interesting Mark. I would be more than happy to help out.
-
This sounds really interesting Mark and I would be very interested to read what you discover.
We have got a 1 year old solid black cocker called Cinders. She is can be hyper but very loving, extremely clever and is definitely a people person (or should that be dog!!). Would be more than happy to help you out!
-
Can I ask how exactly are going to help? i.e. Are we going to complete a questionnaire?
Or our comments for our dogs (color - age etc.) on this thread are enough?
-
Hey no problems in helping you at all - what ever you need- I have a solid black and white show cocker who is adorable! He has got more guarding the older he gets but is very sweet and social
Also I was a registered memeber of the Market Research Society and I have studied questionnaire deisgn at degree level so I am happy to review your questionnaire for you, just PM me
Cheers
-
Thank you :D
-
Glad to help if info on a Canadian cocker is helpful. Are you doing an on-line questionnaire?
-
Mark, it would be a pleasure. Send me what you need me to do and I'll try and squeeze you into my busy schedule!!!!
-
Liver roan lady and blue roan loon boy - both show type. Happy to help if I can. Should be very interesting.