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Offline Ben's mum

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I will apologise in advance for a very long post and quite understand if you don't make it to the end, but I really do need to get this off my chest and just want to feel I've been able to say how I feel to someone even if I end up talking to myself..... most of my friends would not understand how I feel as they don't 'get' my obsession with cockers.

First of all I will say that the breeder I am talking about I've never seen on COL and have no reason to think she ever comes on here and obviously I would not post this if I thought she did.  Secondly although I have mentioned on other threads I was going to look at a pup I have not said where in the county or which breeder so there is no way of identifying who I am talking about as I am very aware there are always two sides to every story and I don't think its fair to say things when someone else hasn't got the opportunity to put their side of the story. 

Only really making those points as I have no wish to cause offense or be unfair in anyway - but I am truly truly unhappy and upset which is why I need to share. I have admitted before that I made mistakes when buying my Ben.  I didn't understand about the importance of health checks and basically bought him from a chaotic BYB.

I always wanted 2 dogs, but because of some behavioural issues thought it was not possible.  However he is 6 in March, we have worked hard with a behaviourist, Ben has grown up and matured into a great boy who is much more settled than I ever thought would be possible and last summer we started thinking it was possible to get another dog.  We thought about an older dog, but for one reason or another decided it might not be the best for Ben.  So last autumn I started looking into pups.  Reading up on all the health checks and looking at different breeders websites, this time I wanted to do things right. We decided that we would start looking after Christmas and don't care how long it takes to find the right pup.

A week ago we saw on one of the breeders websites that we had been looking at regularly a 12 week girl and she sounded ideal.  I talked to the breeder and we agreed to visit yesterday.  My only reservation was her age and I did ask a question on the puppy board about whether that mattered and after reading responses decided it probably didn't.
We visited and the pups were stunning. Lively, beautiful shiney healthy coats, very friendly and obviously well socialised. My OH fell in love at once. 
However for me there were two issues, firstly the pups were bigger than I thought.  This is the first litter of pups I have seen since we bought Ben 6 years ago, and I wasn't prepared for how big they are at 12 weeks and I felt a bit sad to miss out on the tiny stage from 8 weeks. But I didn't know I would feel that until I saw them.

The main issue though for me is that the pups were not innoculated.  Now I take all the responsibility for not asking the question on the phone before we went.  I just assumed that becuase of the age they would be done so they were ready to meet the outside world. 

I don't know if this is normal for breeders not to innoculate if they are this age - and thats not really the issue.  The thing is I would be worried bringing an uninnoculated puppy home here as I know the immunity from mums milk will have gone and it would be a couple of weeks before the innoculation kicks in and about a month before she would be safe to go out - so she would be 4 months old by then.  Ben mixes with a lot of dogs, he goes all over the place and I would be worried sick for a couple of weeks that she would be at risk of picking something up from him or his doggy friends at agility.
If we didn't already have Ben I might have felt different, but I am worried about stuff like parvo etc which we do get round here until she is fully innoculated.  I might be being paranoid I don't know  :huh:  but thats how I feel and I don't want to spend what should be a happy time being scared that she might catch something so we decided to say no after a long discussion last night. Some people might disagree and thats fine and I don't blame the breeder its my fault for not asking the question.

Now this is the bit I'm struggling with - when I got home at lunch today to ring the breeder to tell her our decisian, there was already a message on my answerphone asking if we had made our mind up as she had never had anyone leave without making a desician before and she wanted to know what we  were going to do - although she did say she wasn't putting any pressure on us, but it did feel like that.

I rang staight back to tell her and she wasn't very nice.  She said after all the years of being a breeder she could tell when people were wasting her time and she thought we were.  I was stunned.  We were not - we were prepared to buy a pup if it was right, but it wasn't for us.  We were not 'messing about' we took time off work and had a 5 hour round trip to look at the pup, which is not a problem I know we have to travel to find the right one.  But believe me if i just wanted to look at a cute pup I would have chosen a breeder just down the road! This is the first pup we had looked at, and we wanted it to be right but it just wasn't. 

She said she had never had anyone want to think about it overnight.  I said we thought her pups were beautiful and we were sorry but it just wasn't right for us and she hung up on me.

I am just gutted.  I'm not normally over sensitive but I feel awful.  I have spent all afternoon wondering what we did wrong.  I feel like my confidence is completly shaken and am totally scared now to look at any other pups.  I thought we were doing everything right, I thought we had been careful, responsible and we making a decisian that is right for us.
Why then was she so unkind?  My OH has told me that I shouldn't worry so much, but I can't shake this awful flat feeling.  Looking for a pup was exciting a few days ago and the thought of it now fills me with dread.  I really can not go through that again. We chose what I thought after research a 'good' breeder and I'm sure she is an excellent breeder but why could't she have just said 'ok, thank you for telling me' and been pleasant and leave it at that, why be unkind?

Does everyone that goes to look at a pup always say yes? 
What happens if its not right for you are you not allowed to say no - or to think about it? 
Ok thats it, really really sorry to ramble on and write an essay, but its rare I feel so upset about stuff, I am normally pretty chilled out, but I don't think how I can explain how I feel. I was looking forward to this, we have waited so long and now its spoilt and my confidence is low and just not sure at all where to go from here.

Bens mum


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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 07:50:21 PM »
If you didnt feel comfortable then you did the right thing. 

I have been to see a breeder and said i was not interested after seeing them (obviously nicely though) and the breeder was fine about it. 

You will find the right breeder and pup soon i am sure.





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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 07:51:21 PM »
Sorry that you had a bad experience  :-\ We re- homed a dog aged 5 she had never been vaccinated, she was from a well known breeder but I personally had no issues with this. She was taken to the vet and vaccinated straight away  :blink:
I am sure people have walked away from litters before  :-\ maybe they will be along soon.
I am soft and always seem to walk away with a pup  :blink:
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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 07:54:53 PM »
Please don't be upset. I think it is true that a lot of pups are decided on there and then i know we did with bonnie as it turns out she has been fine . I really do think that if more potential owners took just that little bit longer to make up their minds then some problems would be avoided. As far as i can see any breeder with the pups best interests at heart would be more than happy with someone who takes the time to really think about it. It was obvious that all she could see was no pound notes. If you want a pup there will be other  and better opportunities.  You take care ,you made the right decision
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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 07:58:16 PM »
You have every right to decline!  You did the right thing, you have to be 100% sure.



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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 08:00:47 PM »
Please don't be upset by what happened....This was a problem on the breeders side and not yours and this will not be the norm for when you are looking as most breeders would welcome someone taking the decision so seriously.  :-*
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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 08:02:31 PM »
IMHO if you don't feel 100% about anything then the answer should be no, and if that is how you felt then that is your choice.  I to would probably feel the same as you if i had received the same response like you did.  It's hard to not be sold on the cute pup in all honesty if we had been more honest with outselves years ago when we went to view my now deceased Lace  :luv: we wouldn't have bought her, she was petrified and wouldn't come near us BUT we felt so sorry for her and bought her anyway....NOt that she didn't give us lots of joy but it was at time very hard work  :luv:

You did the right thing by what you have posted,for you and your family.  YOu will find a lovely puppy to fit into your family  :luv:

Oh and when i got Laney she was 6mths old and hadn't had any vaccinations  >:(
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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2009, 08:04:05 PM »
No, don't be upset. If only everyone took a little time to think things over, maybe so many dogs wouldn't end up in rescue. Be easy on yourself, if it wasn't right for you, then you had every right to say no, and you were polite, and didn't drag it out for days.  Chin up, and back to the drawing board. Sarah


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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 08:06:13 PM »
I would have thought that if she was a breeder who was concerned for the welfare of her pups that she would rather someone take the time and think about it carefully, than rush into a decision and end up re-homing.  Of course you are allowed to say no.  I have done this, albeit from a backyard breeder. I found it very hard cos there were only 2 pups left and they were adorable, but I had reservations about the parents, the conditions they were kept in (not socialised) and my son persuaded me that I had to think with my head and not with my heart; he said that failure to do this could lead to a lifetime of heartache and vets bills (such a wise lad sometimes).  I'm now glad we didnt take the first pup.  dont feel down.  I know you feel bad today, but things will seem brighter in a day or two when the initial shock has worn off. Happy puppy hunting



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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 08:12:58 PM »
Looking for a new puppy is such an enjoyable time, I wouldnt let someone spoil that for me, as i have read above if your not happy its better to take a step back and think about it and in your own time make your choice whilst you are in your own home when you have time to think, I think you made the right choice, I wouldnt let someone get me down,

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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 08:14:52 PM »
You are right to walk away if you don't feel that all is right.

She sounds quite nasty and that in itself is probably a sign that you have done the right thing.

You say that you normally aren't so sensitive, and I think you feel this way over this issue because you invested so much in your hopes and dreams that you would be returning with this pup. So that the injustice of her reaction is mixed with your own disappointment.

Try to not let her get to you and just be glad that you had the courage to walk away even though the pup was gorgeous.

You will find the right pup for you in the end and it will all be worth it.

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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 08:23:44 PM »
You are right to walk away if you don't feel that all is right.

She sounds quite nasty and that in itself is probably a sign that you have done the right thing.

Ditto  ;)
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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2009, 08:25:27 PM »
I would say well done you! I have been long distances to see dogs all be it rescues and come home empty handed as i wasn't sure.
I went all the way to cardiff for Alfie (10 hr round trip) prepared to come home without him if he wasn't for me.

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Re: very upset, long post will understand if you don't make it to the end.
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2009, 08:26:21 PM »
You did the right thing, you have to be 100% plus you will want a good after 'sales' relationship with the breeder and doesn't sound like that might have been the case  :huh:
We looked at a litter and walked away if it makes you feel better. Purely based on a 'something I can't put my finger on gutt feeling' so I am sure it happens a lot.
In defense of the breeder she is maybe panicking about selling the pups, we have all heard of so many litters being left unsold in the current economic situation.
Don't let it put you off a pupster, there will be one with your name all over it  :luv: :luv:
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2009, 08:27:31 PM »
I think you did the right thing as others have already said. I think you will find that a lot breeders will be having trouble selling their pups. I know one breeder at my ring craft that has been left with two pups that she hasn't had anyone enquire about. So i may be that this breeder is in the same boat and is getting desperate to sell  ;)