Sue, I know Rufus is only 3/4 working, but his half show mummy was tiny.When we went back at 9 months he made her and his sisters look emaciated, even so as the vet says, he is not a large framed cocker. If you see him next to other cockers, he is fatter than a few, but slim compared to others. He is a tad under 13kg. but cruella thinks he should be nearer 12kg. Since the new regime, he has lost an inch at least from his waist which is now 17 inches(wish I could say the same!), and his chest remains 24. I think he is 15-16 to the shoulder, and 22 long Without measuring, this would not have been obvious, even when wet. His overall weight hasn't changed except by a few grams, so I wonder whether the bulk/muscle distribution changes. He did not fill out til he was atleast 30 months. I am going to ask the vet at his next check up to show me how to judge and feel for fat as I do not think weight alone is very useful. If you compare him to say Milly, who is about Chloe's age I think, he is a taller, but less stocky in the body ie his legs are making up a greater proportion of his height. I cannot see how leggy Chloe is from the photos, but body must weigh more than leg! Maybe Chloe is meant to be a thicker build? She certainly looks chunkier than some of Rufus's waif like worker friends, but she does not look fat.