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Cocker Specific Discussion => Grooming => Topic started by: CraftySam on October 08, 2006, 09:45:56 PM
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Barney and AnnieM's Jade spent the day at a grooming workshop today, with us of course!
Both Ann and I had a great time and learnt loads. There were three of us on the grooming workshop, and Lynette, the instructor, was fab. :D Two of us were not intending to show and Ann is. Although I don't want to show Barney I did want to strip him, and trim him as if he was going to be shown, rather than clip him. The things I were shown to do were slightly different to how Ann was shown for how to groom for showing, so we all got what we needed to out of it, and ended up with fabulous looking dogs!
Compared to Jade, Barney was a total fluff ball, and thats after I'd stripped some out at home. :005: I say was because a beautiful rich red coat has emerged from beneath all that fluff! :luv: I can't believe what a difference its made, its like I've come home with a different dog! :005: And he's so thin, he's looked like a barrel for months, but it was all pure fluff.
Ann's going to post pics of Jade, but I bet she's busy right now......she was going home to attack Amber!
I wish I'd taken a before pic, but this is the best I can do for before :-\
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j93/samtrotter/Barney/DSCF10002.jpg)
and after :luv:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j93/samtrotter/Barney/dscf10182.jpg)
I don't think the pic does him justice really, might try again in daylight tomorrow. It doesn't show up very well that he really has a two tone effect, rich gold body and light gold feathering and legs.
Jade and Barney did so well, they put up with us all day and all they wanted to do was go to sleep in the end. :luv:
Both Ann and I felt very proud of what we achieved. :D
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Sam, Barney looks AMAZING :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv:
What a clever girl you are :shades: Sounds like a great course, so glad you enjoyed it :Dxxxxx
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Barney looks very smart. :luv:
I wonder how long he'll stay that way. :005:
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Barney looks very smart. :luv:
I wonder how long he'll stay that way. :005:
So do I. ::) By the time he's had his early morning walk tomorrow his beautifully groomed feathering will be straggly again......until nasty mummy get the hairdryer out again! :005:
One good thing, now all that puppy fluffs gone, his back won't have to be dried! :D
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:luv: :luv: Well done Sam, you did a great job,Barney looks all 'growed up' and gorgeous as ever :luv: Jnan and Flo
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Had a fantastic day, so well worth the trip. I will put photo's on of Jade tomorrow as I had to do my sons hair when I got in and haven't had time. ::) I am doing Amber tomorrow night now. The difference in Barney is AMAZING, he really was a little fluff ball, even more so than in the first picture, he was so well behaved too, apart from in the bath. ph34r (cried like a girl, sorry Barney!!) :005: Lovely to meet Sam too of course.
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The difference in Barney is AMAZING, he really was a little fluff ball, even more so than in the first picture, he was so well behaved too, apart from in the bath. ph34r (cried like a girl, sorry Barney!!) :005:
ph34r ph34r You're so right, how embarrasing. ::) He has a bath nearly every week with never too much carrying on, he made so much noise today he was unbelievable. ::) He is a big baby though, squeals at the drop of a hat. :005:
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Brilliant job!! :D He looks fantastic :luv: :luv:
It doesn't show up very well that he really has a two tone effect, rich gold body and light gold feathering and legs.
Bailey has that. A deep red on his back but really light feathering on his legs. I love it!!! :luv:
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Brilliant job!! :D He looks fantastic :luv: :luv:
It doesn't show up very well that he really has a two tone effect, rich gold body and light gold feathering and legs.
Bailey has that. A deep red on his back but really light feathering on his legs. I love it!!! :luv:
Thanks Elisa. :D So Bailey has stayed that way then? I wondered if it was still puppy fur and would change as he got older, but maybe not then.
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Wow he looks beautiful hun :luv:
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:clapping: Very smart :clapping:
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he looks fantastic, you've done a great job
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Agree - Barney looks beautiful. Scooter also was a gigantic fluff ball (and in fact, even at the age of 15 months he's still quite fluffy :luv:). Same colouring as Bailey and Barney - red on his back, blonde feathering....all stunning golden boys!
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Well done
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I've tried to take a couple of pics that show his two tone effect.
This is with the flash
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j93/samtrotter/Barney/DSCF1023-1.jpg)
This is without the flash
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j93/samtrotter/Barney/DSCF1033-2.jpg)
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Wow, he looks fab. ;)
What time can I bring Coco round to yours? :005:
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Wow, he looks fab. ;)
What time can I bring Coco round to yours? :005:
Anytime Joules, I just loved doing it! ;) :lol:
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If I set off now, I might be with you by Wednesday! :005:
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He's Stunning Sam :luv: :luv: Well Done, You'll have to run your own grooming courses - your in popular demand :shades: :005:
Annie I'll look forward to the pics of Jade :luv: ;)
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Yes they should be on in a little while. ;)
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Barney looks lovely :luv:
Can't wait to see Jade and Amber now :D
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Brilliant job, Sam.
I'm going to follow Joules so long as she is sure she knows the way!
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Excellent job Sam :D Glad you found the workshop beneficial - I really need to get to one or I'll be forever blundering around pretending I know what I'm doing :005:
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Well here she is at long last. Just had to dry her off again as we have just got back from the park. I will get round to Amber sooner or later.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/annalbans/Amber%20and%20Jade/Jadeaftergrooming24weeks-1.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/annalbans/Amber%20and%20Jade/Jadeaftergrooming2-24weeks.jpg)
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Annie she looks amazing, such a gorgeous girl :luv: :luv: :-* :-* You and Sam have done a brilliant job on both Barney and Jade :D
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Wow!
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Thank you, :luv: it was great fun and very, very helpful. The girls are in their first show in a few weeks, so it should come in very useful. :shades:
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Lovely :luv:
Are you taking them to Rotherham cocker?
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Yes, providing they got the application on time. I forgot to post it and suddenly realised Friday morning. ::) I am very worried about it though as it's my first ever show and with little stunners like Chico around I can see the competition will be tough. :P Oh well we will go, try and enjoy and see what happens. ph34r
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Ann, she still looks so gorgeous! :luv: I can't wait to see Amber when you've done her! I'm feeling rather envious of you having another to do. :shades:
Everyone else......bring them on!! :005: I just love doing it and poor Barney's going to end up with more time on the grooming table than anywhere else as I just love doing it! ::) :005: I wonder if I'm a bit odd, liking it so much. :lol:
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Amber will get done today, I hope, but first we are off to the woods, which equals mud, so that means a bath first, so I guess I'll be taking a fluff ball to ringcraft tonight. ::) She stays fluffy for ages.
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Brilliant job!! :D He looks fantastic :luv: :luv:
It doesn't show up very well that he really has a two tone effect, rich gold body and light gold feathering and legs.
Bailey has that. A deep red on his back but really light feathering on his legs. I love it!!! :luv:
Thanks Elisa. :D So Bailey has stayed that way then? I wondered if it was still puppy fur and would change as he got older, but maybe not then.
Yes, Bailey's has stayed like that. His feathering is very thick, fluffy and light, but his back is silky smooth and a very deep colour. The top of his head is very light too.
This is the best pic I could find that you can see the difference. Not the best, sorry ph34r
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/elisamcm/10-17-2005085601PM.jpg)
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Brilliant job!! :D He looks fantastic :luv: :luv:
It doesn't show up very well that he really has a two tone effect, rich gold body and light gold feathering and legs.
Bailey has that. A deep red on his back but really light feathering on his legs. I love it!!! :luv:
Thanks Elisa. :D So Bailey has stayed that way then? I wondered if it was still puppy fur and would change as he got older, but maybe not then.
Yes, Bailey's has stayed like that. His feathering is very thick, fluffy and light, but his back is silky smooth and a very deep colour. The top of his head is very light too.
This is the best pic I could find that you can see the difference. Not the best, sorry ph34r
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/elisamcm/10-17-2005085601PM.jpg)
Thanks Elisa. :D Barney's very much like Bailey, though his head is a bit darker than Bailey's but his legs are just the same.
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Yes, providing they got the application on time. I forgot to post it and suddenly realised Friday morning. ::) I am very worried about it though as it's my first ever show and with little stunners like Chico around I can see the competition will be tough. :P Oh well we will go, try and enjoy and see what happens. ph34r
You can always phone up the secretary and ask if they have recived your entry form :blink:
Its also Chico's first show aswell :blink: so we are not sure how he will be.
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Wow- Barney & Jade look really fabulous!!
I do like the solid colours;they both look so shiney!!
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Jade is lovely :luv:
Good luck at their first show Ann! :D
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Thank you, unless I bottle it and don't go. :huh:
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Do go :D! I'm sure you'll enjoy it and if not at least you've tryed/had a go :shades:
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I probably will, Jade is a bit leggy and without much featherings, she looks it. She will look better when she has something to cover those gorgeous long legs of hers, wish I took after her. :005:
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You've both done a great job :D ! Gold's aren't the easiest are they :005: ?!!
Look forward to seeing you at Rotherham, Ann - Good luck! (not that you'll need it!)
Nikki X
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Fantastic Job.
If you fancy a challenge I will send Saffie round. The last few weeks she has turned into a ball of fluff. I am not sure if it is a winter coat she is growing or just her puppy coat gone mad. :005:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h40/Solo_Sapphire/Saffie_001.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h40/Solo_Sapphire/Saffie_002.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h40/Solo_Sapphire/Saffie_003.jpg)
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Rich, I've not seen pics of her for a bit, but she's really grown up and she's got such a pretty face. :luv: How old is Saffie now? If I remember rightly she's a tad older than Barney so is she about 7 months?
No, its not a winter coat. Her puppy fluff looks as if it may be ready to be stripped out, if not it might be in a month or two. Have you had a go to see if its ready? Her top knot looks like its ready for taming. :005: It seems to differ from pup to pup when they are ready to be stripped, Barney seemed to be ready about a month ago which is fairly early from what I can gather. Try weaving a rubber band through a comb, then run in through her coat. If it brings out hair then some of her puppy coat if not all is ready to come out.
I'll happily pass on to you what I learnt at the workshop, you're not far from me, so drop me a PM. I loved doing Barney, I'm even looking forward to his coat growing again! :005: Maybe I've found myself a new hobby. ;)
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Hi Sam,
Saffie will be 34 weeks old on sunday.
I tried the rubber band and comb yesterday and a fair bit came out but I didnt know how much force to be putting on it and I have chop loads off her head with thinning scissors last week and the wee before that. She has gotten so much darker than we she first came home. I dont want to harm her with the hand stripping by pulling too hard or the wrong way!
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Rich, I was like you until I went on the workshop, I wasn't sure whether to keep going with the comb as loads of hair was coming out. I'd asked on here and was told it would only bring out the dead hair that was waiting to come out. If you're not going to show her I'd use a coat king. Thats what I used in the end, it was by far the most efficent way of getting the puppy coat out. I believe blue roans have even more puppy fluff than golds, but again depends from dog to dog. For example blacks usually have alot more than golds, but Barney had at least twice the amount of fluff than AnnieM's Jade who is black.
I'd try handstripping her head. Pull in the direction of her growth, pick up only a very small amount and don't pull at the end of the hair, pull nearer the base of the shaft, maybe just over half way down. If its ready to come out it will come out fairly easlier. She looks like she's got a fair amount to come out so do it a bit each day.
Of course there's the option of clippering, I believe once you start there's no going back. If you're going to spay her she'll have to be clipped from then on. If you're not going to spay then personally I'd try stick with the hand stripping. If you want some help with stripping and trimming give me a shout. Not all groomers hand strip, I know they do at MyPetStop for a small fortune!! If you want to go down the clipping route I know someone who has just had their cocker pup clipped and they are very pleased with the results (I've not seen her) and was done very reasonably in Morley.
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Hi Sam,
Saffie has been speyed and I had her clipped at ages ago. I didnt really like the look as it was a bit too harsh and now winter is getting nearer i wouldnt get her done. I think tomorrow I will try the hand stripping. I have seen lots of lovely pics on here where cockers have smooth heads but I think Saffie will always have the wild look about her. I chopped loads and loads off the last few weeks and managed to get it looking smart, she then shook her head and it puffed back up in volume :005:
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I would go with the coat king. Barney was incredibly fluffy and the coat king worked wonders on him, I was shown to use the Mikki blue stripping knife on Jades head as well as hand stripping as she is not keen on me doing her head. It worked amazingly well. ;)
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Hi Sam,
Saffie has been speyed and I had her clipped at ages ago. I didnt really like the look as it was a bit too harsh and now winter is getting nearer i wouldnt get her done. I think tomorrow I will try the hand stripping. I have seen lots of lovely pics on here where cockers have smooth heads but I think Saffie will always have the wild look about her. I chopped loads and loads off the last few weeks and managed to get it looking smart, she then shook her head and it puffed back up in volume :005:
Rich, As far as I'm aware after speying handstripping is virtually impossible. :-\ I think that doesn't happen overnight, its when the hormones are removed, so she may well have some still left at the moment as she can't have been done that long ago. Tbh I think you'll struggle the the banded comb, to get everything out, particularly as she's been clipped too. I had spent hour and hours with the banded comb and I did get piles out fluff out of him each time, enough to fill a nappy sack (i use for poo bags) each time. I'd filled about four of those before AnnieM saw him, and as she says in the post above, he was still incredibly fluffy. I used the coat king, for a couple of hours in the workshop and all his fluff on his back was gone. :D
I would think you may get away with using the coat king now, but ultimately I think clipping may be your only option. Thats why I'm avoiding castrating Barney.
The lady running the workshop did say that out of all the colours of cockers, if you were going to clip the blue roans look the best. Perhaps try and find someone who will clip her as you would like her done. If she's been clipped once then I would think her puppy fluff will have already gone from her back, maybe not from her feathering. Once speyed coats to do very wooly, very much like puppy fluff but thicker.
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Sam
Only just seen this thread - Barney looks absolutely stunning :D In fact, they both do, beautiful :angel:
Must get the coat king out myself this week-end, Scooby is looking at bit bedraggled. His coat is an absolute nightmare, I use thinners on his head and the coat king elsewhere. He's got a really woolley difficult coat ::)
When I went to see Misty last Sunday the breeder says she looks like she's gonna have a thick coat (I know the blacks are supposed to have more coat anyway) - looks like I'll be spending hours grooming :lol:
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Sam
Only just seen this thread - Barney looks absolutely stunning :D In fact, they both do, beautiful :angel:
Must get the coat king out myself this week-end, Scooby is looking at bit bedraggled. His coat is an absolute nightmare, I use thinners on his head and the coat king elsewhere. He's got a really woolley difficult coat ::)
When I went to see Misty last Sunday the breeder says she looks like she's gonna have a thick coat (I know the blacks are supposed to have more coat anyway) - looks like I'll be spending hours grooming :lol:
Thanks Joanne. :D I'd read alot on here that blacks have really thick coats, but Barney's coat was way fluffier/thicker than AnnieM's Jade. I'm learning that it can be so different from dog to dog. The coat king is definitely a god send when they are fluff balls like Barney.
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I was suprised at how soft and fluffly all her hair is after she was clipped at 16 weeks. She was speyed nearly 2 months go so I am not sure if it is just her puppy coat that has grown back or if now she is speyed she is becoming wooly. I am off to PAH tomorrow to buy a Coat King and see what difference that makes. I will never be showing saffie but want her to look more smart than scruffy. When I did use the comb and rubber band I did get a fair bit of fluff off her. I have spoken with a new groomer that has just opened up round the corner and she has suggested clipping saffie but not with such a short blade. I want her to still have some fluff left but shorter than it is at present.
I will post some after pictures over the weekend and hopefully she will look less fluffy!
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Don't think you'll find a coat king in P&H. I have only seen tham on line.
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Don't think you'll find a coat king in P&H. I have only seen tham on line.
I agree Annette, I've never seen them in PAH, its a more specialist grooming piece of equipment. This is the ONE (http://www.groomers-online.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_73&products_id=365) I got.
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I shall have to investigate as I went to 3 different pet stores/shops and found an array of grooming products. One or two look straight forward and others look rather scary. I have combed alot of fluff out of Saffie today and will continue with that plus the two items i bought today also.
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Hi
I was really impressed with your results where did you find out about the workshop? Do they run them nationally?
Thanks
Gemma and Oscar
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Hi everyone
We have had Jack clipped a few times at a groomers local to me but we have never been totally satisfied with it. We tried to have a go ourselves but he get matted so quickly no matter how often we groom him! He is a black solid, im very interested in a workshop - where did you get the info from - im new to cockers online so any ideas would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Nichola
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Hi Oscar2006 and nm760
The grooming workshop we attended was held at MyPetStop in Leeds. There are only two MyPetStops in the UK at the moment, the second is in Manchester. Triple A in the north east is owned by the same company.
I am not sure as to whether grooming workshops are held anywhere else but Leeds. The lady who holds them is the head groomer in Leeds and she is also a lecturer at Bishop Burton College.
I don't know where abouts in the country you are so I don't whether its an option for you. If it is contact them on 0113 2202840 and ask for details on a grooming workshop with Lynette. She does them as and when people request them, and will show you how to groom for showing, or how to groom for a pet cut either handstripping or clipping which ever you choose.
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Both Jade and Barney look fantastic. Hurley
is was very similar to Barney pre-strip!!! And Im definately inspired to get Hurley done - he is like a big bear at the moment and Im pretty sure his puppy coat is all but ready to be stripped off. Although I dont intend to show him I dont want him clipped and I definately want to keep part of his top knot in place ::) ph34r
Bearing in mind that the photo below was taken at the beginning of August and we are now at the end of October - there's definately an awful lot of grooming to be done... I do try and brush/comb him every other day or so my only concern is that the matts might be deeper set than I am brushing. I did try and cut his hairy feet a while back and now they look ridiculously tiny compared to the rest of his hairy body!!!!
Its a shame you guys don't live closer - I'd be happy to give Hurley to you to practice on!!! :D Any hints and tips would be much appreciated...
(http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image/136/0/1/O/136012443O492255865.jpg)
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Hi
Thanks for the info I live about 30 miles from Leeds so will definately give them a call.
Hopefully Oscar will be looking sleek and tamed rather than wild soon.
Gemma
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Caroline, what a gorgeous pic of Hurley. :luv:
Barney was just like that, but probably even a bit more fluffier! AnnieM couldn't believe it when she saw him for the first time! :005: I can't believe that he's got the same white side burns that Barney had, I used to call him Amos Brearly (a character from Emmerdale a long long time ago who had massive side burns) :005:
I'm like you, I don't want to show Barney but neither do I want to clip him. I've only seen a couple of golds clipped but I really didn't like the finish at all. Our tutor said the best colour for clipping is blue roan and the worst is gold, thats not to say that a good finish is impossible on a clipped gold it just more difficult to get it.
How old is Hurley? Typically the puppy coat is ready to come out 7 to 9 months I think. Barney's was coming out at 5 months, which was really early. Thats one of the reasons I didn't go diving in and removing it all as I was a bit unsure whether it really was ready. From about four months old he developed a rich gold streak down his back and that was gradually spreading over his body.
Have you got a Coat King? As you're not going to show him its the easiest and quickest way to strip out the puppy fluff. I had one, and had used it once but I wasn't sure how long to keep going with it as it was bringing out so much fluff. Well the answer is keep going until it stops bringing out the fluff. Use it on his back and sides but not his skirt, legs, chest and back end. I didn't want a top knot but I didn't find the coat king easy to use so I hand strip his head.
If you don't want to use a Coat King you can use a comb with a rubberband woven through it. I used that for quite a while, it did get alot of fluff out but it was taking quite a long time.
Barney had a beard which was really long, I removed that using thinning scissors. When you use thinning scissors you need to cut up or down the hair growth direction and never across if that makes sense. After I trimmed the beard off, by holding his head up and cutting upwards I also took of the long hair above the breast bone, below is left as feathering.
At his back end I trimmed back the hair above the "rose", which is like a crown, with the thinning scissors up to his bum and trimmed his tail (it docked). I also trimmed that back of his hocks again with the thinning scissors.
His feet we again done with thinning scissors. A cockers foot is described as "cat like". I was quite shocked at how much hair was to come off as they are taken right back. Pull up the hair thats between his toes so that it sticking up. Then trim upwards from the front edge onto the top of the foot. You'll also need to trim away the underneath of the foot in between his pads too. I use a pair of smaller blunt ended scissors for that.
The top of his ears will need trimming with the thinning scissors in a downward direction. Its a bit difficult to describe the effect you are wanting to achieve. :-\
The front of his front legs can be handstripped or done using a stripping knife.
I think thats those are the main things. I got the dvd by Jackie Marris-Bray about handstripping a Cocker, you're more than welcome to borrow it if you'd like. PM me your address if you'd like it sending.
Hope this helps a bit.