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Cocker Specific Discussion => Grooming => Topic started by: Michele on May 27, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
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THE SOLID COLOURS COCKER SPANIEL ASSOCIATION
Present
A KC SEMINAR AND TRIMMING WORKSHOP
SATURDAY, 28TH JUNE 2008
WEEDON BEC VILLAGE HALL, near NORTHAMPTON
(3 miles Junction 16 M1)
Morning
Kennel Club Seminar – The Requirements of a Dog Show Judge
Kennel Club Accredited Trainer – Christina Chapman
This seminar covers all the rules and regulations you need to know if you wish to judge at any show. It involves a talk by our very entertaining speaker and a multiple choice test to acquire a certificate. The certificate is required for any of the Breed Council judging lists.
The seminar is also useful if you wish to steward at shows or just for your personal interest and the test is not compulsory.
This seminar is not just for cocker folk so you can bring friends in other breeds.
Lunch
Ploughman’s lunch and sweet.
Afternoon
Trimming Workshop
The afternoon will start with a short introduction. The rest of the time will be a workshop with a number of people offering advice and demonstrations of different aspects of trimming for show and pet cocker spaniels. You are welcome to bring your own dogs but no more than two and don’t expect a complete makeover. Solid and parti-colour cockers welcome.
It would be useful if people with dogs are able to bring their own grooming equipment and a grooming table if at all possible.
Morning coffee and afternoon tea will be available.
For further information, prices and booking forms please contact Barbara Ward Tel: 01832 293432 or email BarbaraWatWensum@aol.com. All committee members will also be able to help with information
TIMETABLE (Timings approximate)
9am Registration. Coffee or tea and biscuits.
9.30am Talk by Kennel Club Accredited Trainer Christina Chapman ‘THE REQUIREMENTS OF A DOG SHOW JUDGE’.
12noon Optional multiple choice examination.
12noon Afternoon attendees arrive. Lunch. Prize Draw - All items of the prize draw will be grooming related.
1pm Trimming Workshop. Hot and cold drinks available.
4pm Close
PRICES
Morning session, lunch, teas and coffees. £15
Afternoon session, lunch, teas and coffees. £15
Whole day, lunch, teas and coffees. £20
Non participating partner, lunch, teas, coffees, am or pm. £10
Non participating partner whole day, lunch, teas, coffees. £15
Non participating child under 12years, lunch and drinks. £5
We welcome people who own breeds other than cocker spaniels to the Kennel Club seminar as it is not specific to Cocker Spaniels.
Or, if you PM me your email address I can send you a booking form via email.
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oooh just up the road from me :D would love to be shown how to trim properly :shades:
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Sounds fab, is there any chance of a seminar closer to Wales / Bristol in the near future?
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oooh just up the road from me :D would love to be shown how to trim properly :shades:
Why not put your name down then, :shades: :D
It is going to be a very relaxed no pressure day, just being held purely to help people in the right direction, whether for show or pet trim.
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Yeh it would be great to see some COL'ers there.. it should be a really good day :D
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I so want to do the trimming workshop as well as the req seminar, but I have to babysit from 4pm so I don't think I will make it back in time up to J30. :-\ Will have to see if I can negotiate on babysitting times. ;)
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We are going,doing both the Seminar & Workshop :blink:
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Emily and I are going. The way I drive we'd better set of now! :005:
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I've just got back from our committee meeting today and I think it's going to be a really good day.
We really want to emphasise that this is going to be a very relaxed day, so if you have any doubts about not being able to do something or you think you'd look silly please don't.
We've managed to get a good group of people who turn their show dogs out beautifully to help and pass on some of their skills. :shades:
I will also be demonstrating a pet clip on my Halle. I'm letting her coat grow between now and then and already she is starting to resemble a Yeti ::) so there should be a good transformation. Even if that's all you want to see I'm sure it would be of benefit.
In case of any misunderstanding this is open to all colours and not just solid cockers.
KellyS who is also on the committee, has done a fantastic job with sponsorship and we have some excellent raffle prizes, all grooming related. :shades:
We have quite a few names on the list already, and naturally numbers will be limited for people to work on their own dogs, so get your name down now to avoid disappointment.
Have I sold it to you well enough? I hope so ;) :003:
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Could be just what I
need am looking for - just need to check diary as I think I've missed the closing date for an agility show I'd thought of going to - could be fate :lol2:
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oooh just up the road from me :D would love to be shown how to trim properly :shades:
Why not put your name down then, :shades: :D
It is going to be a very relaxed no pressure day, just being held purely to help people in the right direction, whether for show or pet trim.
I shall do ;)
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Just to let you know that I have sent 5 booking forms to fellow COL'ers, so be assured if you've had doubts about attending. :D
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For those that won't be able to attend, would it help if I had someone taking photo's as I clip and trim Halle and I could put remarks with each photo?
I would say video it but it'd probably take forever to upload. >:(
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For those that won't be able to attend, would it help if I had someone taking photo's as I clip and trim Halle and I could put remarks with each photo?
I would say video it but it'd probably take forever to upload. >:(
Yes I'm sure it would help, even those of us that are going ph34r
I was going to ask if we need permission to video it :D
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I would say video it
Sounds like a great idea :shades:
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Ooooh just spotted this! Might see if we have anything planned for that weekend, I have a horrible feeling it's the same weekend as a festival though :-\ Could do with some tips for legs as I've just about given up on Chloe's! :lol:
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Certainly for the part I shall be doing I don't mind if you take photo's or video it for that matter - my only condition is the photo's/video is of Halle and not me!! >:( :shades: :D
As for the others you could always ask if it's ok to take photo's as I'm sure you'll find them helpful.
Getting a good response now, should be a good day.
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YAY, I can come. They have managed to find someone else to babysit so I can do the trimming workshop. :D I am bringing my friends daughter along too who has just started showing their cocker. :blink: I am really looking forward to finding out how you are 'supposed' to do the back legs. :shades:
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That's great news :shades:
As I'm the only one doing a clip demonstration you'll know who I am, but you'll have to let me know who you all are.
Michele :003:
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Hi
This sounds fab, but Purdey still won't have had her 2nd lot of jabs by then.
Will you be doing another one sometime soon?
I have a friend with a Westie who is desperate to learn how to groom him herself as well, so we would definitely put our names down. We are in Essex/Suffolk but willing to travel (within reason!!!)
Thanks :D
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I went to one of these a few years ago and it was brilliant. Lot's of great grooming advice from some seasoned pro's :shades:
Worth going if your dog is a pet or you are interested in showing.
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Hi
This sounds fab, but Purdey still won't have had her 2nd lot of jabs by then.
Will you be doing another one sometime soon?
I have a friend with a Westie who is desperate to learn how to groom him herself as well, so we would definitely put our names down. We are in Essex/Suffolk but willing to travel (within reason!!!)
Thanks :D
Like most things this has taken quite a bit of organising, and then you have to fit it around the dog showing calendar, so no, this particular club won't be doing another one, not at least for this year.
But why not come along as an observer and make notes for future reference. :shades:
As for your friend with a Westie, that's a whole different style of trimming and I'd suggest she contact one of their breed clubs. ;)
The response and bookings for this have been very good but there are still a few more places, as before anyone who is interested can PM me their email address and I can send them a booking form to print out.
Michele :003:
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Oh i've only just seen this. It's right on my door step - i wonder if i can to get rid of the kids for the afternoon.
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Thanks for the form Michele - have just filled it in and popped it in the post.
Even though I won't be able to bring Sapphire along I'm really looking forward to watching others being groomed and picking up lots of tips. So I'll be the one just loitering at the back!!! :D
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Thanks for the form Michele - have just filled it in and popped it in the post.
Even though I won't be able to bring Sapphire along I'm really looking forward to watching others being groomed and picking up lots of tips. So I'll be the one just loitering at the back!!! :D
Well dont watch me - I'll be the one saying for goodness sake Max just stand still & Max-No I said No! :shades:
although hopefully he wont do his wimpy bit & jump up wrap his front paws around my neck & his back legs around my waist like he usually does :lol2:
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There should be more than enough people to help out even if it means holding a dog steady for someone. I think we've got most things covered :shades: :D
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Posted my form back aswell.
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Excellent, looking forward to it :shades:
There are just a couple of places left now, so if anyone has been hesitating and wants to come you better get in quick. :D
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Michelle
Do you get confirmation of your place or just turn up.
Jeanette :D
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Michelle
Do you get confirmation of your place or just turn up.
Jeanette :D
I've had a copy of the list from Barbara and I know your name is definitely on there Jeanette.
Those that sent me pm's and I can work out your names from your email (and tie in with your usernames on here) and others that I know are also down (because I know your names - confused, I know I am) are...
Cockahoot
Max x 2
Dunton4
Sportsmonki
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Janejohn
Sarah25 & Mum ;)
Brimbeck(Dyllan)
gashley - your enquiry had just been received by Barbara, so hope you're coming too.
If I have missed anyone who has sent their form off, let me know via PM and include your full name and I can check the list again.
Michele (whose brain aches ::) :005:)
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I've just got back from our committee meeting today and I think it's going to be a really good day.
We really want to emphasise that this is going to be a very relaxed day, so if you have any doubts about not being able to do something or you think you'd look silly please don't.
We've managed to get a good group of people who turn their show dogs out beautifully to help and pass on some of their skills. :shades:
I will also be demonstrating a pet clip on my Halle. I'm letting her coat grow between now and then and already she is starting to resemble a Yeti ::) so there should be a good transformation. Even if that's all you want to see I'm sure it would be of benefit.
In case of any misunderstanding this is open to all colours and not just solid cockers.
KellyS who is also on the committee, has done a fantastic job with sponsorship and we have some excellent raffle prizes, all grooming related. :shades:
We have quite a few names on the list already, and naturally numbers will be limited for people to work on their own dogs, so get your name down now to avoid disappointment.
Have I sold it to you well enough? I hope so ;) :003:
Michelle.....You have sold this event wonderfully....ever thought about a career in sales ;) :005:
Would love to come, if only to catch up with some old faces.....Kelly you may still be a baby in relation to me but i've known you long enough to class you an old face :005:. Sadly its the same weekend that i leave my job and we're having a leaving BBQ. :'(..maybe the next one :D
Tori x
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I would have loved to come to this..on my own, so I could concentrate :005:..but have noone to look after the girls this weekend..hope you all have an enjoyable time and let us know how it goes ;)
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Sue, the afternoon workshop session is for 3 hours (approx), the hall is big enough to accommodate Georgie & Daisy even if you only want to watch.
Michelle.....You have sold this event wonderfully....ever thought about a career in sales ;) :005:
Thank you Tori, and no thanks I haven't :005:
Shame you can't make it but I'm sure we'll see you (possibly at a show) soon.
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I would have loved to come to this..on my own, so I could concentrate :005:..but have noone to look after the girls this weekend..hope you all have an enjoyable time and let us know how it goes ;)
I am only going to watch in the afternoon and taking Indie so she's not on her own in the afternoon., hopefully she'll behave. :D
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Sue, the afternoon workshop session is for 3 hours (approx), the hall is big enough to accommodate Georgie & Daisy even if you only want to watch.
Not sure its a good idea to inflict my wriggly bottomed cockers on you all :005: ...am looking forward to hearing how it goes...hopefully if there is another one I can make it.
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I have sent you a pm Michelle to make sure my form has been received. Don't want to miss out. ::)
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I shall have to give it a miss this time Michele...thanks tho ;) and yes, the photos or video will be a great help :D
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Kelly you may still be a baby in relation to me but i've known you long enough to class you an old face .
I'm not that far behind you ;) Ahh shame your not coming it would have been good to catch up :D
Looking forward to seeing COL'ers there it should be a really good day :D
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I have sent you a pm Michelle to make sure my form has been received. Don't want to miss out. ::)
Yep, you're on the list :shades:
I understand if some of you have had a change of mind or can't make it that day but I'd hate it if I've slipped up so using your COL names the people who I sent emails to but can't see you on the list are:-
Ludo
Steelygirl
Gashley
MarbledMolly
thanks,
Michele :003:
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I have sent you a pm Michelle to make sure my form has been received. Don't want to miss out. ::)
Yep, you're on the list :shades:
I understand if some of you have had a change of mind or can't make it that day but I'd hate it if I've slipped up so using your COL names the people who I sent emails to but can't see you on the list are:-
Ludo
Steelygirl
Gashley
MarbledMolly
thanks,
Michele :003:
We've sent ours, so hopefully will be with you soon, we kept forgetting to post it. >:( Especially embarrassing as there's a post box on our regular walking route!!! (That's where we normally remember we've forgot!!) ph34r
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Thanks for that Michele. I was worrying that mine might have got lost on its way, so I am relieved to know that Emily and I are on the list! I think I'm just a natural-born worrier ::)
Regards,
Sue
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Mines in the post tomorrow - had to wait for my retired Mum to check her hectic schedule!!
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Excellent, thank you ladies.
My head is a bit clearer now ::) :005:
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If you have any further queries over the next few days can you contact Barbara Ward directly as I'm away for a break until the end of the week.
thanks,
Michele
BarbaraWatWensum@aol.com
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Anglian water have found traces of the bug cryptosporidium and are advising people not to use water that has not been boiled first for everything from cooking to brushing teeth, and for pets etc etc until further notice. This is for most of Northamptonshire so it will be wise to bring you own water with you for your dogs. (I don't know if they will make arrangements for this)
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Yes, I've just heard this on the radio too.
Thanks marbledmolly, as a matter of course I always take water when the dogs go in the car, but I think this is sensible advice. :shades:
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Hope you all have a lovely day :luv: gutted I can't make it :-\
OH loves a good lunch ;)
Jo
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Max has had his bath in preparation today :luv:
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Hope you all have a lovely day :luv: gutted I can't make it :-\
OH loves a good lunch ;)
Jo
It's a shame Jo as The Solid Colours Cocker are renowned for their good food :024:
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Saturday can't come soon enough. Had a go at handstripping Freds head while he was wriggling yesterday and now he's got a little bald patch ph34r :o Hopefully its not too noticeable......
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Is everyone else going for the full day or afternoon, just wondered whether I was the only walk going to walk into a full room at lunchtime. :D
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I'm only coming for the afternoon and was thinking the same thing
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I'm only coming for the afternoon and was thinking the same thing
Great, at least I won't be the only one arriving.
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I'm only coming for the afternoon and was thinking the same thing
Great, at least I won't be the only one arriving.
I'm getting there just for the afternoon too ;)
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I'm only doing the afternoon too!
Saturday can't come soon enough. Had a go at handstripping Freds head while he was wriggling yesterday and now he's got a little bald patch ph34r :o Hopefully its not too noticeable......
:005: :005: :005: Sorry - just made me chuckle!
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Emily, Tilly and I are just going for the afternoon too. Tilly is going to have to go in the bath today as she was a bit under the weather yesterday! Back to normal today though ::) She will be sporting a very fetching (not) bare patch on her front leg from her little op yesterday - with her fluff on either side she looks quite a lot like a poodle on that leg :005:
Sue and Tilly
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Thats fine......... its just just on the top of his forehead in the middle if you want to discreetly try and find it.... don't want Fred having a baldie complex when a load of COLers try to see what a bad job mummy did....
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i'm only doing the afternoon also.
I'm having to force myself to stay away from Remy's feet - they so need to be done but i won't to wait until i can find out how to do it properly.
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Is everyone else going for the full day
We will be there for the full day :D
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I'm only coming for the afternoon and was thinking the same thing
We are only going to the afternoon too. How we tell who is a COL member ? :D
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We are only going to the afternoon too. How we tell who is a COL member ? :D
I was wondering that. I've still got my COL crufts badge but i was still debating if i have the courage to wear it or not. I don't want to stand out as a loony across the room ph34r
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I just bought some COL badges for me and Mum.... hope we're not the only ones wearing them?
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I just bought some COL badges for me and Mum.... hope we're not the only ones wearing them?
I don't have a badge, >:( can't we have coloured ribbon on the lead? :shades:
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I just bought some COL badges for me and Mum.... hope we're not the only ones wearing them?
I don't have a badge, >:( can't we have coloured ribbon on the lead? :shades:
Just shove a sticky label with "COL" on yer jacket :005:
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The committee will all be wearing name badges so you can identify us :lol2:
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The committee will all be wearing name badges so you can identify us :lol2:
.........and you'll all be given name badges when you first arrive too, if you want to add your COL name underneath then that might make more sense to fellow COL'ers. ;)
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Getting all excited now, I am bathing Archie this afternoon as he is in the woods with my brother at the moment.
See you all tomorrow.
We are doing the full day.
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I had to bathe Max earlier in the week as it takes days for his curls to go. I've told him he cant go in the woods this afternoon 'cos he's got to stay clean :lol2:
Really looking forward to it :D
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I know it's really late to be asking, but does anyone who is going to the trimming workshop tomorrow have a grooming table they wont be using that they would be willing to let Lily borrow, please? I havent got one here to bring with her :embarassed:
We do look forward to meeting those who are going and their lovely dogs :blink:
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Hope you all have a great day and pick up lots of tips :D ..would luv to have been there ...next time ;)
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Well, I have decided not to bring Archie. :'( He got into a scuffle in the woods this afternoon, >:( so he is now decidedly edgy. Will I still get the benefit of the grooming course without having my dog with me? I am bringing my friends daughter with her blue roan, but I really wanted to have a go myself, but it would be too stressful for me and Archie, I would be on edge all the time. :-\
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Sorry to hear about Archie AnnieM. I'm just going to watch (with Fred so he gets to meet his brothers) - don't think it'd look too good with all you 'proper' groomers if i brought an ironing board to stand Fred on ph34r
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I'm bringing Indie just to watch as well, she's having a cut on Tuesday (not by me), I just want to watch incase there comes a time that I ever need to attempt it myself.
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I'm bringing Indie just to watch as well,
I'm just going to watch (with Fred so he gets to meet his brothers)
I'm beginning to think now I'll be the only one there with a cocker in desparate need of a trim with me who hasn't a clue ph34r
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I'm bringing Indie just to watch as well,
I'm just going to watch (with Fred so he gets to meet his brothers)
I'm beginning to think now I'll be the only one there with a cocker in desparate need of a trim with me who hasn't a clue ph34r
Mine's in desperate need of a trim and I haven't got a clue. I'll be watching you :005:
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Fred is currently known as the black canine mop....... so don't worry about that... i haven't a clue - thats why i'm going xx
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Sorry to hear about Archie AnnieM. I'm just going to watch (with Fred so he gets to meet his brothers) - don't think it'd look too good with all you 'proper' groomers if i brought an ironing board to stand Fred on ph34r
Bad news Thomas cook can't come :'( Obviously Scooby will be there so its not all bad.
See you tomorrow well almost today lol
Gail
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It was lovely to meet COLers & their lovely dogs today :luv: :luv:
I've certainly learnt alot, I just hope I can put it into practice.
Thanks Michele for letting us know about this & thanks to all those involved :D
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It was lovely to meet COLers & their lovely dogs today :luv: :luv:
I've certainly learnt alot, I just hope I can put it into practice.
Thanks Michele for letting us know about this & thanks to all those involved :D
Couldn't agree more - tomorrow Fred is getting attacked with thinning scissors!!
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I would love to go to the next one now Marley's home, whenever that may be :D. Need all the help i can get ph34r where do you start :-\
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It was lovely to meet COLers & their lovely dogs today :luv: :luv:
I've certainly learnt alot, I just hope I can put it into practice.
Thanks Michele for letting us know about this & thanks to all those involved :D
Ditto the above, hope I didn't break your camera Michelle. ph34r
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Thanks Michelle i certainly have more confidence to give it a go now, Infact i've had a stab at Remy's feet although with miss fidget bum they are no way as good as yours. The rest will have to wait untill i can get some clippers.
I hope you finished both sides :lol2:
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As above, thought it was a great day, thought the morning session was highly entertaining as well as informative. I managed at last to get the help I needed with the areas of Izzy I've been struggling with so hopefully she'll look better in the ring on her next outing. Thanks to everyone who worked to make it such a successful day :blink:
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Lovely to meet you all and your dogs yesterday.
Everyone was so friendly and chatty - I had a great afternoon!
After watching Kelly, Sapphire has now got a nice pair of new ears!!! :005:
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It sounds that you all had a good time, I would love to go on the next one
Grace
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It sounds that you all had a good time, I would love to go on the next one
Grace
...me too ;) Glad you all enjoyed it :D
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It was good to meet fellow COL'ers & the sweet little rescue black & tan (sorry can't remember the name or owner?!) I'm glad you enjoyed the day :D
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Tilly and I want to apologise to all our COL and Solid Cockers friends for not being at the workshop on Saturday. My Dad was rushed into hospital on Friday and I have been looking after my Mum who has vascular dementia and Alzheimers. I have not been able to get close to a working pc to let anyone know about our situation and, of course, had no telephone numbers on me. I have just got home (Sunday evening) and wanted to say sorry for not being there to everyone. I am gutted to have missed it but it sounds like you have all had a great time.
My Dad has had his appendix out btw!
Sue and Tilly
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Hope everyone is well again soon
Sue
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Tilly and I want to apologise to all our COL and Solid Cockers friends for not being at the workshop on Saturday. My Dad was rushed into hospital on Friday and I have been looking after my Mum who has vascular dementia and Alzheimers. I have not been able to get close to a working pc to let anyone know about our situation and, of course, had no telephone numbers on me. I have just got home (Sunday evening) and wanted to say sorry for not being there to everyone. I am gutted to have missed it but it sounds like you have all had a great time.
My Dad has had his appendix out btw!
Sue and Tilly
Sorry to hear that Sue, it would have been good to meet you seeing as Tilly and Indie are related, albeit distant. I only met about 3 people from COL even thought there was probably more there. I watched Michelle clipping Halle who was a little star.
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Glad you all enjoyed the day, I think I've just about recovered and it was nice to meet you, I hope I made sense babbling away. ::)
Jeanette made use of my camera as I was trimming Halle so hopefully for those of you that couldn't make it I hope to be able to give you a bit of an idea with the photo's.
Got a busy week this week, but I'll try and do it sooner than later.
Sorry to hear about your Dad Sue, I hope he's comfortable and on the mend.
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Enjoyed it too apart form the journey :o We set off in loads of time and even went Shopping
at a supermarket in Kettering as we were so early.
Then found out the A45 was closed so had to head north to the M1 which I was trying to avoid.
Emily has almost forgiven me for the test in the morning. Spent a lot of time driving home working out
what we got wrong. :005:
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Emily has almost forgiven me for the test in the morning. Spent a lot of time driving home working out
what we got wrong. :005:
:lol2: And us.Was a bit confussed with the question that asked who could complain about a judge i put the Exh but it was the breed club :huh: :-\ The worst part now is waiting for our results
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Just want to apologise for not uploading any pics just yet. Those that watched me clip Halle will know that I was struggling with a cough which has now escalated into a full blown cold and a mother of all cough's >:D
So I haven't been on here as much but will try and get round to sorting them out soon.
Anyone got their results from the morning seminar yet?
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Yep, we passed :D. Emily got more correct than me and is never going to let me forget it.
Still I have the credit card so she still needs me :lol2:
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Well done Sarah and Emily :shades: :shades:
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Yep both David and I passed too, not too much difference between our marks so that saves a domestic!!!, david would come off worse anyway!!!! Well done Sarah and Emily on passing.
Wendy
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well done to all who passed
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Thank you to all that organised this day; it was fun and very informative. Also it was lovely to meet so many fellow COLers and their dogs.
Did anyone pick up a pair of thinning scissors (42 teeth, cant remember the brand) and/or a red comb (untangler I think it is called) with rotating teeth by mistake? I seem to have mislaid mine during the afternoon :embarassed: . If anyone has been trying to return them to their owner please could you pm me...alternatively Lily and I are going to E. of England tomorrow and we also entered London Cocker at the weekend.
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Hi there is there any chance that this workshop can be repeated further down south for those of us that where unable to make it??
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I wish it would be repeated so I could video it next time, can't remember a thing I was watching. :shades:
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Hi there is there any chance that this workshop can be repeated further down south for those of us that where unable to make it??
I can certainly raise it as a question when we have our next committee meeting.
If and when anything is decided you can be sure that COL members will be kept informed. ;) :shades:
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I think Hants & Sussex are having a seminar soon which will feature trimming etc. Will see if I can find the details and post them tomorrow
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Have found them Jane :D
Hants & Sussex CSC is holding its October event on Sunday Oct 12 at Rake Village Hall, starting at 10am. It will include trimming and training for puppies and young stock in the morning and talks on hand rearing puppies by Shirley Oxford and the Folklore Practice by Stuart Crisp in the afternoon plus a fancy dress competition and other fun things to do. The cost is £6.50 for members, £7.50 for non-members and includes refreshments. All welcome and enquires to Grace Morris on 01243 583208.
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I was thinking more wales or the south west area as that is still too far for me to travel, sorry if i'm being picky.
Thanks for suggesting though.
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I was thinking more wales or the south west area as that is still too far for me to travel, sorry if i'm being picky.
Thanks for suggesting though. Or is there some one that can show me how to do it correctly for the show ring in the Hereford, Gloucester or Worcester area please as i don't want to ruin his coat.
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Hi
I would love to attend one of these demos - I couldn't go to this one because of family illness :'( but hope another chance will come up ;)