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Title: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: sarah phillips on October 11, 2009, 10:20:54 AM
Took my 6 month old to his first show yesterday. A companion show to get him used to things and so we could practise his ring craft skills (not that well sadly!)  :-\ Anyway the judge was not impressed with his whiskers or fluffy coat. I have let them alone until they can be hand stripped.

New to all this!
Should I trim his face and generally tidy him up now now or leave until he is ready for handstripping? His coat is not ready to come out yet.

Do I accept that until he is hand stripped he will not be placed or have you experienced other judges who are more understanding. I don't want to do the wrong thing and damage his coat for later.
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: M4ndy on October 11, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
Sorry I'm no help but I was wondering the same thing. I have seen people showing them at 6 months and they do look quite smart and have wondered how they achieved this when they can't yet be handstripped. I presume legs and face can be trimmed but what do you do with a top knot that won't come out?
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: JaspersMum on October 11, 2009, 10:48:53 AM
I guess some judges expect to see the cardboard cut out of what they expect the cocker to look like and don't make allowances for the fact they are 6 months and fluffy.

Charlie will definately be fluffy when he starts although most of his facial hair and his feet have been tidied in readiness (the bits that don't get stripped).  You can't please every judge  ::)
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: bajoleth on October 11, 2009, 12:01:10 PM
Hi I am sorry your first showing experience wasn't such a positive one, I too have a very fluffy Cocker that is to be entered in Shows. I took Belle back to her breeders just before she was 6mths he handstripped a lot out and tidied her face that is all her whiskers around her nose under her chin etc, used a thinning scissors on the tops of her ears, shaped her legs, feet and chest. She was still a fluff ball but had the basic shape. Are you able to find a groomer that does Show Cockers or are you going to have a go yourself, hanstripping does take forever but I use a comb with the elastic band and groom every day it is coming out but is a long process. I am taking Belle back again next weekend as she has a show 2 weeks later, when she is generally tidied up despite still being fluffy she looks more like the show cocker the judges expect to see. I hope this helps a bit and don't be put off  :luv: Jo and Belle
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: sarah phillips on October 11, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
I'm trying to do this myself but it is very slow progress at present. Some comes out with a comb but very little so far.

I will have a try with thinning out the face and other areas not to be hand stripped.
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: bajoleth on October 11, 2009, 02:46:44 PM
Have you seen the stickys at the top of the grooming board they may help, would love to see a pic of the offending fluffball :005: :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: hovis on October 11, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
.................what exactly did the judge say though???? :huh:
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: sarah phillips on October 11, 2009, 08:28:11 PM
She said 'those whiskers do look silly.'

I said I was waiting to hand strip him and she said but he's so very hairy.

I don't know that it actually made any difference to the outcomes as he didn't show his best anyway but she clearly wasn't happy with his coat.
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: 6thSense on October 11, 2009, 08:44:39 PM
Was she actually a Cocker judge though as it was a Companion show. It may well have just been her personal preference and not a knowledgable response at all. I trim Tallys eyelashes and whiskers, but he has never really had much more hair on his face. If he did I would probably use thinners if need be, but the fan as it were on the nose usually strips out. Even with my two bitches that are spayed. I wouldn't worry to much as he is only 6 mths.
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: Penelope on October 11, 2009, 08:48:27 PM
Don't worry too much - a steward at a companion show told me Harriet's tail was too short!
I was shocked as it obviously hasn't been docked or anything - came home and checked it against the breed standard, and it's perfect!
Guess she didn't know as much as she thought she did about cockers after all!!!  :005: :005: :005:
Have fun at companion and fun shows - we love them! and good luck.
Don't forget, at the end of every show you are taking the best dog(s) home!
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: sarah phillips on October 13, 2009, 06:53:14 PM
Here's Pebble complete with whiskers - they have now been hand stripped!
(http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz231/sarahphillips/oct/IMG_1983-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: Victoria25 on October 13, 2009, 06:56:39 PM
He'd win any show I judged! :luv:
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: 6thSense on October 13, 2009, 09:32:38 PM
Awwwwwwww, bless him.  :luv: It really doesn't look that bad from what I can see in that pic.  :D
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: Rooster on October 13, 2009, 10:01:22 PM

Lovely  :luv: He really looks quite tidy compared to my fluff ball!
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: Michele on October 13, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
I would take it all with a pinch of salt.
I remember placing a real fluff ball of a baby first at an open show once, it was clean and tidy - head, ears, feet and tail had been trimmed but the body had no real outline. I placed it because I preferred what I found underneath to the others in the class.  :D
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: KellyS on October 16, 2009, 08:03:21 PM
I would completely ignore her...i had exactly the same with Dolly lots of people kept on at me to strip her coat out but it wasn't ready to come...So i left it until it was ready!!!( i just trimmed her feet & ears etc) and I am so glad i did because it came out beautifully and her coat is beautiful now (even if i say so myself) :005:

I have also placed young dogs with lots of coat, a good judge will not be too concerned with puppy coat and concentrate on the construction underneath. :D

Good luck with the showing  :D
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: Eve on October 16, 2009, 08:45:33 PM
I can only go on showing golden retrievers but at six months they are still babies and I would be very surprised if at six months you had the 'finished article'.

It was a companion show, these should be fun and your first experience of showing and I'm sorry your experience was not as much fun as it should have been.

Just remember, you always take home the best looking and best natured dog in the show.

Eve
Title: Re: 6 month old fluff ball criticised in show
Post by: sharonmansfield on October 18, 2009, 04:45:31 PM
I don't know anything about showing but at 6 months you are not going to get sleek lines he is still a baby.
He is totally gorgeous.  :luv: :luv: