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Cocker Specific Discussion => Grooming => Topic started by: Ebbysmum on August 02, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z5lfytF-Kk&NR=1
Was just browsing on you tube and found this :fear2:
I clip Ebony, but with a show clip so leaving long ears, feathers tail etc. Never seen anyone do this unless they have a skin condition or something!
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What a patient dog! Do you think the person doing the clipping is practicing sheep shearing :005:
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Yes, I thought she was auditioning for a sheep shearing job :lol: Poor dog, he looked OK as he was.
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Indie looks like that at the moment, she is clipped due to her coat texture but she normally has her ears still - the groomer last week took them off too. She doesn't even look like a cocker anymore.
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well i think its a bit of an extreme cut but if its a hot country , good for the dog :D
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harve is rotten about grooming and loves being stripped down although he looks like a pointer with stunted growth! Red keeps her feathers and is good at being groomed. I don't show and so take the view that as long as they are happy...I'm happy!
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Max my wild/lively cocker is clipped clean, nothing left on! :) He has a very heavy coat and just can't cope, even leaving ears and feathers lasts a couple of weeks before it's wild again/matted. (I was trained as a dog groomer so it's clipped clean and smooth) He loves it, it allows the life he wants - rivers/puddles/mud much easier to keep clean and he and I are happy! :) My other cocker isn't - well not yet anyway.
If it suits the dog/owner then why not- each to there own. :)
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I didn't mean to offend anyone, and agree if the dog is happy that is all that matters, just seemed extreme. He was a very patient boy, bless him.
I know what you mean about the matts. I cut out loads of ebbys feathers, ears and armpits this morning. I said if she was a bot I should of called her Mat! :005:
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well i think its a bit of an extreme cut but if its a hot country , good for the dog :D
Well if it is a hot country I hope they put sun cream on the scalped dog
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I hope that wasnt a video showing you how to groom a cocker 'even if it is stripped out' it was awful to watch, dangerous to clip your dog on the floor as so easy to nip or even cut the dog in the loose skin areas, I also hope she changed that blade or at least cooled those blades down as it was a very extreme cut and appeared to have no guard on that steel blade. Hot country or not it wasnt good to watch and I wonder if the poor dog had a severe case of clipper rash the next day ph34r
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Lady gets an all over clip for the summer as here we get temps up to the mid 50C degrees and she cant cope if she has fur on.
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The dog was so chilled - wish mine were like that when grooming! I thought the (human) foot that gradually worked it's way in on the right was funny. Jeff is clipped like that - he looks like a dalmation puppy afterwards, and watching the vid has reminded me he needs doing, so off to phone the groomer ;)
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
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That's a little extreme, but if it's a hot country it's ok. I prefer the "show look" , with feathering. I clipped Elmo short at the beginning of summer and now I pray for his feathers to grow back :005:
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
Totally agree with you ;)
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
I agree with you to a certain extent - I much prefer to see cockers looking like, well, cockers, with at least some feathers.
For the record, my girls get the same as you, feathers intact and a belly/armpit clip 'to let the air ciculate' ;) Only have one in full show coat but she is orange roan and her coat is very fine so no great hassle like this.
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Belle still has a pretty full coat I only have it scissored not clipped, Monty has a much finer coat so gets a long clip once every 3 mths and has all his feathers etc, he has thick fur on his legs, like leg warmers :005: so they take some work ;)
I have just been sat here thinking of all the other longer, thick coated breeds that you would not expect to see clipped ,. such as Shelties, Collies, I would imagine those dogs take some brushing and their coat is thick for the summer but you don't see them 'sheared'. I would hate for it to become the norm for Cockers to be clipped without their feathers but I fear thats the way its heading, where I walk I see a fair few Cockers 90% are clipped with very little if any feathering :'(
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Belle still has a pretty full coat I only have it scissored not clipped, Monty has a much finer coat so gets a long clip once every 3 mths and has all his feathers etc, he has thick fur on his legs, like leg warmers :005: so they take some work ;)
I have just been sat here thinking of all the other longer, thick coated breeds that you would not expect to see clipped ,. such as Shelties, Collies, I would imagine those dogs take some brushing and their coat is thick for the summer but you don't see them 'sheared'. I would hate for it to become the norm for Cockers to be clipped without their feathers but I fear thats the way its heading, where I walk I see a fair few Cockers 90% are clipped with very little if any feathering :'(
I grew up with Rough Collies (mum used to breed them) and used to have to groom them as one of my pocket money 'chores' Believe you me, I would rather groom a handful of rough's rather than one hairy blue roan :lol2: :lol2: Much easier coats to groom, only really hard work when they are fully shedding coats, about a couple of times year.
My bunch get loads of admiring comments on their coats as, like you, most of the cockers round here and clipped quite severly.
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aww :luv: He was very patient!
I love a cocker in full coat and wish Bailey had one :) he has a skin allergy which he seems to handle better when he is shaved.
We tried every way to keep him long but it was unfair on him as he was miserable. He is now shaved with a wee bit of feathering left on his ears to show he is a spaniel! ph34r He is like a different dog after a cut and runs about like a loony! The one plus is he is very easily dried! :005:
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
Totally agree with you ;)
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
I find that quite offensive - I feel that people who care more about how their dogs look more than anything else shouldn't have any dogs >:D
Jeff's booked in for his FULL trim on Friday (including ears and feathers), and I know he'll feel far more comfortable afterwards; at the moment he is panting almost constantly in this heat. I have been clipping and trimming him myself the last few months, but he really needs his woolly coat taken off totally at the moment. It's nothing to do with not being able to cope with the grooming. I also think he looks cute with it short. I am very sorry that some COLers take such a shallow view of their dogs, that they get so ridiculously distressed by something as trivial as being clipped, which the dogs don't give two hoots about. I prefer to use my emotional energy ensuring my dogs are comfortable and happy and care about how THEY feel, not how I feel >:(
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
Totally agree with you ;)
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
I find that quite offensive - I feel that people who care more about how their dogs look more than anything else shouldn't have any dogs >:D
Jeff's booked in for his FULL trim on Friday (including ears and feathers), and I know he'll feel far more comfortable afterwards; at the moment he is panting almost constantly in this heat. I have been clipping and trimming him myself the last few months, but he really needs his woolly coat taken off totally at the moment. It's nothing to do with not being able to cope with the grooming. I also think he looks cute with it short. I am very sorry that some COLers take such a shallow view of their dogs, that they get so ridiculously distressed by something as trivial as being clipped, which the dogs don't give two hoots about. I prefer to use my emotional energy ensuring my dogs are comfortable and happy and care about how THEY feel, not how I feel >:(
I think it's because people do care a great deal about their dogs that they care about how they look. I love seeing happy healthy dogs irrespective of coat length in any breed but I also think you have to accept with a breed like a cocker that some may prefer to keep the longer coat and that doesn't mean they don't care about the dog or that coat length is a priority in some way, long or short. ;)
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Alfie is happier in this weather clipped quite short. He is a pet not a show dog so I prefer him to be happier. I saw lots of dogs at the weekend at our village show some with very long coats, it was boiling hot and I felt very sorry for them. However I do think the video looked a bit extreme, it was difficult to see how short she had gone with it being a light coloured dog though.
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I think it's because people do care a great deal about their dogs that they care about how they look.
So, because I'm not that bothered about how my dogs look, as long as they are healthy and happy (and I do groom them thoroughly and regularly), then I don't care about my dogs and shouldn't have a cocker? I have cockers because I love their personalities and they are perfect for my lifestyle; I don't want a jack russell or a doberman, or any other short haired breed, not because they aren't nice dogs but because I like cockers more. I just happen to have one cocker who is clearly more comfortable totally clipped in the heat, and to be told that I should rehome them both and get a short haired breed is insulting and upsetting.
I just hope I don't run into any of the people who have this opinion on a COL meet or somewhere, as I would be totally miserable knowing that they were thinking I shouldn't have cockers, and also I wouldn't particularly like to meet people who are so judgemental and shallow >:(
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Wish I hadn't posted this now ph34r. I think it is obvious that everyone on here adores their dog, stipped show clipped or completely clipped. My mum has Lexi shaved all over apart from her tail and her ears are kept a bit longer but not as long as Ebony's and she certainly doesn't love her any less. Maddie's coat at the moment is quite fine and straight so we might hand strip her, but if her coat ends up like Ebbys or Lexi's then she will also be clipped. I think I was just shocked to see it soo short especially around the ears, and it was a tutorial.
Please don't be upset I think Jeff is gorgeous :luv:
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Sorry Ebbysmum, didn't mean to get all heated under the collar, it just never occurred to me people might think I shouldn't own my dogs because I happen to have one clipped :o I'm now going to be completely paranoid every time I take them out ph34r
I will post before and after of Jeff on Friday evening - I would say his cut is pretty much what the dog in the video gets (although I ask for his eyelashes to be left, and will probably leave his tail feathers this time) ;) He does grow back in the Autumn and is a woolly bear when it's cold again and until the spring.
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Belle still has a pretty full coat I only have it scissored not clipped, Monty has a much finer coat so gets a long clip once every 3 mths and has all his feathers etc, he has thick fur on his legs, like leg warmers :005: so they take some work ;)
I have just been sat here thinking of all the other longer, thick coated breeds that you would not expect to see clipped ,. such as Shelties, Collies, I would imagine those dogs take some brushing and their coat is thick for the summer but you don't see them 'sheared'. I would hate for it to become the norm for Cockers to be clipped without their feathers but I fear thats the way its heading, where I walk I see a fair few Cockers 90% are clipped with very little if any feathering :'(
Shelties and Collies do not need the grooming and brushing every single day like cockers, they can get away with being brushed every couple of weeks except in the moulting period where it would be every day. They have completely different coats and texture to the silky coats of cockers/aghans etc which matt easily. That may be why you don't see them sheared ;)
I have one cocker clipped and one in full coat - the one in full coat is entire just like yours :D If you ever have them spayed then I hope their coats don't change for you.
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I think it's because people do care a great deal about their dogs that they care about how they look.
So, because I'm not that bothered about how my dogs look, as long as they are healthy and happy (and I do groom them thoroughly and regularly), then I don't care about my dogs and shouldn't have a cocker? I have cockers because I love their personalities and they are perfect for my lifestyle; I don't want a jack russell or a doberman, or any other short haired breed, not because they aren't nice dogs but because I like cockers more. I just happen to have one cocker who is clearly more comfortable totally clipped in the heat, and to be told that I should rehome them both and get a short haired breed is insulting and upsetting.
I just hope I don't run into any of the people who have this opinion on a COL meet or somewhere, as I would be totally miserable knowing that they were thinking I shouldn't have cockers, and also I wouldn't particularly like to meet people who are so judgemental and shallow >:(
Unfortunately you are misunderstanding me :-\. What I'm saying is that long or short coat, we care about our dogs, one is not necessarily separate from the other. I don't think anyone should castigate the other for wanting any particular length in a cocker coat as long as the dog is healthy and happy. I'm quite sad actually that you are so upset about it. :'(
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I have 2 cockers. Max has a woolley coat so heavy and thick. When the hot weather hit a few weeks ago my mad and I mean mad cocker went to pieces, I've never seen such a miserable cocker. That face just does it for me. He was totally clipped (I was a dog groomer in my twenties but decided my back couldn't take it anymore) I had many clients who showed their dogs and pet owners too.
Max was full of life afterwards. I do groom my dogs but for me Max tells me he's miserable. George is in a show trim with a clipped back. He's got a different coat to Max but in time he will have a clipped back/sides.
I choose cockers because I love the whole package, their expressional faces, their love for life, they are little people, lovely size. And those cocker kisses:)
I love to see a cocker with a full coat and a good long show trim they take my breath away. But I don't love them any less when they are clipped off. I used to call my black and white old boy jack now at the bridge - Snoopy when he was clipped off :luv: :luv: He looked gorgeous!!! As does Max now :luv: and little George in his little trim. :luv:
I've had requests for Border collies/Labradors/German Shephards/Setters/ you name it I've bet at one time or another I've had a request to do a complete clip. Now some of those breeds take some getting use to with a complete clip but again the owners felt the dogs couldn't cope with the heat/it suited their lives/time etc but not one of those dogs was loved any less because they didn't keep the coat the norm. Most were the ladies lives and they knew the dog best what was I to say differently. :D
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What I'm saying is that long or short coat, we care about our dogs, one is not necessarily separate from the other. I don't think anyone should castigate the other for wanting any particular length in a cocker coat as long as the dog is healthy and happy. I'm quite sad actually that you are so upset about it. :'(
Then I totally agree with you :blink: What upset me wasn't your comment but the one quoted (agreed with by at least one other person) that people who have their cockers clipped shouldn't own a cocker at all, and suggesting that having a cocker clipped means that the owner can't be bothered to groom them.
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Personally i always try to put myself in the position of " would i want to be forced to wear a big fur coat, wooly hat ,wooly boots all thru summer " the answer is no, i love the hand stripped look of cockers but i would never do that myself, i love cockers intelligence, nature, and generally everything about the breed, having been bred to have a heavy coat i think its my resposibility to make sure MY cockers dont suffer with the heat in the summer and i keep them clipped quite short but leave their ears some feathers skirt and tail longer , its not for my convienience but for their comfort :blink: :blink:
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Sorry Ebbysmum, didn't mean to get all heated under the collar, it just never occurred to me people might think I shouldn't own my dogs because I happen to have one clipped :o I'm now going to be completely paranoid every time I take them out ph34r
I will post before and after of Jeff on Friday evening - I would say his cut is pretty much what the dog in the video gets (although I ask for his eyelashes to be left, and will probably leave his tail feathers this time) ;) He does grow back in the Autumn and is a woolly bear when it's cold again and until the spring.
I certainly don't think you should not have dogs just because you have them clipped short ;), it is just my personal choice, that i like the full show coats, as it is bothe George's and Hamish's coats are not particulrly long, they just don't seem to grow much :shades:
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
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Well 2 out of my 6 get clipped right off. I must admit I prefer some feathering left.
But being rescues and being how they are, getting groomed. I haven't much choice.
They both have thick coats which mat easily, but I will not stress them out and risk getting bitten [again :lol2:]
So off it comes. Yes my golden Teddy bear gets the chop :lol2: as does Paisley. I do try to leave their ears though.
Sasha is clipped short being so curly she looks a right state, but I leave some feathers and skirt on her. Little ellls has very thick black fur and she is left the longest, for some reason her coat hasn't gone as bad as I thought it would after spaying, so I just 7f her back and trim feathers. Same with Molly and Monty. I think THEY prefer being naked as they run around like pups when its done. :lol2:
Each to their own I say. I love seeing the show dogs with their long flowing coats, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. As long as dogs are happy and healthy, that's all that counts. I certainly don't look down my nose at clipped off cockers.
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That clip certainly is not grooming, she should be in New Zealand making a fortune doing sheep as she seemed to strip that dog in 5 mins. :005:
A lot of owners like this clipping and I suppose it's cooler and cleaner but I like mine with a pet trim with long ears, leg feathering, cat like paws and a skirt. My groomer did a beautiful job but I just started myself so not so beautiful. :embarassed:
Can't beat a hand stripped show dog though. Awesome.
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
Totally agree with you ;)
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
And I'll second that. Couldn't agree with you more. A Cocker should at least have ears and feathers (providing the groomer listens, grrr! Incident that I won't go into)
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My 2 were clipped very close following their gloss paint incident about 8 mths ago, they are now back to their former glory and will stay that way, they both have shaved bellys and armpits as this can't be seen but keeps them cooler. I am probably going to ofend loads of Colers now but its my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed. Cockers are beautiful dogs and to see them shaved like sheep makes my heart bleed, fair enough a clip with feather, thats more or less what my 2 get now but to leave no ears or feathers >:( such a shame. (obviously there are cases where its unavoidable)
Totally agree with you ;)
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
I think it's because people do care a great deal about their dogs that they care about how they look.
So, because I'm not that bothered about how my dogs look, as long as they are healthy and happy (and I do groom them thoroughly and regularly), then I don't care about my dogs and shouldn't have a cocker? I have cockers because I love their personalities and they are perfect for my lifestyle; I don't want a jack russell or a doberman, or any other short haired breed, not because they aren't nice dogs but because I like cockers more. I just happen to have one cocker who is clearly more comfortable totally clipped in the heat, and to be told that I should rehome them both and get a short haired breed is insulting and upsetting.
I just hope I don't run into any of the people who have this opinion on a COL meet or somewhere, as I would be totally miserable knowing that they were thinking I shouldn't have cockers, and also I wouldn't particularly like to meet people who are so judgemental and shallow >:(
Sorry Ebbysmum, didn't mean to get all heated under the collar, it just never occurred to me people might think I shouldn't own my dogs because I happen to have one clipped :o I'm now going to be completely paranoid every time I take them out ph34r
I will post before and after of Jeff on Friday evening - I would say his cut is pretty much what the dog in the video gets (although I ask for his eyelashes to be left, and will probably leave his tail feathers this time) ;) He does grow back in the Autumn and is a woolly bear when it's cold again and until the spring.
I find that quite offensive - I feel that people who care more about how their dogs look more than anything else shouldn't have any dogs >:D
Jeff's booked in for his FULL trim on Friday (including ears and feathers), and I know he'll feel far more comfortable afterwards; at the moment he is panting almost constantly in this heat. I have been clipping and trimming him myself the last few months, but he really needs his woolly coat taken off totally at the moment. It's nothing to do with not being able to cope with the grooming. I also think he looks cute with it short. I am very sorry that some COLers take such a shallow view of their dogs, that they get so ridiculously distressed by something as trivial as being clipped, which the dogs don't give two hoots about. I prefer to use my emotional energy ensuring my dogs are comfortable and happy and care about how THEY feel, not how I feel >:(
Whoa there , calm down, what I said in my post was that IMO a Cocker should look like a Cocker, I would hate for the 'norm' to be the shaved look, I never said that because you choose to shave your Cocker that you shouldn't own one god forbid rehome it :o What do you take me for? Nor do I place my dogs looks above their welfare, leaving ears and feathers is hardly a welfare issue rolls eyes. What I was stating was that if grooming is not your thing or you don't have the time then a naturally short haired breed would be a better match. I will not apologise for championing the Cocker coat, it is PART of their breed just like their craziness, love of their humans and everything else that is good about Cockers, part of the reason why I chose the breed. Iam not really sure why you have taken what is simply mu opinion so personally :huh:
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Well 2 out of my 6 get clipped right off. I must admit I prefer some feathering
Each to their own I say. I love seeing the show dogs with their long flowing coats, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. As long as dogs are happy and healthy, that's all that counts. I certainly don't look down my nose at clipped off cockers.
I don't look down my nose at those shaved, I just find it such a shame, I don't see the harm if possible to leave a little feathering, I am not advocating all Cockers run around in full show coats :-\
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When we had George, sadly at the bridge, we had no choice but to shore off all his coat with no feathers or ears. He was a rescue dog which we had the pleasure, and pain sometimes, of having in our lives when he was two.
I do not know what had happened to him previously but I was lead to believe his previous owner use to take him to the vets and have him sedated to clip him. We found a very brave good clipper who use to shave him right back - we tried once to leave feathers and on occasion tried to leave his ears slightly but we decided that no matter what he looked like it was what was best for him.
Yes, he was a beautiful dog, shore or not and for that we were lucky but, I say each to ones own. To think I would have been judged by people due to my dogs appearance shows such a shallow understanding.
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Fwiw,i agree with Bajoleth,i too prefer to see cockers with at least some feathering after being clipped,which is what i do with Ruby,I specifically ask my groomer not to make her look like a shaved sheep.
If i see a completely shaved off cocker,i do think to myself what a shame,BUT if that is what someone wants their dog to have then so be it,it's up to them.
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I really don't understand the issue with a complete clip if its what works best for dog and owner. To say someone shouldn't own a cocker if they want to shave it is ridiculous. Any breed is about so much more than its coat surely! Cockers have so many characteristics that make them perfect pets, what does it matter if a pet owner doesn't want to deal with a long coat? If you intend to show the coat is there for you to do with what you want for that purpose. If not, whos business is it!?
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Can I just say that the coat insulates from the warmth and the cold.
:-\ if you see what I mean.
I'm sure someone could explain it better.
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"ts my opinion that if you can't cope with the grooming required to look after a heavily coated breed then get a short haired breed."
I never said that because you choose to shave your Cocker that you shouldn't own one
erm, that's exactly what you said (see above). How else is one supposed to interpret that remark? The fact that I and a couple of others had previously remarked that we have our dogs fully clipped made it even more upsetting that you were effectively telling us personally we should exchange our cockers for short haired breeds.
Brimbeck - unfortunately for Jeff, he is castrated and his VERY thick, woolly coat does not help him cool off at all; for the past couple of days he has been panting almost constantly :'( Annie is feathered and I clip her myself, as although she is also spayed her coat is a lot finer. Incidentally, I agree that a full "show" coat is beautiful, but as I do not plan to show my dogs felt that having them done and then managing their coats is fairer to the dogs in the long run. I would never dream of telling someone they shouldn't have a certain breed of dog because of the way they groom/clip it (unless they didn't groom it and it was all matted of course).
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Each to their own :shades: but can we please keep the comments polite though and not resort to personal insults?
Bajoleth clearly stated it was her own opinion and one that may not be shared by all ;)
I've just attacked Jarv with OH's human hair clippers. Just his back for a start and only to take off the fluff. He has the luxury of 2 or 3 swims a day and a very cool house and cool workshop so he's not suffering, but I'd like him to be a bit neater and this is the start of me going over to the 'dark side' with my grooming. He also hates being groomed so clipping him (and you know the tuft will never go, or the ears or feathers) may be the way forward for a wayward woolly brown coat and he's entire!
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Bajoleth clearly stated it was her own opinion and one that may not be shared by all ;)
And it's my own opinion that people should not judge others' fitness to own a certain breed by how they choose to groom them. It is also my own opinion that if someone states they are going to offend others by a remark, then make that remark anyway, then they obviously know they are likely to offend someone and do so deliberately. How about a retraction of the comment and an apology Bajoleth?
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I hope that wasnt a video showing you how to groom a cocker 'even if it is stripped out' it was awful to watch, dangerous to clip your dog on the floor as so easy to nip or even cut the dog in the loose skin areas, I also hope she changed that blade or at least cooled those blades down as it was a very extreme cut and appeared to have no guard on that steel blade. Hot country or not it wasnt good to watch and I wonder if the poor dog had a severe case of clipper rash the next day ph34r
Agree with John & hope that anyone watching the video clip doesn't think its a good idea to copy that :o :'(
I don't understand why people are arguing about personal preferences about their dog coats :dunno:
Surely we should just respect other people's opinions & not take offence ph34r
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Agreed Wendy - it's entirely up to the individual how their dog looks (and what it eats, and how it's trained, and what collars it wears...)
I don't think that people that clip their cockers are lazy or inferior owners nor do I think that people that keep their dogs with a full show coat are cruel to do so in the heat - its up to the individual owner and we should respect their choices.
although I think the dog in the video has the patience of a saint and deserves a nicer cut :-\
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No apology as I stand by my opinion, however I would like to make it clear that when choosing a dog coat care and type should be taken into account along with all their other traits, I am not suggesting that you are an unfit owner because you choose to completely shave your dog, but potential owners also read this forum and I think its a valid point that if you can't cope with their coat maybe another breed would be better suited (that is before you buy a Cocker) I am not for one minute suggesting that those who shave their Cockers are Evil and should hand their dogs into the nearest rescue, I really think you need to go back to the beginning of the thread and reread it, I honestly feel you have been a little OTT in your responses.
Your opinion is that I put my dogs appearance before its welfare but I am not offended by that its your opinion, everyone is entititled to their own opinion.
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How about a retraction of the comment and an apology Bajoleth?
Oh please grow up.
A difference in opinion which is what a forum is based on,will cause offence from time to time but as adults it shouldn't bother us <roll eyes>
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I think sometimes that it is difficult on a written forum to get the exact nuances (sp) of meaning across, as you would in a conversation. (even allowing for smilies ;) )
I don't think for one minute that anyone on here loves their cockers any less than others or that we would view any other peoples dogs as lesser just because they had a short back and sides. :blink: (or full show skirts or whatever)
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How about a retraction of the comment and an apology Bajoleth?
Oh please grow up.
A difference in opinion which is what a forum is based on,will cause offence from time to time but as adults it shouldn't bother us <roll eyes>
Yes, and when a comment does cause offence, the person who makes it should perhaps be "grown up" enough to apologize to the person they offended. I have done so on this forum a couple of times; I like to think I am sensitive and "grown up" enough to realise when I've really upset someone and apologise for any offence I've caused them. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I don't mean to deliberately upset people, in fact I hate upsetting people, and when I do I apologise. If I said "I'll probably offend people but I think people who don't clip their cockers in the summer are cruel and shouldn't own a cocker" I'm sure I WOULD offend people who don't clip their cockers in summer, and would apologise to those who I did offend and explain that I wasn't directing my comments at them (although I can't see how making a comment like that can be construed as NOT being directed at people who don't clip their cockers in summer).
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I apoligise for offending you ;) but I do not apologise for my own opinion.
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On that note I think it's time to put this thread to bed ;)