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Title: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 13, 2022, 09:10:14 PM
Second warning. Only start this post if you have lots of time and a drink nearby.

Short form: Fraser may have colitis. Might be cancer of the colon. Frequent attempts to poop all day, evening and overnight with not many results. Usually a few drops of bloody mucus. Occasional soft mound of thin diameter poop, mostly overnight. I'm not getting much sleep as he asks to get outside at least twice in the small hours.  Looking for ideas to help with his situation. He's already on alternate days prednisone and an antibiotic when vet can get an order in. Fraser eats hypoallergenic food, gets a couple of tsp. per day of a stool softener and pumpkin with each meal. Also probiotic pill. So that's the summary if you look at the length of the post and decide you don't have the time. I certainly understand.

Long form.

I was looking over the last thread I wrote on Fraser's gut issue (and mouth problem) and last post was so ago the site suggested I start a new thread. The mouth issue seems to have been tonsillitis (didn't know dog's had tonsils, but why not) and resolved with antibiotic. Residue is that now Fraser won't let me look in his mouth which was a problem about two weeks ago when tried to eat some food smelling bit of plastic and got it stuck in his teeth. Visit to vet to remove. Jeez.

But the more important reason for this post is that two years after his ultrasound in Vancouver and advice from that vet to have him on Piroxicam and more roughage and local vet to put him on hypoallergenic food, his gut issues have got worse. Conclusion at that time was that the anal polyp was the probable cause for blood in stool and possible underlying colitis.  Since then it's been checked regularly and hasn't grown. But, gradually Fraser started to poop up to 5 times per walk. And then lately, strains multiple times to poop, most without result except for a few drops of bloody mucus. So, off to vet for Xray, full panel blood tests, fecal and urine tests. Xray showed a lot of gas in his gut and the rest of the results were perfect. My vet even sent the Xray to a specialist radiologist who also didn't see anything significant. So, he needed an ultrasound, but that's when I stepped into the new world of major shortage of vets. My vet contacted the Vancouver specialist clinic to get him an appointment and they were supposed to get back to me. After a week with no call, I got back to my local vet office to discover that there is such a shortage of vets in BC (Canada?) that it's almost impossible to get an appointment for specialist screening tests. After phoning around, I was able to get him into the emergency vet in Vancouver who had treated his chocolate incident of two years ago and they did an ultrasound within the week. Thanks goodness as the first vet clinic called to say they could see him for an assessment (not an actual ultrasound) in June!

Results of ultrasound showed thickening in an area of his colon that is hard to get to surgically. Questionable whether that would be advisable. Could be an effect of colitis or cancer. Further test to see whether cancer would be colonoscopy or CT scan. So, after talking it over with the specialist vet, I've decided if he has cancer, I am not going to put him through chemo and radiation at his age (he's now 13 years old). If it is cancer, then it will reveal itself in time and he'd get palliative care. If it's colitis, vet has put him on long term prednisone and an antibiotic. But, and now you're up-to-date with the current situation. Fraser is trying to poop multiple times per day, evening and overnight. He's on a stool softener, so when he finally does produce something, it's a soft coil, small diameter. The bran buds suggested by the vet for roughage two years ago weren't doing much and he also gets pumpkin. And, I'm getting very poor sleep as Fraser asks to get outside at least twice in the small hours which he never did before. He comes back to bed and falls asleep. Usually I can't as it was too long of a wake time to easily resume sleep. At a couple of weeks in, I'm exhausted from lack of sleep. Fraser's fine, he's getting his sleep, but trapped in repeated attempts to poop. In the morning, I discover little coils of soft poop all over the garden due to his night time attempts. Frustrating part is he produces very little in his daytime walks. I asked the vet if there was some way of swinging his pooping to daytime instead if overnight so I can get some sleep. And I'd like to use a natural roughage source rather than the stool softener as it's made of polyethylene glycol. Was thinking of maybe trying psyllium fibre but in my reading through the colitis threads here, saw some warnings about psyllium choking dogs. I also need to get him pooping during the day rather than overnight, but don't know how to turn that around. I can't go on with such little sleep. So that's the detailed story. As always, I'm drawing on the collective wisdom and experience on this board. I did ask my vet about slippery elm and he seemed to think it wasn't supported by any evidence, but willing to experiment as both dog and I need help that the vet can't seem to provide.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: phoenix on April 14, 2022, 08:20:45 AM
You both must be shattered!
Slippery elm is a a supplement and not on vets regulated lists of what they can legally recommend. However, it is harmless and worth using for week. I used it when Bobby had a bout of haemorrhagic colitis which didn’t respond to antibiotics. It worked.
Which antibiotic have you got? Metronidazole can have side effects. Tylan is gentle. 
Low B12 can cause odd things,  one of my dogs thought night was day until she was given B12 injections. It is normally absorbed in the colon , which might be a problem for Fraser, so straight into the body avoids it. They are cheap and vets can show you how to do it easily.
Just ideas!
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 14, 2022, 07:21:06 PM
Thanks, Phoenix. Ideas are exactly what I'm looking for. Fraser was put on prednisone and tylosin antibiotic by the specialist vet. My local vet so far hasn't been able to source more tylosin for continued treatment. I asked if another antibiotic could be used, but he said tylosin is the recommended one for life long treatment. (just looked it up. It's the same as Tylan.) From what I read about colitis, it always talks about diarrhoea, but he doesn't have that, just the repeated attempts to poop with straining before he went on the stool softener. Now he's constantly trying to poop and producing soft coils. At least it's not backing up inside which was a worry. I'll ask him again about slippery elm as it is mentioned on the Veterinary Hospitals site his clinic belongs to. I'll try to get some form of psyllium today to see if that helps as vet said yesterday to get more roughage into him. Fraser otherwise is quite perky for the most part, so that suggests maybe the cancer possibility is less likely than the colon thickening being due to chronic colitis.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on April 15, 2022, 09:29:01 AM
Sorry to read of Fraser's gut problems. I don't know if the following will be of interest to you - or just muddy the waters, but with mention of straining and liquid hard to pass poos I thought it might help.

https://petsrpriority.com/diverticulitis-in-dogs-causes-treatments/
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 15, 2022, 07:59:07 PM
Thanks, Mudmagnets. That's a scary looking picture in the article. The ultrasound doesn't show that sort of appearance in his gut, so doesn't seem to be one of the possibilities. I've actually reduced the stool softener to see if it will lessen his urge to poop so many times in the night. That did seem to help as he had a late night outing last night and didn't ask to get out until 6 this morning. He is successfully leaving piles of various sizes during his outings, so my back garden is a bit of a minefield. I do a careful cleanup patrol each morning as he leaves deposits all over the place, I guess as the spirit moves him. So, there is no current problem with output at this point, thank goodness. He's licking his back end a lot, so it's bothering him, no wonder. I'll have to see if I can get him an appointment next week to see if there is an ointment? maybe to help with that. Vet is very busy, overloaded right now, so might be a bit of a wait. We have quite a few vet clinics up here (ferry ride away from Vancouver, up the coast), but they're all having trouble keeping vets to cover office hours. One of the posts in my colitis search suggested sweet potato (the orange one) for fibre, so I might try that in addition to the pumpkin. Looks like it's going to be ongoing experimentation to find a combination that works for him and allows me some sleep.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on April 15, 2022, 09:19:26 PM
Certainly sounds like you are both going through it at the moment, yeah the picture did look scary, didn't it. I do hope you can get the help Fraser needs, as you say it seems to be try and see.

Sending  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for you both

Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 15, 2022, 09:36:05 PM
Aw thanks, Mudmagnets. My old fellow is just getting old with all the things that brings with it. Me too, but he looks much better than me at our respective elder phase of life. Still a gorgeous boy.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on April 16, 2022, 10:25:24 PM
It's both physically and emotionally hard work.  I think the idea of reducing the stool softener is a good one, as it will make him need to go the whole time.  I have heard of issues with phyllium husk, would veg help, or maybe he cannot tolerate it.  Sorry, I am no real help.  I had similar issues with Max, but he had a cyst on his liver which was causing stomach problems.  I hope you can get into a better night time routine pretty soon, lack of sleep is really tough.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on April 17, 2022, 06:55:33 AM
Just to chip in on the phyllium husks - my vet recommended them but stressed that they should be soaked first (same goes for the slippery elm apparently although it doesn‘t always mention it on the packs I buy).
It is trial and error with bowel issues unfortunately , especially trying to get the balance right, I do sympathise, we had similar issues with Humphrey after his op last year and its exhausting and distressing so I do hope you can find something to help soon.  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
P.s. I often feed sweet potato, as I can‘t always get pumpkin, works just as well - at least for Humphrey ;)
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 18, 2022, 07:54:28 PM
Thanks for suggestions and support  :021: The night times are going better now. He has a late night outing though I have to wake him up for it and he goes through to about 6 a.m. which is tolerable. Still sleepy, but not so punch drunk as I was for a while. I stopped the tsp. of stool softener I was giving him in the afternoon feeding (in addition to  his morning one) ad that seemed to help with the overnight outings. I microwaved some yam (the orange kind that officially is sweet potato, but everyone calls them yams) and was feeding that to him day before yesterday. Maybe too much in addition to the pumpkin he gets with each meal. He tried all day yesterday to poop, but nothing except little drips. Had a very soft coil in the evening, so I think I need to back off the extra veggie fibre as maybe it's preventing the bulk needed to form a poopable poop. Feeling like Toad of Toad Hall after seeing his first car. I have a faint memory of being able to talk of other things. I've been reading up on psyllium and it does seem to have several benefits. If I could find a powdered form to mix into the pumpkin without sugar or other additives, might give it a try.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on April 19, 2022, 09:29:32 AM
Feeling like Toad of Toad Hall after seeing his first car. I have a faint memory of being able to talk of other things

That's cos of all this 'poop poop' you are having to deal with  ;) though it sounds like things are improving, thank goodness
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on April 19, 2022, 12:20:01 PM
Look at iherb site, I am sure you will have it in Canada as American company and we have it in UK too.
They sell NOW Foods, Psyllium Husk Powder says no additives.  Never used for Ollie as I have a probiotic powder with other additives which I use and seem to do help.

Sending best wishes Julie and Ollie.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 19, 2022, 07:58:42 PM
Another two small hours wakeup and lots of little bits of poop all over the garden and one little coiled pile. I talked to the vet office this morning about using psyllium and she said they have Fortiflora probiotic with psyllium, but it's a veterinary product, so automatically more expensive. I already order a probiotic online and the receptionist mentioned that pet insurance would probably cover the Fortiflora, so that does offset the bigger cost. The costs of treatment these days for Fraser is stunning, added to the cost of his special hypoallergenic food, probiotic pill, monthly pet insurance rate etc. I was starting to add it up to see how much I spend per month and then realised it if was a human member of my family I'd never think of doing such a thing. And he's a very important member of my family, so I stopped that calculation quickly. I'm lucky that I can afford to pay even though it's hard on the budget. I was thinking this morning of people who have a sudden huge vet bill in the thousands for an accident or major surgery and couldn't afford pet insurance and don't have the wherewithal to pay thousands of dollars. What happens to those dogs and cats when owners can't afford vet care. I hesitate to think that deeply into it.

Ahh, found the iHerb site and powdered psyllium powder is much cheaper than the Fortiflora. It does have a warning about taking enough water with it to prevent choking which is a bit worrying though I already float Fraser dry food in water with pumpkin on top and he slurps that up readily. I'll have to look further into it to see if they deliver to my area.

Thanks, Jaysmumagain for the suggestion,
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on April 19, 2022, 09:39:37 PM
Feeling like Toad of Toad Hall after seeing his first car. I have a faint memory of being able to talk of other things

That's cos of all this 'poop poop' you are having to deal with  ;) though it sounds like things are improving, thank goodness

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on April 20, 2022, 08:29:14 AM
On the UK iherb site in questions someone asks about giving to a cat -will route out the answer and post later as fingers crossed you and Fraser are sleeping.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on April 20, 2022, 10:37:14 AM
This was from a question posted in iherbs UK site

Yes, you can add it to your cat's food but do not add too much or else your cat will have an intestinal blockage. I recommend spreading out 1 teaspoon throughout the day during your cat's meals and seeing how your cat does. This way you can determine if you should add more or less psyllium powder. It is imperative that you ensure your cat gets enough water by adding water to their food, otherwise they risk forming an intestinal blockage while being treated with psyllium husk powder. Whether your cat it being given psyllium or not, you should always make sure your cat is getting enough water. A chronically dehydrated cat is a grave issue and can lead to many more health issues and complications.

Hope you can find more info

Take care Julie
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 20, 2022, 05:56:01 PM
Yes, I saw that comment on the iHerbs site and I'm glad I had the warning. with all the trouble he's having, I don't want to add anything more.  While I was in the drug store yesterday, I had a look through their laxative section and found powdered psyllium in capsules that had no additives, so took it home with me. Put the powder from one capsule into his pumpkin and added water plus kibblel last night and again this morning. He slept through the night, yay! and perversely, I woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep until an hour before official get up time. So, things looking promising. It will be cheaper to get online and if psyllium seems to be working, I'll start to buy it there. He did a poop this morning and another one of the coil kind maybe late last night. The Tylosin order finally came in at the vets, so now he's on the presdnisone/Tylosin regime that I hope will calm his gut and he can carry on with his life in better health. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on April 20, 2022, 06:45:16 PM
I really hope this settles things down for you both.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on April 20, 2022, 07:53:51 PM
Fingers crossed!  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on April 21, 2022, 09:08:30 AM
Sending cyber wishes for an improvement for you both - and some well earned rest.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 25, 2022, 10:02:23 PM
Just when you think it's safe to go back to the vet....Now Fraser is having the anal polyp removed in June. It was found two years ago and since then vets have thought it wasn't growing much. Took Fraser in to the vet to have his anal glands expressed and the locum vet said the polyp was larger and probably enough to cause some obstruction. Up until now, the size of the polyp hasn't been mentioned as significant during all the tests Fraser has had. But, in case it actually is contributing to Fraser's problem I decided to go ahead with having it removed. Talked to the specialist clinic who's going to do a consultation and then removal on the next day. The vet on the phone said the polyp could be a cause of inflammation in his gut. Ka Ching. In for a penny, in for thousands of dollars, but I guess every avenue needs to be explored to try to get him back on track as otherwise, he's a strong, energetic dog for his age. Unnervingly, I have a person in my neighbourhood who has an adorable cockapoo (Fraser and the cockapoo are in love--they rush toward each other) who has heard the ongoing story and seen Fraser straining to poop. Lately she's been asking if I've had him put down.  :016: Ummm, no. Not as long as he's still enjoying life other than having a hard time pooping. And I'm working on that.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on April 26, 2022, 06:30:12 AM
Poor little fella, - lets hope the op will finally solve it!! Fingers crossed for you both, do let us know how it goes  :luv:
(Fingers crossed for the little cockerpoo as well, heaven help him if he gets a bout of the runs!  :shades:)
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on April 26, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Sorry to read your update, as bizzylizzy says, hope this helps sort out his gut issues.

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for you both
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on April 26, 2022, 12:05:36 PM
Am so sorry to read the update, but you must stay positive, these cockers are strong little dogs as my Ollie has shown, still as demanding at the age of 14 plus :luv:

Hug to you and Fraser
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on April 28, 2022, 07:26:41 PM
Thanks for cheering good wishes. Poor fellow has been licking his behind a lot and he left a smear of blood on my leather couch this morning after he'd been outside. At least the pumpkin and bran buds which have psyllium in them seem to be working as he's now pooping during the day rather than overnight. It looks like input and output are matched which I'd been worrying about before when his straining wasn't very productive. Not looking forward to the aftermath of his surgery in such an awkward place. I'm sure it will be uncomfortable for him. But if it helps....
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on April 28, 2022, 08:45:20 PM
That will have been a bit of a shock for you.  It's good that his toilet routine is better and you are both getting a bit more rest.  Sending positive and healing vibes for the surgery.  xx
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: phoenix on May 05, 2022, 08:10:50 AM
Diverticulitis is a thought. My father in law had that. Dieticians came up with continual changes to diet. However when he went into a care home he got the same normal varied meals as every  else and was much better!
Ive gone off feeding dry food. My feeling is that a sensitive digestive system needs wet food, less trouble to the gut .
Vets invariably recommend prescription food.  Are you aware of any actual food allergies?  Personally I would try a grain free commercial wet food.  I feel that some vets are over keen on giving too many different things when sometimes going back to the basics can clear the system and let the real problem become more obvious.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 21, 2022, 08:42:45 PM
I wish I was coming back with better news. Fraser is still a little over two weeks before his appointment with the specialist vet clinic in Vancouver. In the meantime, he seems to be going downhill. He is dropping into a crouch attempting to poop every few yards on his walks. He's started to be uninterested in his food, a major change as he's always been mad about food. I put it out and he will maybe take a few mouthfuls and then it sits while he goes back to bed for a snooze. Usually later he eats the rest of the food. However, he has lost weight, down from 11.8kg two months ago at the ultrasound to 11kg a couple of days ago. Last night while he was sleeping, his respiration was fast and shallow. I took a couple of vids to show the vet. I watched him for a couple of hours and it remained high. When I took him to the vet a couple of days ago, she upped his prednisone to 2 pills per 24 hours instead of the 1 pill every 48 hrs. Plus put him on a second antibiotic. I don't know if the raised prednisone might be causing the faster respiration. He's still asking to go out a couple of times per night and usually leaves several little pils, so overall his output still seems to match input. I'm wondering it there's any point in taking him out for neighbourhood walks as he spends most of the time trying to poop with little result, though some small amounts. He seems to produce more during his night time forays. But maybe he needs the walks for his mental health, a bit of stimulation and things to sniff. It's all very worrying and I don't know whether he's got much of a future, but I'm hoping the specialist vet will be able to pin down what's wrong and find effective treatment. Simple removal of the anal polyp is addressing only part of the problem though that's what he was referred for.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on May 22, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
Sorry to read your update, it must be heartbreaking for you to watch and experience. I hope the specialist vet can come up with something hopeful  :luv:

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 22, 2022, 03:34:59 PM
So sorry to read this,  I really wish I could come up with something useful to say, - I can only begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I do hope the the specialist in Vancouver can help and give you some answers.
I do agree about the walks, - even if its only 5 minutes outside, I think keeping to the routine is so important, they need to keep their morals up like we do otherwise they get get frustrated and depressed.
Keeping fingers and paws crossed for you, do hope something can be done for Fraser! Please keep us posted. Sending  :D :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 23, 2022, 06:47:21 PM
Oh that is concerning for you. I wish I had something useful to contribute.  I do think that you are completely correct in doing his usual walks as I think the routine is good for him.  I hope the vet can give you some answers.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 24, 2022, 05:41:01 PM
Am so sorry to read this update on Fraser, I also think it is good to continue his outings, if he didn't want to go I think he would let you know.

You mention his breathing, I was lead to believe that the steroids help with the breathing, Ollie does pant with them, but never when sleeping. His main side effects have been increase in thirst and hunger.  I wonder whether the panting is pain related, I had a fall last week and was so breathless, never experienced it before, explained it was due to pain and shock.

I do hope this vet specialist can sort your boy out and send healing thoughts to Fraser and my support to you.

Julie
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 25, 2022, 04:21:56 AM
Fraser is fast asleep while he's doing the rapid respiration and it goes on for hours. This morning he didn't touch his food. I put a call into the vet office and he called later in the day and we discussed the overall picture. He's concerned that Fraser is losing weight and that the usual treatment for colitis isn't working. He's leaning toward the possibility that it could be cancer. However, the consultation with the specialist vet is the only way to find out. Maybe a colonoscopy and biopsy is the more useful test to get a grip on what's going on with poor Fraser though he'd been referred for a removal of the polyp. The vet going to phone them and suggest he needs to be evaluated by the internal medicine dept. rather than surgical. In the meantime, I need to keep Fraser going until he can get to his appointment there. In the late afternoon when Fraser's breakfast was still in his bowl untouched, I threw it out and boiled some chicken and rice to see if he would go for that. He scarfed it down, so obviously was hungry, but was done with the hypoallergenic food he's been eating for years. So now the trick is to find out what nutrition I can get into him that doesn't exacerbate his colon, but still gives him enough to keep going. Poor little guy still has a bit of spring in his trot, so has strength, but spends his walkies time crouched over trying to poop every 50' or so. And that's been going on for over a month, constantly. And for whatever perverse reason, he does his pooping at night instead of during the day, so there goes sleep. I guess we'll see how it goes for the next couple of weeks before his specialist appointment and once there, whether they can find out the cause of his decline. Thanks for your supportive comments. I know cocker owners on this board especially know what this process is like since you've gone through it or something like it before. I don't know what the outcome might be, but I'll do everything I can to get him help until it's clear he can't go on.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 25, 2022, 07:16:19 AM
 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Yes indeed, there are lots of us pulling for you here and I hope that does help in a small way, you sound as if you’re cut from the same wood as dear Fraser, giving up isn‘t an option but it must be exhausting, so fingers crossed  you‘ll get an answer very soon.
In the meantime, hang on in there and try and stay positive.
 :luv: :luv: and best wishes
Jayne and Humphrey x
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 25, 2022, 10:42:58 AM
Oh again sorry to read this, I do understand as I was told the treaded words 18 months ago, and the diet thing has been a struggle - if Fraser is eating just chicken and rice give it him, Ollie has white fish and rice twice daily along with pumpkin and a small handful of fiber dry food, probiotics and his meds.  When things are bad it is just fish and rice.   If Fraser is happy to eat chicken and boiled rice then go with it - at this stage it is all you can do till you have a clear picture.

I understand the concern about his rapid breathing, it is what concerns me when you post, ultimately you just have to find the hours in the day that Fraser finds comfort in, whether chicken and rice a snuggle up with you or a short walk, just keep him comfortable till Vancouver.

Remember we are here and when you struggle during the night we are wide awake over here and checking posts. 

As Jayne says we are here for you in whatever way we can be, and hope that knowledge gives you some comfort.

Julie
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 25, 2022, 07:19:25 PM
Whatever he eats, go for it.  Might not be the specialist food, but it's nutrition. I think you are doing your absolute best for Fraser, and that's all you can do.  Thank you for the updates, I appreciate you must be exhausted, sending you hugs.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 26, 2022, 07:15:46 PM
Thank you for your support. It does help. Fraser is very low today. Still rapid respiration at 50-60 bpm. I don't think he's going to make it to his appointment in Vancouver as he declines a little more each day. The standard treatment for colitis isn't helping him and that leaves the other possibility of cancer. The ultrasound vet wrote in the report two months ago that the thickening in his colon could be from chronic colitis or neoplasia (which could be benign or cancerous, but Fraser's overall decline suggests the latter.) I talked to the vet yesterday and he said the loss of weight was a concern and said the possibility of cancer was higher, especially as he has not responded to the standard treatment for colitis. Last night Fraser did eat half a can of the hypoallergenic food he'd been refusing in the dry form that he's been eating for years. This morning I put out chicken, chicken broth, pumpkin and rice as the chicken needed to be used up. He had to be lured to his dish with a piece of chicken, but ate only a few bits off the top. He's had a nap since then, just woke up and ate the rest of the food. Which is good. But he declines a little more each day. I'm not sure he's going to make his appointment in two weeks. Just sent an email to his vet asking what more can be done for him, even if just to make him more comfortable. He is restless at night and sometimes groans, so he might be in pain. Certainly the ongoing rapid breathing can't be good for him, nor the repeated attempts to poop that has been going on for months now. Giving him gentle pets and lots of love.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 26, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
I feel for you, it's hard to watch them fade.  I hope you can get an earlier appointment, if only to find out what you are truly dealing with.  You are doing your very best and Fraser could not be any more cared for.  Cuddles and love is important for you both.  Please take care of yourself too. xx
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: vixen on May 26, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
My thoughts and best wishes are with you and Fraser  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Virtual hugs to you both.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: annclare on May 27, 2022, 06:47:55 AM
My heart goes out to you and I'm sure everyone else on here feels the same. It's so hard to be trying absolutely everything you can to give Fraser an adequate quality of life for the remainder of his time and the helplessness when it doesn't seem to be helping. But you find new strength every day to carry on and hopefully you will find some answers and possible solutions for him in the near future. You and Fraser, bless him, have my love and prayers. xx 
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 27, 2022, 07:13:15 AM
Thanks. I talked it over with Fraser's vet tonight and I'm going into Vancouver to the clinic on an emergency basis tomorrow. The vet thinks he might not last another two weeks until his appointment with the weight loss and rapid respiration. Somehow, considering it's a weekend in June when ferries are packed, I managed to get a reservation. So, hopefully they will find out exactly what's going on and maybe do something to help him. Will keep you posted. Thanks for your support and best wishes for Fraser.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 27, 2022, 08:51:48 AM
Can only second what everyone else has said and sending  :bigarmhug:
Best of luck!  :luv:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 27, 2022, 09:21:16 AM
All my thoughts are with you and hopefully it is not too much of a difficult trip over to Vancouver.

Will be thinking of you both Julie

Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on May 27, 2022, 11:58:18 AM
Best wishes for a safe journey, I do hope the vet can help him  :luv:

Sending  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for you and Fraser
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 27, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
Sending love and prayers to for you and Fraser.  Safe trip.  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 28, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
I’m so sad to tell you that an Xray revealed that Fraser’s lungs were filled with cancer and he was put to sleep yesterday afternoon. I know you all know the kind of grief this brings. I stayed over at a friend’s house last night and will head back home this afternoon and begin to process the loss of my beautiful boy. Thanks for your support over the many years I’ve been able to drop in with my questions and read your accounts of your own beloved companions.  This board is invaluable for all of us who love our beautiful, sweet natured, bright spirited spaniel souls who come to stay with us for too brief a time.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Mudmagnets on May 28, 2022, 04:52:43 PM
I am so sorry to read this, RIP Fraser, have fun over the rainbow free from pain and anxiety.  :luv: :luv:

Some special  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for you mum at this sad time

Love Irene, Minstrel & Branston
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 28, 2022, 04:57:05 PM
so so sorry to read this, I‘ve been thinking of you on and off all day.
There‘s little one can say that eases the pain other than you did everything humanly possible for Fraser, the journeys that you‘ve had to be undertake to ensure his treatment are almost unimaginable to the majority of us who can just pop up the road to the vets, Fraser couldn’t have had a more dedicated carer.
Once the initial stress and pain have eased, you‘ll be able to focus more on the happy time and  I‘m sure there were many.
Take care of yourself  :luv:  Run free dear Fraser, you were very loved x
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: annclare on May 28, 2022, 05:28:43 PM
This was the news I've been dreading reading all day. So very sad that your darling boy has left you. However long we have our dogs it is never ever long enough. No one could have done more for him and I know from experience it will have taken a heavy toll on you and you will feel it more now that he's gone, such an emptiness, so please look after yourself as Fraser would wish. Rest in love and peace Fraser, you will never be forgotten. xx
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: vixen on May 28, 2022, 08:40:20 PM
So very sorry to hear this.  Unfortunately, nothing anyone says will ease the pain for you at the moment.
You know you did everything in your power for Fraser but when the grief is raw it doesn’t help.  But in the weeks ahead, you will look back and take comfort that Fraser is no longer in pain and you did everything you could.
Unfortunately the pain is the price we have to pay for their love
Even though the pain is intense when we lose them, we would do the same again to have the love they give..  Rest in peace Fraser, free from the pain. 
Most people on this forum have lost beloved dogs and we share your grief. 
My thoughts are with you at this sad sad time.
Hugs to you. :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 28, 2022, 10:31:10 PM
I am devastated for you.  Fraser was loved without compromise and you did absolutely everything you could for him.  No words will help, but please know that we understand your pain and your loss.  Please look after yourself, and check in with us, if you feel you can.  Run free sweet Fraser, loved for eternity. xx
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 30, 2022, 02:41:43 PM
I am so saddened to read this.  I was dreading reading this.

Your love and devotion to Fraser was uplifting and I am sending all my sympathies to you.

Your boy was loved and in this crazy world what more can a beloved boy need.

May our thoughts and messages from across the ocean bring you some sort of comfort at this sad time.

Take care of yourself.

Run free darling Fraser.

Love Julie

Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: tritonx on May 30, 2022, 07:04:52 PM
Thank you all for your caring wishes. The grief really is quite crushing. I went out yesterday to drive along a beautiful winding road near me with flashes of the sea between the trees and lovely gardens in the houses tucked in the woods. I stopped at a small park and as I was walking across the grass to the beach, I realised this was the park where I took Fraser for his puppy classes. He was hopeless, overwhelmed with excitement at being with other pups. He generally spent his time rearing and spinning at the end of his leash. I continued along the road to the end where a government wharf juts into the bay. Fraser used to love all wharves as the pigeons nested and cooed just under him and he'd spend the entire time with his nose pressed against the cracks between the boards. His entire bird dog lineage was awakened by the sounds and smells of the pigeons. There was a lovely little plant nursery in the woods and I went in thinking I'd get a small memorial Japanese maple for him, but came out with a dwarf gingko tree. I love the idea that it pre-dates the dinosaurs and has survived several extinction events. Being in such beautiful natural surroundings helped though, of course, I wish my boy could have been with me as he always was.
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: ejp on May 30, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
Heart-breaking but beautiful words  :luv: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 31, 2022, 06:51:47 AM
Fraser is everywhere around you and these are the memories that will see you through this initial grief. He clearly had a wonderful life with you!  :luv:
 :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Fraser with ongoing gut issues. Saga warning
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 31, 2022, 03:34:59 PM
Thank you for sharing these wonderful memories.  It's sounds like such a beautiful place with Fraser all around.

Take care of yourself

Julie