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Cocker Activities => Working => Topic started by: Millomite on November 24, 2006, 12:00:03 PM
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Just a quick demographic
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Got Glen purely as a pet and although he is a working cocker he has never done any work so don't think he'll miss out. ;)
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I put no, because I dont work her in field trials? (she does work in obedience...but i guess that doesnt count :005: )
I'd like to know how to teach her more gundog exercises (not sure I'd want to go out on a 'real' shoot though) :D
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Um - it depends on the definition of "work" ? :huh:
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Um - it depends on the definition of "work" ? :huh:
Don't be pedantic! You know what Scott means. ::) ::) Especially as this section has been specifically set up to discuss 'working'. If you are unsure look at the description on the home page. ::)
No. I don't work my dogs. Although if I ever got them trained to a good enough standard, I wouldn't mind giving it a go. Don't really know where to start to be honest though. So I'll keep reading threads in this section for tips. ;)
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I put no, because I dont work her in field trials? (she does work in obedience...but i guess that doesnt count :005: )
I'd like to know how to teach her more gundog exercises (not sure I'd want to go out on a 'real' shoot though) :D
You dont have to work them in field trials. You can do working tests, gundog scurries etc which are all canvas dummy based
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Um - it depends on the definition of "work" ? :huh:
Don't be pedantic! You know what Scott means. ::) ::) Especially as this section has been specifically set up to discuss 'working'. If you are unsure look at the description on the home page. ::)
Actually, I'm not - there are people I know who don't consider field trials to be "working".......I just wondered what the general use of the word is, and whether the classes I am looking at fall into this category ?
Trialing is mentioned in this section and field trials in the Other Activities section - are they the same thing, or different ? :huh:
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Um - it depends on the definition of "work" ? :huh:
Don't be pedantic! You know what Scott means. ::) ::) Especially as this section has been specifically set up to discuss 'working'. If you are unsure look at the description on the home page. ::)
Actually, I'm not - there are people I know who don't consider field trials to be "working".......I just wondered what the general use of the word is, and whether the classes I am looking at fall into this category ?
Trialing is mentioned in this section and field trials in the Other Activities section - are they the same thing, or different ? :huh:
I would class trials and working trials as the same thing. Can't see why they have split.
I think the general aim of this forum is working in terms of gundogs etc
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I am currently training Bailey at the moment for beating,I have had 3 Cockers in the past,Raisen,Badger & Murphy that have all been great beating/rough shooting, and in the case of Raisen pigeon shooting dogs.
Badger also competed in Gundog tests, he was the best trained Cocker that I have owned, having passed the advanced spaniel test at the East Midland Gundog Club, unable to trial him though as he had a fault of sometimes making a noise when on live game, which is not allowed.
Baileys is not doing too bad, didn't have him from a pup, he came to me as a rescue dog at the age of 11 months and I have no history of his parentage at all.Hope to introduce him to the gun soon.
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I would class trials and working trials as the same thing. Can't see why they have split.
Working Trials are completely different to Field Trials, hence they have been listed in the Other board. Working Trials involve a combination of obedience, agility, tracking and at the highest level, man work (ie police dog work). Cockers can and do compete at the lower levels in Working Trials (but they're too small to progress to the higher levels)
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I would class trials and working trials as the same thing. Can't see why they have split.
Working Trials are completely different to Field Trials, hence they have been listed in the Other board. Working Trials involve a combination of obedience, agility, tracking and at the highest level, man work (ie police dog work). Cockers can and do compete at the lower levels in Working Trials (but they're too small to progress to the higher levels)
From a shooting mans perspective a working trial/test is the use of canvas dummies to simulate 'in the field' situations. A field trial uses real game.
Must be confusing, it is for me. I only know of working gundog things, not agility etc
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From a shooting mans perspective a working trial/test is the use of canvas dummies to simulate 'in the field' situations. A field trial uses real game.
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Just what I was about to type.
Also in a Field trial you would only be competing against other spaniels as the breeds are split.
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I would love to work mocha out on a shoot and gamefair scurries but am happy to just use the principles of gundog training to help develop him and stimulate him. It might be helpful if someone more knowledgeable than I lists some of the things we do with our gundogs, I will give it a go or maybe it should go on another thread?
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This link explains field trials:
http://www.adviegundogs.co.uk/field.htm
This one explains working tests:
http://www.basc.org.uk/content/competingarticle
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I would love to work mocha out on a shoot and gamefair scurries but am happy to just use the principles of gundog training to help develop him and stimulate him. It might be helpful if someone more knowledgeable than I lists some of the things we do with our gundogs, I will give it a go or maybe it should go on another thread?
Start a new topic up and I'll go through some of the stuff me and my cosuin do with our labs and cocker/s
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yeh don't want to hijack the post scott ;)
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Nope I don't "work" in the sense you mean it, with any of my dogs.
(however, they do ALL work, in another sense ;) :005: - in fact they should really all have their own bank accounts :lol:)
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I put no, because I dont work her in field trials? (she does work in obedience...but i guess that doesnt count :005: )
I'd like to know how to teach her more gundog exercises (not sure I'd want to go out on a 'real' shoot though) :D
You dont have to work them in field trials. You can do working tests, gundog scurries etc which are all canvas dummy based
I would be interested in training her for fun, and working her in scurries/gundog working tests...etc if I had been able to train her to that level (she has done a fun scurry before, but I dont class that as 'working'. The clubs local to me only really want to take on a working type, and only then if the handler wants to train the dog to take it out on a shoot. So, I dont fall into either category ph34r
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Bilbo If working involves the cold, the wet and dead stuff you can count him out
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/crazyspaniel/sleepybilbo002.jpg)
Dobbie does a little bit, we are just starting with him but he has retrieved pigeons when we rough shoot and done a few days beating which he loved, we also work one of our Springers (rough and beating) who won a 2nd and 3rd at the scurries at the BASC show this year which made me very proud :D
Working Tests are for gundogs, Working Trials are the tracking, obedeince, retrieve etc. It is important to make the difference as everyone does different things. I have had a go at working trials training but the scale is too high for my ickle springer girly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/crazyspaniel/TRIALS013.jpg) - the top of the bars on the side is the competing jump height :o
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I would class trials and working trials as the same thing. Can't see why they have split.
Working Trials are completely different to Field Trials, hence they have been listed in the Other board. Working Trials involve a combination of obedience, agility, tracking and at the highest level, man work (ie police dog work). Cockers can and do compete at the lower levels in Working Trials (but they're too small to progress to the higher levels)
Thank you, Jane - I'm far clearer about it now :D
The classes locally are fairly new, but at present sound as if they are orientated towards field-trials rather than working, so I'll be watching the other board more than this one ;)
I am considering going to them after Christmas - once clicker classes have finished ;)
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my answer has to be yes and no as they flush and retrieve but i dont go out shooting with them its my oh who has the gun. he shoots rabbits, birds and foxes and the odd deer, I actually hate dead things so I leave all that stuff up to him. I didnt used to be such a wally but its a phobia and its getting worse as im getting older. I feel so guilty as I get asked a lot to help at shoots and i just cant now . I was up on the heather moors behind the croft there yesterday, just me and the three spaniels and poor Gibb the collie, We went out way past loch muie and crossed miles of heather and bog.we past the old peat banks no one uses now its a sad place the hill no-one in the old bothys and crofts there now since the clearances, just ruins. one still has a bit of privet growing where once a garden would have been. the dogs worked away the collie tried to round them up and not one grouse did I see and no hares either. the ground here was thick with them once . saw a few red deer in the distance, they watched me I watched them, lovely. I must start taking a camera with me. I did see a trout jump in the loch so theres life there.
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Wow Jean it sounds beautiful where you walk.... we see quite a few roe deer down here, and rabbits, no hares though.
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penel you would have a ball with your camera.
there were kites flying above me today I know they are kites by their tails and loads of buzzards as ever, the young are on there own now and they all whirl around in the thermals off the rocks behind my mothers croft.
we even have golden eagles here in rogart and ospreys at the mound during the summer. there are hen harriers too. we get loads of bird watchers as well as sportsmen. we have wild goats and sika, red and roe deer. there are not as many hares now but if you are prepared to walk even further into the hill than I was, up at ben armine where the eagles are there are mountain hares. I was at the borders of the muie sheepstock club/ dalnessie area yesterday. today I was just bumming around mams crofts at pittentrail up in the heather behind the house. looking at the birds. there are plenty rabbits just now so the dutch boys didnt shoot them all! also there are hut circles and standing stones and brochs galore. I try to imagine what it was like then very different I expect as it was forrested then and the sea was higher, the vikings used to sail up the fleet. I wonder if they had spaniels? ( or lurchers? bet they had lurchers!!)
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I would like to work loki eventually but dunno if it will happen, firstly I have no idea about training for this and we ldont live near any shoots or trainers for it (only agility and obedience classes) plus the fact Loki seems to be scared of birds (a walk in the local park he was petrified of the pidgeons)
I f we do move out of the town then I would love to find someone who could help us and a shoot near us.
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wow jean...that sounds gorgeous, and a lovely place for doggie walking and training :D
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I would like to work loki eventually but dunno if it will happen, firstly I have no idea about training for this and we ldont live near any shoots or trainers for it (only agility and obedience classes) plus the fact Loki seems to be scared of birds (a walk in the local park he was petrified of the pidgeons)
I f we do move out of the town then I would love to find someone who could help us and a shoot near us.
You don't need to be near a shoot to do gundog training, it's just another disipline and form of training like obedience and agility. All you need is a park, 3 dummies a whistle, a dog that listens (if anyone knows of any let me know ;)_ and you're away :D
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I was thinking of waiting till we got the basics ( we are having major trouble with stay at the mo) before even thinking if doing anything else (which will hopefully gve me time to learn a bit more myself)
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penel you would have a ball with your camera.
there were kites flying above me today I know they are kites by their tails and loads of buzzards as ever, the young are on there own now and they all whirl around in the thermals off the rocks behind my mothers croft.
we even have golden eagles here in rogart and ospreys at the mound during the summer. there are hen harriers too. we get loads of bird watchers as well as sportsmen. we have wild goats and sika, red and roe deer. there are not as many hares now but if you are prepared to walk even further into the hill than I was, up at ben armine where the eagles are there are mountain hares. I was at the borders of the muie sheepstock club/ dalnessie area yesterday. today I was just bumming around mams crofts at pittentrail up in the heather behind the house. looking at the birds. there are plenty rabbits just now so the dutch boys didnt shoot them all! also there are hut circles and standing stones and brochs galore. I try to imagine what it was like then very different I expect as it was forrested then and the sea was higher, the vikings used to sail up the fleet. I wonder if they had spaniels? ( or lurchers? bet they had lurchers!!)
Sounds fab Jean. I'm not really up 'north' north much but I do spend a lot of time on the west coast around Fort William with work and I love it up there. I take the dogs whenever I can and they have a ball running around in Glencoe and around the Ben Nevis pathways and we also go out west towards Lochailort and even towards Morar/Mallaig if I have more free time while I'm there.
I've worked for my company for three years and in that time I've seen golden eagles, ospreys, kites, kestrels, harriers, buzzards, otters, foxes, hundreds of red deer (go to Rannoch Moor in rutting season! :o), roe deer, millions of rabbits, hares, badgers, mink, salmon and trout in the River Lochy, kingfishers, heron.... I could go on!
I think the north and west of Scotland are the last really wild places left in the UK.
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I think the north and west of Scotland are the last really wild places left in the UK.
wild is right, one shop, one pub, a dial a bus and everywhere is up a hill! but I wouldnt swop this place for the world!
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I think the north and west of Scotland are the last really wild places left in the UK.
wild is right, one shop, one pub, a dial a bus and everywhere is up a hill! but I wouldnt swop this place for the world!
My sentiments exactly Jean!!
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now denise where are the hills in caithness?? ;) :lol:
we MUST get together for a race along the beach.. the dogs I mean!!
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omg sounds like paradise to me.i want to live in scotland too,but i like the hot weather down here.not very hardy am i! i love wide open spaces and wild animals(though i would be terrified that the eagles would pinch the dogs)my grandda was scottish.
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I work my dogs although ayla is only a pup and most she does is a bit of ground work and moving the ducks forward at the moment, she has a good nose is swift nice hunting pattern and will I hope be a pleasure once she's fully trained.
If you are interested in gundog work then there are lots of clubs that you can go to although you might have to travel a bit to find them. Ayla goes to a class run for HPRs at the moment but its only basic obedience so the same sort of stuff she'll change once we move on to proper working tasks.
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Just a quick demographic
You can get shampoo for that :005:
sorry :-\
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I work both my current cockers. They work all year round - picking up and beating in the winter (pheasant and duck), rough shooting ( rabbits mostly ) and pigeon shooting in the summer. There is nothing more delightful than watching a cocker do exactly what he or she was born for. This is Meg fetching a pheasant for me. Not sure how to post pictures so I hope it works
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/caldecottegundogs/Shoot2005nov020.jpg)
For those who don’t like to participate in shooting, cockers are superb retrievers and many working tests are carried out using retrieving dummies rather than game.
Have a go - your dog will love it.
Pippa
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I am taking Floss to her first shoot next week ...........wish us luck we need it!
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I am taking Floss to her first shoot next week ...........wish us luck we need it!
ooooh good luck Nic! You'll have a great time! :shades:
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good luck nic floss will be a natural..
meg looks good in that pic.. what concentration in her eyes.
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I am taking Floss to her first shoot next week ...........wish us luck we need it!
Good luck :D how old is she?
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I am taking Floss to her first shoot next week ...........wish us luck we need it!
Good luck :D how old is she?
She is about 18 months now this is just a small shoot that I am beating on. My trainer is the gamekeeper there so we are just going to give her a little try out. Hopefullu by next season she will get fully fledged!
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cool good luck, wish we had got Stella sooner so that we could have gone to a few shoots at the end of this season I may take her for an hour on cock day to see what she's like with the guns other dogs etc. good luck :D
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Yes I do. And they are all excellent hunting dogs, despite being purely showbred :blink:
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Yes I do. And they are all excellent hunting dogs, despite being purely showbred :blink:
ooh katina - if you have any photo's of your dogs out working and hunting i would love to see them :shades: :luv:
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yes please katina piccies please!! :luv:
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Sorry guys, could't really find any good photos >:(. I don't think I have a single one with a dog with game in it's mouth :'(..
Helmi 10 weeks old retrieving a duckwing (she was too fast bringing it back :shades:, so the photo is what it is).
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/kennelprettyflowers/helminoutaasiiven.jpg)
Emma waiting for "Go"
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/kennelprettyflowers/kaislikossasuhiseenettiin.jpg)
Silvi tracking
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/kennelprettyflowers/silvimeja.jpg)
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aawww baby helmi :luv:
thanks katina :-*
lovely to see your dogs out and about, especially Miss Champion about to throw herself in a river ;)
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Yes.
The cocker was born to work and IMO will never fulfill its potential if it isn't being cast off, sent back, retrieving and working the line while I am beating.
Love to see the furry little *** working flat out all day then going into near comatose for the night.
LB