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Offline Joules

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 06:03:40 PM »
Laura, do you really intend never to let Ollie properly off lead?  :huh:  A long line is not off lead  :shades:  If so, then you will probably be the only person on here to do so  :huh:  If Ollie is not the sort of dog to go charging off then you should have no worries about recalling him to you should you need to.  :shades:

And a dog on a lead barking at another passing dog is not necessarily being aggressive - Coco often barks at other dogs and people if she is on the lead but she is in no way aggressive.  :-\
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 06:04:48 PM »
Laura, do you really intend never to let Ollie properly off lead?  :huh:  A long line is not off lead  :shades:

And a dog on a lead barking at another passing dog is not necessarily being aggressive - Coco often barks at other dogs and people if she is on the lead but she is in no way aggressive.  :-\

Ditto this

Sorry, I know you are young Laura and I am making allowances for that, but honestly you really can not keep a spanial on a lead/long line just because of your insecurities

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 06:06:56 PM »
Quite an interesting thread. I found  that Rufus behaved very differently on the long line. Wouldn't be his normal self at all.Always came back and was quite subdued. It is strange how many owners look all concerned when my mad black cocker is haring about. Those who do not know him either realise that he is doing what cockers do, or quickly call their dogs to heel. This inevitably makes Rufus want to meet and greet. So their dog picks up on the tension. If people were more relaxed, I am sure the dogs would sort it out. Where I walk, we soon get to know the dogs with a reputation for true aggression. I manage this by trying to avoid them and altering when I set him free.

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2009, 06:08:22 PM »
I am going to keep him on a long line. Seriously, he's so laid-back and he doesn't need to burn off energy. I think he thinks he's a cavalier or something, he's not crazy or mad at home so he must be getting enough exercise for his energy. Have you seen the autumn park video? It shows him doing what he normally does on a long line, and you can see he's perfectly happy.

Well, I wouldn't want my dog barking at other dogs or people. What if that person was nervous of dogs, it'll just make them ten times worse.



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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 06:09:41 PM »
How can you say a dog does not need to burn off energy?

All dogs bark!

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2009, 06:09:51 PM »
I think you're being over-cautious tbh, :-\ Jarvis was let off lead young, and has attempted to approach every dog he's ever met since then ::) :005: his recall is something we practise on every walk, and it is generally very good, he's a fairly typical cocker in that he has his moments when it'll take a few calls to get him back, but he always comes because we practise so much. ;) With regards to meeting other dogs, Jarvis has met hundreds, and because he has practised his social skills so much he knows who to approach and who not to ;) in all his time he has only ever had one attack which was a real attack as such, and that was from an in-season bitch, so just down to hormones rather than an aggressive dog iykwim. Lots of dogs do get gobby with others when on lead (Jarvis included ::)) and it's an important part of their socialising IMO. the long line is a useful training tool, but it is just that, to be used for training, not an alternative to a recall. ;)
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2009, 06:11:59 PM »
Just seen the new reply. ::) ALL dogs need to burn off energy. The weight of a long line in my experience does make them potter more as running makes it harder work!

I actually think it is cruel to never give him a chance to run about properly like all dogs should. :(
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 06:14:36 PM »
Ok, but (this is not in a rude way) do you all think about the people who may be nervous of dogs off lead? And also Ollie's not neutered, so it's also irresponsible to let him off lead.

Ollie doesn't bark at people or other dogs.



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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 06:17:15 PM »
Well, I wouldn't want my dog barking at other dogs or people. What if that person was nervous of dogs, it'll just make them ten times worse.

Barking is a dog's natural behaviour as is running around and exploring and meeting other dogs  >:(  I cannot imagine anyone thinking that it is acceptable to keep any dog, especially a spaniel, on a long lead for life  >:(  I know you are young Laura but everything in life has a risk attached to it and we just have to learn to manage that risk  :shades:

Just seen the new reply. ::) ALL dogs need to burn off energy. The weight of a long line in my experience does make them potter more as running makes it harder work!

I actually think it is cruel to never give him a chance to run about properly like all dogs should. :(

Agree with Beth  :-\
Ok, but (this is not in a rude way) do you all think about the people who may be nervous of dogs off lead? And also Ollie's not neutered, so it's also irresponsible to let him off lead.

Ollie doesn't bark at people or other dogs.

Plenty of people on here have unneutered male dogs and they go off lead - do you really think there are in season bitches everywhere you go?  Re people who are nervous of dogs - if you are in a park, with other dog walkers, most people will not be scared of a cocker pup.  :-\

Tbh Laura, I think this is more about your insecurity and need to control Ollie than about anything bad he might do  :-\
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2009, 06:17:33 PM »
Ok, but (this is not in a rude way) do you all think about the people who may be nervous of dogs off lead? And also Ollie's not neutered, so it's also irresponsible to let him off lead.

Ollie doesn't bark at people or other dogs.

If it's his wotsits which are stopping you letting him off then get the poor boy neutered for his own sake. ::)

Generally i've found that people who are nervous of off lead dogs don't tend to walk in dog walking hotspots.
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2009, 06:18:38 PM »
People in general that are nervous of dogs do not go to parks where everyone lets thier dogs off leads!

ALL dogs bark!

I have 2 entir dogs that are off lead every day!  the only irresponsible people are people that would bring an in season bitch out to a dog walking area!

I think it is irresponsible to have a cocker spaniel, a dog known for having a lot of energy and not letting it have 'proper' exercise

may I ask what were your reasons for getting a dog?

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2009, 06:21:36 PM »
Of course I want to control him and keep hold of him. I don't want him to be run over or run away or get hurt. I'm a bit motherly over him. He's my little baby!!! But he's not that sort of dog that needs that much energy taken out. I know that most cockers need tons of exercise and off-lead exercise to get rid of all of their energy and if they don't they go mad, but Ollie's just not like that.

We have had a dog before, a cavalier, and she went off lead, sticking to us like glue. Very submissive too.



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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2009, 06:24:53 PM »
How do you know he does not need off lead if you never let him!!!!!

He is a dog not a child, dogs NEED proper exercise

Life is full of unknowns,  we all want to protect the animals/people in our lives, but they are also entitled to have a life too!!!!!!!

For instance, my son goes to school and comes home with bumps and bruises sometimes, does this mean I should not send him to school and keep him wrapped in cotton wool?

You owe it to your dog to let it have a full life, he is not just for grooming and showing, he has needs

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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2009, 06:26:31 PM »
I can see both points of view here; I HATE it when off lead dogs run up to mine when they are on lead, and work damn hard to make sure that mine don't do this to other people  :-\

It took me over a year of longline training to get to a point where I was confident enough with Molo's recall for me to let him off in areas where there were other dogs or hazards/distractions and be able to keep his attention (he is also entire)......so for about a year, the majority of his exercise was obtained through longline training.  I did find and use secure paddocks and other areas (tennis courts are good) where I could let him off knowing that I would not have to recall him for any reason, so that his training wasn't set back.

Laura - if you want to train Ollie to ignore other dogs when he is off-lead (unless he is given permission) then the longline is a good way of achieving this; but I would encourage you - just once - to find somewhere like a secure paddock or sand school (they can be hired by the hour for small fee) and take Ollie along with a tennis ball and chuckit, let him off the lead and allow him total, secure, freedom in order for you to see the difference in his behaviour. Hopefully, this will encourage you to work towards the same freedom in more public areas and keep up the training in order to achieve it  ;)
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Re: ollie went off lead today!!!! Q
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2009, 06:27:14 PM »
Laura it seems that you are looking for reasons to justify your decision not to let Oliver run free when the priority should be seeking help overcome your own fears. Do you know a dog-savvy person that can walk with you and help build up your confidence ( and your confidence in Oliver) ? If not maybe a few one-to-one sessions in the park with your trainer would help. If you don't deal with it soon then you are just storing up potential problems for the future... Oliver will never learn if you don't allow him the chance to.

These two articles are worth reading, they may give you more of an insight into Oliver's needs and also help you understand his body language and that of other dogs you encounter in the park...

http://www.canis.no/rugaas/onearticle.php?artid=2

http://www.canis.no/rugaas/onearticle.php?artid=1