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Cocker Specific Discussion => Puppies => Topic started by: LucyH99 on September 11, 2004, 07:42:26 PM
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:( Hello, I have just joined the forum after getting my gorgeous golden puppy Toby (8 weeks old) on Monday. On Thursday lunch time, he was sick. By 4pm he was very ill and is now at the vets on a drip with a virus of some kind. Parvo has been ruled out (but symptoms are similar) and we were warned it was likely he would not make it through Thursday night.
He has made it through, but is still very weak and ill and cannot eat without vomiting. The vets have done all they can and we are just waiting to see if he can fight this. It is horrendous having to see him so ill.
Has anyone else had an experience like this, and have their babies pulled through? One vet says it is optimistic he has made it til now, another says it is still very touch and go. No one can give any reassurance at this stage (understandable) but the wait is unbearable.
Lucy
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:( hi lucy , so sorry about your little one ,cant really offer any advice honey is only 6 mts old so im quite new to all this to , im sure someone on the forum will come along soon with some advice for you , i will keep you both 8n my thoughts and send you loads of love and hope everything goes ok and the babe keeps on fighting xxxxxx
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OOhh Lucy, I'm so sorry to hear this - I do hope Toby pulls through - at least he's getting cared for in the right way. I'm sure the vet is doing everything possible. Jx
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I'm so sorry to hear about your little one being poorly.....I hope he keeps fighting.
I don't have any advise, but at least if he is still fighting then it looks hopeful.
Would it be worth phoning your breeder to see if any of his siblings are ill.
I'm not sure if that sort of information would be useful to your vet.
I hope the news is brighter in the next couple of days.
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Thanks for your messages.
I have spoken to the breeder on a regular basis keeping her updated on Tobys progress, but none of the other pups are ill. She is keeping the one remaining pup with her for longer now before letting her go to her new owners after this.
The vets say he could have picked this up from anywhere, but that it would have been in his system before we collected him. There may be no way of knowing what caused this, I just hope Toby survives. It just brings home how vulnerable puppies are before they are vaccinated. Ringing the vet tomorrow morning for an update :( .
Lucy
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Hello Lucy,
So sorry to hear about little Toby, you must be so worried about him. :( But he's in the best place and fingers crossed he'll soon be home with you.
Will keep him in my thoughts, take care and if you need a friend there's many on COL :)
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Sorry to hear about Toby. Its really difficult when they are that small - you just worry about them so much. Dallas was poorly when I got him as a puppy - had to take him to the emergency vet the day after I brought him home. :( Thankfully he didn't become as ill as Toby but he came very close to being hospitalised and being put on a drip. We never did get a definite diagnosis but we think it was just a case of bad gastroenteritis. He took about a week to get over it.
Will be keeping everything crossed for Toby. Do let us know how he gets on - hope he has another stable night tonight and is on the road to recovery very soon
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just wanted to add my best wishes for Toby, bless his little heart, be strong little one :)
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Hi Lucy, so sorry to hear little Toby isn't well, :( fingers crossed he will soon be on the mend, and be home again soon.
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Sorry to hear that little Toby is poorly. Sending healing thoughts to him tonight. Hope the news is better tomorrow
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we can`t help with having experienced this but we send you our love and prayers,you will both be in our thoughts,keep fighting little toby!!!! .you poor thing lucy, you must only have had him at home a few days what a nightmare,but he sounds like a real little fighter and we will keep everything crossed for a speedy recovery love,hugs and puppy licks
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hi lucy,i really hope little toby will be okay,lots of love and best wishes to the little fella,and you too,
i,m sure all will be fine,keeping everything crossed for you,xx
ziggy jasper and mabel xxxx
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Lucy,
Get your vet to check for campylobacteriosis!
Here are a few websites that someone sent me on the subject :-
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo...ylobacter_g.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/campylobacter_g.htm)
http://www.dogstuff.info/dog_show_crud.html (http://www.dogstuff.info/dog_show_crud.html)
Apparantly, the symptoms are very similar to parvo BUT the treatment is very different. The treatment for parvo may prove fatal if the pup is suffering from campylobacteriosis.
I was tipped of to this virus by someone whose son had lost an entire litter of 10 puppies within 96 hours.
I don't want to frighten you or upset you as this is not my intention, but it might be worth ruling out the possibility of this awful virus.
Hope Toby gets well soon, and you take care too.
Sandie, Aimee and Wesley xx
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So sorry to hear about little Toby. Please keep us updated on what is happening.
Thinking of you.
Louise
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Hope your pup gets well soon.
There was a lot of HGE around last summer so I wonder if its that (haemorrhagic gastroenteritis), as it can also mimic parvo
HGE (http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/git-hge.htm)
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:( Thank you for all your messages.
I am afraid Toby did not make it through last night and the vet rang us this morning to break the news.
He had a virus, but they can't identify which one. He never really had much of a chance being so young, and couldn't fight this off.
Although we only had him a very short time, I am devastated (we all are, husband and daughter too). The only consolation is that he is no longer suffering, he was really struggling the last time we saw him which was heartbreaking to watch so at least he is at peace now.
Lucy
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oh how devasting for you, I am so sorry to hear this :(
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Lucy, I'm so so sorry to hear this news, even though he was with you a short time he will always have a special place in your heart, take care and if you need to talk we are always here.
Sending you a big hug xx
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Lucy - such sad sad news. The fact he was with you only a short time doesn't make it any less painful at all.
I really feel for you all.
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I am so sorry to hear that Toby didn't make it :( You must all be absolutely devastated :(
Sending lots of love to you and your family.
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So sorry to hear this, at least he is not suffering anymore.
Michelle
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Oh, such sad news.Poor Toby. :(
Thinking of you
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That is such devastating news :( my thoughts are with you and your family :(
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So sorry to hear your sad news. Take care of yourself
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So sorry to hear littleToby didn't make it. :( Thinking of you. Take care. xx
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So sorry :(
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:( Ohhh how terrible for you all, I am so sorry little Toby didn't make it :(
Take care of yourselves xx
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im so sorry. He was only young :(
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:( im soo sorry to hear about little Toby, poor baby. Thinking of you at this sad time xxx :(
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Hi Lucy
Just wanted to wish you the best & my thoughts are with you & Toby
Diane
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I am so sorry for you Lucy - you and Toby will be in my thoughts Love Wendy
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Oh, so sorry to hear about your little Toby :( .
Thinking of you at this terrible time, Lucy
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Oh no I'm so sorry! That's just tragic, bless his little heart, you must be so upset.
Shona xx
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What terribly sad news. Poor little Toby. Sending you and your family lots of love.
Louise
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:( so sorry lucy to hear about Toby , we are all thinking about you and sending you a great big hug to you and your family xxxx
ruth & honeyxx
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So sorry to hear this, we are thinking of you and your family
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Lucy - I'm so very sad to hear about poor little Toby :( My thoughts are with you at this sad time.
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Such dreadfully sad news, can't even begin to imagine how you are coping, my thoughts are with you at this awful time :(
Correna& Bailey
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Lucy, I have only just seen this - don't know how I missed it !
I'm so very sorry to hear about Toby, my thoughts are with you at this sad time :(
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awwww lucy i am so sorry to hear your news :(
take care x x x x
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Lucy, I'm so sorry to hear such sad news :(
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I am so sorry Lucy :(
Life can be so cruel at times :( My thoughts are with you. Toby is at peace now. I hope in time you can come to terms with your loss.
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lucy,i,m so terribly sorry to read that,thinking of you all, :(
lots of love and hugs
ziggy jasper and mabel xxx
rest in peace little one xx
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The vet thinks he must have had the virus for 7 to 10 days before it came out so agressively, which means he must have had it when we picked him up. We only had him from Monday night to Thursday lunch time before he went to the vets.
We have been in touch with the breeder with the bad news, but don't know how to tackle the issue as you can never be 100% sure what made him so ill, and the breeder is upset too.
She has offered us another of the same litter, a little girl who is still with her. I am not ready for this, and want to bring this to a close and have some time to come to terms with what has happened. I am also very wary about bringing any other pups in our house now, so will leave for a few months I think.
I really don't know where we stand on asking for help with vets bills or anything from the breeder. Money really isn't an issue, but I feel it is the principal of getting support from the breeder that is key here, and we have had no hint of any help in discussions so far.
I really appreciate all your kind comments, and hope one day I will be able to come back with news of our new healthy cocker pup!
Lucy
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Lucy, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss - you must be devastated :( If I was your breeder, I would be really upset naturally but I would not even think of rehoming the puppy she still has while there is a risk she may be carrying/incubating this virus. I would think most reputable breeders would also offer you a full refund without even having to ask. Of course, your breeder may not be experienced or know what is expected of them - if you want to contact me privately, I may be able to advise you what to do next. Of course, money is the last thing on your mind at the moment but you shouldn't be financially out of pocket as well as emotionally devastated by the loss of Toby. Was he insured by the way? Most good breeders (and even some of the commercial breeders) provide 6 weeks insurance cover as soon as a pup leaves them which would cover a situation like this.
Jane
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Dear Lucy
Having had a busy weekend, I am only just catching up with news from the Forum and have been so upset reading the threads and hearing your bad news. I am so sorry. I know that my words can't make you feel any better at this time but we are all thinking of you.
I do feel the advice given to speak to your breeder about a full refund is the right way forward and hope you may feel able to tackle this in the next few days.
I do hope that one day, you will be able to welcome a new puppy back into your home and enjoy a full life that poor little Toby wasn't able to have.
Much love to you and your family xxx
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I agree, or . . . . . . .
Maybe if your breeder has puppies fairly regularly, you could maybe have another puppy from a different litter, in the future when you feel ready.
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I agree, or . . . . . . .
Maybe if your breeder has puppies fairly regularly, you could maybe have another puppy from a different litter, in the future when you feel ready.
I was thinking that too.
I think you are right in your choice Lucy, it may be too soon at the moment. But I'm sure in time you will think of another puppy.
I hope Toby was insured...if not, I would seriously consider speaking to the breeder. No one would think money was the most important issue at a time like this..you just want Toby back. But I agree with Jane that you shouldn't be expected to be out of pocket as well as heartbroken :(
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love to you and all your family at this terrible time only time can heal the pain you must be under ,a pray as i write this he`s playing in heaven with all the other little pups that are taken away from this world too soon,god bless and may you be blessed in time with a cocker that gives you so much love and fun that toby never had the chance to do as much he could had he still been hear .your posts are a reminder to all of us how fragile puppies can be
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I am so very sad to hear the news about little Toby.
I'm sure you are feeling devastated at the moment, but it will gradually get better.
Run free from pain, little Toby.
God Bless
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Lucy Im so sorry to hear of your loss :(
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Dear Lucy
I have been catching up on what has been happening on COL and was so very sorry to read this about poor Toby. What an awful experience for you and I can't imagine how you must be feeling.
Thinking of you at this very sad time.
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so sorry to hear of your loss, its hard to even imagine what you are going through.
Lots of cocker hugs for all your family.
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So sorry to hear of the tragic loss of little toby,
My thoughts are with you and your family.
From Karen
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Lucy
So very sorry to hear about little Toby - it must be devastating for you.
I hope that in time you will be able to look forward to having a new little one although I know that you will never forget Toby.
Cocker hugs and kisses to you - take care xxx
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thinking of you and imagining your pain , please forgive me because i can only imagine what ure going through , all my love
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Just catching up here - I'm so very sorry to hear that Toby didn't pull through. I can only imagine how you must be feeling.
Take care and I'm thinking of you. Janice
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Hi Lucy We are all thinking of you
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Thinking of you.
If he was KC registered and you transfered the registratin into your name he should be fully insured. I'm sure the breeder will help as much as they can - they must be just as devistated as you are! I know i would be!
Love and hugs
Clare
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Haven't been on COL much recently and somehow missed this post - I am so sorry to hear about Toby :( Thinking of you at this very sad time.
with love
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Sooo sorry to hear about your baby's illness - I hope he pulls through and this all becomes a memory very quickly.
Something you wrote did ring a bell however, and that seemed to suggest that Toby was unvaccinated.
Puppies can be vaccinated at 6 weeks using Nobivac, and once again at 12 weeks. This helps protect pups re-homed at (their optimum age) 8 weeks.
What ails him may be absolutely unconnected with the usual parvo/distemper etc. but all puppies should have had at least their first vaccination and a health check by a Vet. before they are re-homed. Most breeders (and us at the Blue Cross) give 6 weeks free PetPlan insurance as long as the animal is 8 weeks old and has no pre-existing condition which could be excluded from cover at PetPlan's discretion.
This is all absolutely no consolation or help to you at the moment, but you may have to question Toby's health when you first picked him up, and if there is anything the breeder can tell you which may narrow the search for a cause, then you need to keep in touch with them, and also the other new owners of the rest of the litter (preferably with them and not with the breeder as an intermediary).
Here's wishing the little mite (and you) all the best - keep us posted ...
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Sue, I don't think you could have read all of this thread, poor Toby didn't make it, he is already running at Rainbow Bridge :(
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Hi so sorry for you we know how you are feeling,we lost a five mth old puppy he was running about on saturday and ill on the sunday.he never came home from the vets. on the monday I sat at home when the kids had gone to school and all i did was cry. my husband came home and we looked on the kennel club puppy page we was not shaw if we should have a puppy or not that night we found a puppy.it took some of the pain away i sill cry for blue the puppy we lost and i think that my dogs know why i'm crying as they give me lots of licks and kissers. i think you should get another puppy but from another breeder .
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I'm so so sorry to hear of your loss. We'll be saying a prayer for poor Toby, rest in peace little man.
I hope that one day you'll know the joy of having a cocker in your family and aren't forever put off by your experience, they really are the best.
(I know this is a bit late, just got back from our honeymoon)
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:) Just to bring closure to this post, we had the results of the post mortem back on Toby and he did die from Parvo. We have reached an amicable agreement with the breeder on money, so can now move on. This is a great forum and I will certainly be reading and learning as much as I can, so when we do decide to get a new baby I am as ready as can be!
Thank you all for your kind words.
Lucy & family
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Hello Lucy,
Thanks for letting us know about little Toby, I think we were all upset by your post.
I'm glad that you and the breeder came to an agreement over the money side.
We look forward to you coming back in your good time with your new little friend.
Take care x