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Cocker Specific Discussion => Puppies => Topic started by: McFly on January 20, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
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Hi folks,
I'm going to view two litters of Cocker Spaniel pups tomorrow, I'm all in a muddle over what I'm going to ask and what I need to check when I'm with the breeder!
I know I'll get a feeling for conditions as soon as I arrive, but additionally I want to be sure I ask the correct questions. Do I need to request proof that eyes of both parents have been passed as good? What checks to I need proof of regarding the pup?
Thanks in advance.
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my question would be, what makes you think you are going to make it to the second breeder before you decide :005: :005:
When i went to choose Kira, i had 3 breeders to view, only made it as far as the first one (then finished up with a black one rather than yellow - which was my original intention). never regretted my decision through, she is :luv: :luv:
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my question would be, what makes you think you are going to make it to the second breeder before you decide :005: :005:
When i went to choose Kira, i had 3 breeders to view, only made it as far as the first one (then finished up with a black one rather than yellow - which was my original intention). never regretted my decision through, she is :luv: :luv:
Hi Black taz - ironically it's a black pup that I really really want, but I'd also settle for a nice Blue Roan! :D
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Have you told the second breeder you're going to see another litter before you go to them, there is a risk of passing on infections from one litter to the other :-\.
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Have you told the second breeder you're going to see another litter before you go to them, there is a risk of passing on infections from one litter to the other :-\.
A little pedantic, no?
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Please try and make it to the second breeder! We have a 7 month old pup and are so glad we picked him from the second litter we saw! You also have a point of comparison then. With the first litter the breeder seemed to be breeding them wholsale. Pups were lovely but seemed a bit older than we expected.Mum seemed a little bit hostile. At second breeder the pups seemed much younger. Mum was very friendly. I lifted Milo up (he was sleeping) and he opened his eyes and kissed me! He was telling me 'I'm the one for you!'
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Please try and make it to the second breeder! We have a 7 month old pup and are so glad we picked him from the second litter we saw! You also have a point of comparison then. With the first litter the breeder seemed to be breeding them wholsale. Pups were lovely but seemed a bit older than we expected.Mum seemed a little bit hostile. At second breeder the pups seemed much younger. Mum was very friendly. I lifted Milo up (he was sleeping) and he opened his eyes and kissed me! He was telling me 'I'm the one for you!'
Thanks!
Yes I'm definitely going to make sure I see both, the last pup I bought with my ex - we only viewed one litter despite my suggestions to look at more, and the pup ended up with very weepy eyes (Bichon).
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Have you told the second breeder you're going to see another litter before you go to them, there is a risk of passing on infections from one litter to the other :-\.
A little pedantic, no?
Actually no, not pedantic at all - I really wouldn't want anyone visiting a litter of mine straight after they had visited another breeder due to the risks as Cayley mentioned. The risks may not be high, especially if people scrub their hands well and remove shoes before coming into the second breeder's home but it's still not something I'd be happy with - puppies are too precious to take these kind of risks.
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Have you told the second breeder you're going to see another litter before you go to them, there is a risk of passing on infections from one litter to the other :-\.
A little pedantic, no?
Definitely no, We have to make sure that our puppies are safe from infection from outside.
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What sort of infection are we talking about here?
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What sort of infection are we talking about here?
Any number of viruses can be transmitted by touch or on people's clothing/shoes - these viruses may not be too serious in an adult dog but could have a much more devastating affect on young puppies. If you really must visit two litters, it would be much better to spread the visits out, perhaps one visit this week and the other next week.
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What sort of infection are we talking about here?
Any number of viruses can be transmitted by touch or on people's clothing/shoes - these viruses may not be too serious in an adult dog but could have a much more devastating affect on young puppies. If you really must visit two litters, it would be much better to spread the visits out, perhaps one visit this week and the other next week.
I have been researching various breeds on numerous forums, and have spoken to a number of breeders, and this is the first mention from anyone on this subject. I think perhaps some people are a little over cautious...nevertheless, I shall speak to the second breeder tomorrow and mention it to her, she can make the call.
I'll be sure to hose myself down before visits though! :angel:
Anyway - as per my original post - can anyone advise on that?
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What sort of infection are we talking about here?
Any number of viruses can be transmitted by touch or on people's clothing/shoes - these viruses may not be too serious in an adult dog but could have a much more devastating affect on young puppies. If you really must visit two litters, it would be much better to spread the visits out, perhaps one visit this week and the other next week.
I have been researching various breeds on numerous forums, and have spoken to a number of breeders, and this is the first mention from anyone on this subject. I think perhaps some people are a little over cautious...nevertheless, I shall speak to the second breeder tomorrow and mention it to her, she can make the call.
I'll be sure to hose myself down before visits though! :angel:
Anyway - as per my original post - can anyone advise on that?
I just hope that with your attitude, you never want to view my puppies >:(
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What sort of infection are we talking about here?
Any number of viruses can be transmitted by touch or on people's clothing/shoes - these viruses may not be too serious in an adult dog but could have a much more devastating affect on young puppies. If you really must visit two litters, it would be much better to spread the visits out, perhaps one visit this week and the other next week.
I have been researching various breeds on numerous forums, and have spoken to a number of breeders, and this is the first mention from anyone on this subject. I think perhaps some people are a little over cautious...nevertheless, I shall speak to the second breeder tomorrow and mention it to her, she can make the call.
I'll be sure to hose myself down before visits though! :angel:
Anyway - as per my original post - can anyone advise on that?
I just hope that with your attitude, you never want to view my puppies >:(
Lighten up! Jeepers!
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Hi there and in answer to your question a good breeder will produce health certificates for eyes, kidneys (FN) and hip scoring without any question, of both parents .
When we saw prospective buyers they already knew what our girls result were from the kennel club online results along with dads . You should be able to check online from the pedigree registration numbers from the breeder and these results are important when we invest in a little puppy we want to grow up healthy as it's a long time they live for and deserve our care and anything we can do to prevent any inherited problems should be safeguarded . As you say you will get an idea when you see them although you don't say how old the litters are . It's like that programme location location location . It's research research and research again . I found it so hard when we looked and turned down pups from litters we waited over a yeAr for lottie
as so many not had right testing for us ..
The ladies are quite right in regards to visiting one litter after another ,puppies pick up infections so easily and it only takes a small amount of bacteria to start the ball rolling . A bit like babies they need time to build an immune system and I personally would have not allowed a visit from a prospective buyer who had visited another litter the same day .. Sorry it sounds so contrite but it's not worth the risk for me . Good luck.
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Hi there and in answer to your question a good breeder will produce health certificates for eyes, kidneys (FN) and hip scoring without any question, of both parents .
When we saw prospective buyers they already knew what our girls result were from the kennel club online results along with dads . You should be able to check online from the pedigree registration numbers from the breeder and these results are important when we invest in a little puppy we want to grow up healthy as it's a long time they live for and deserve our care and anything we can do to prevent any inherited problems should be safeguarded . As you say you will get an idea when you see them although you don't say how old the litters are . It's like that programme location location location . It's research research and research again . I found it so hard when we looked and turned down pups from litters we waited over a yeAr for lottie
as so many not had right testing for us ..
The ladies are quite right in regards to visiting one litter after another ,puppies pick up infections so easily and it only takes a small amount of bacteria to start the ball rolling . A bit like babies they need time to build an immune system and I personally would have not allowed a visit from a prospective buyer who had visited another litter the same day .. Sorry it sounds so contrite but it's not worth the risk for me . Good luck.
Hi Penguin87,
Many thanks for that post, some very helpful information there for me.
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My last litter of puppies contracted conjuctivitis and I believe it was from some potential puppy buyers who, after they had come into the house and picked up the puppies for a cuddle, told me they had already viewed a litter that morning. >:D
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Must say I'm disappointed with the dismissing of experienced breeders' advice on this thread. McFly, if you knew the hard work and devotion a good breeder gives to their litters, you would not dismiss their worries - you'd take them on board and realise we are doing our best for our puppies. We are being sensibly cautious not "over protective" and the concerns we have are well-known, not something we've made up.
For other potential puppy buyers who read this thread, like Penguin87 says, it's a good idea to do as much research as possible before you even get to the stage of visiting a litter - you can ask all your questions, check health test results beforehand and get a feel for a breeder before you visit (and of course they will do the same and ask as much about you too). That way you're more likely to find a good breeder and get to know them before a visit, thus eliminating the need to visit multiple litters to compare breeders.
Hope you find what you're looking for anyway McFly ;) I've just noticed you're in N Ireland where it is not so easy to find puppies from health tested parents but good luck anyway.
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I'm not a breeder but have to just say that if I were looking to purchase a puppy I would far rather that a breeder was taking every possible precaution to ensure that the pups were healthy and happy than worrying about one being pedantic. I'd take it as a positive that every thought was being given to the pups welfare and that a more laid back approach may not be in the either the pups or any potential owners best interests.
And if the breeder one visits first is not so cautious it'll be the second breeder who suffers and any subsequent unsuspecting purchasers of those pups whether that be you me or others. It that may not even be apparent at the point that pup is taken home that the pup is poorly. Seems a no brainer to me. I'd not be reading pedantic, I'd be reading it as a positive sign.
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Just want to wish you good luck but also would like to say when we visited Toby's litter last year I asked the breeder if she wanted us to wash our hands but pointed out to her that we had not just come from viewing another litter (we'd come straight from home and washed before we left). If we had been to see another litter first, I wouldn't have gone in to see them without being able to wash my hands first. Puppies are very susceptible to infection and every care needs to be taken to safeguard their health.
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I made my mind up the second I saw Toby's mum Lilly! He is as beautiful as she is. :luv:
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When we went to view our puppy the breeder asked us to remove our outdoor jackets....and supplied us with hand sanitiser before the pup was even introduced. We were happy to do so as i had another cocker at home and would have felt awful if i had introduced any infections to a litter of tiny pups unintentionally.
Breeders put a lot of effort into ensuring that they provide the best possible healthy pup to new owners ..and quite rightly so
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When I viewed Belle I had to stand in a bowl with a small amount of special disinfectant in before I walked into the 'play area' as they were outside in a pen, it was playtime :luv:, and I had to use handrub on my hands and put on a disposable apron, I was a bit bemused at the time but it left the impression that they cared enough about the pups to bother with the precautions. I have since learned how suseptable (sp) young pups can be and they were wise to take such measures. I would be put off if no measures to protect the pups were taken.
Good luck in your search by the way ;)
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I am only viewing two pups from the same breeder today, so there's no worry regarding passing on any infections. I will be sure to wash my hands before going in, I have hand sanitiser in my car anyway from spending time on sites/farms for my job.
A couple of things I have considered after speaking to a friend this morning, I'm out of the country the first week of March, so I have been told to postpone getting a pup until I return, as the first couple of months are crucial for bonding. Otherwise I would have been leaving the pup in the care of my parents for a week - would that be a bad idea?
In addition, the pups I am viewing today are 20 weeks old - the breeder wouldn't sell them in the run up to Xmas, so he has ended up keeping them a little longer than normal. Are there are any drawbacks of taking a dog of that age? Could there be additional separation issues from its mother?
I will update the post later - thanks for all the advise thus far.
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We were also suitably disinfected when we went to view Ruby. I was actually quite impressed by this as it gave a clear message that the breeder was doing her best to make sure her pups were kept healthy.
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Otherwise I would have been leaving the pup in the car of my parents for a week - would that be a bad idea?
Assume you mean care :005: I think a 20 week old pup would have lots of advantages - basic training done, jabs etc so able to take for walks straight away. If you got a 20 week old pup now and could perhaps leave it with your parents for a day then overnight then I would have thought that would be fine. However, if you're looking to get an 8 week pup it'd probably be best to wait until after your trip.
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Otherwise I would have been leaving the pup in the car of my parents for a week - would that be a bad idea?
Assume you mean care :005: I think a 20 week old pup would have lots of advantages - basic training done, jabs etc so able to take for walks straight away. If you got a 20 week old pup now and could perhaps leave it with your parents for a day then overnight then I would have thought that would be fine. However, if you're looking to get an 8 week pup it'd probably be best to wait until after your trip.
I'm not at all bothered regarding the age so long as I'm not taking on something that will be harder work than a younger pup, and going by your post, it sounds like it may be a good thing! :blink:
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I'm not at all bothered regarding the age so long as I'm not taking on something that will be harder work than a younger pup
Sorry, had to smile at that :005: Personally, nothing is harder work than a very young pup. Having an older puppy could have more advantages.
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My main concern with a pup that age, would be that he/she has been properly socialised - a confident, friendly puppy, able to cope with all that life can offer. If not, I would leave well alone ;)
Best of luck with your viewing :D
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My main concern with a pup that age, would be that he/she has been properly socialised - a confident, friendly puppy, able to cope with all that life can offer. If not, I would leave well alone ;)
Best of luck with your viewing :D
Yes I agree - it depends on how much socialising the breeder has done (especially if the pups are kennelled rather than living inside the home). At 20 weeks, if the pup is a "house pup", he should be making progress in toilet training and lead training etc which could work well for the new owner but not if he's not been anywhere yet, not seen a lead etc.
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I did a lot of research and became obsessed with the fact that I had read whatever happens in a pup between 8 and 12 weeks shapes their whole lives, how true this is im not sure. We had Willow at 8 weeks and i have to say she was like a sponge in the first 4 weeks we had her home. We took her walking in our arms before she had her jabs, had lots of people come to meet her and got her used to noises she was a bit afraid of, hoover, washing machine. We walked her past schools whilst the children were playing outside, people in hats, by dustbin lorries, my OH in his motor bike gear etc
I also did lots of clicker training and she could do quite a few tricks by 12 weeks. So from my point of view unless the breeder has socialised them as you would, i personally would go for a smaller pup but that is only my view. Willow is a very confident 13 month old doglet now and all our hard work and thought put into those 4 weeks was worth it imo :D
However if this had already been done then thats fab and would be less stressful :005: :005:
Whatever you decide, wishing you the best of luck :D
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Can I suggest that you obtain some Cocker Spaniel breed/guide books, either buy them or borrow them from the library. They are full of useful info from puppyhood, through teens, adults and elderly. Get several and read them all so you get a larger overview.
Are you getting a show type spaniel or a working type??
Please don't dismiss information that you read on here. There are a lot of people on here with various backgrounds relating to Cockers and dogs in general, from pet owners, to groomers, to breeders, to dog handlers, showers, etc, so they do know what they are talking about. The simplest things are often the things that get overlooked and cause the biggest problems. No one is inflable and knows everything......
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Viewed the pups with a breeder in Larne tonight, he had 3 pups of 20 weeks, one bitch and two dogs. All were absolutely lovely, very quiet and well behaved, although the larger of the two boys was very withdrawn which worried me a little, especially as he was the best looking and the one that I liked most.
I'm going to sleep on it tonight before making a decision, I have a couple of concerns that I need to give some consideration to, one is the fact they haven't had any training on the lead yet, and the other is the fact I didn't see the mother or where the dogs were kept out the back. In fairness I didn't ask to see the mother or where they were kept, so that's my own fault.
The breeder was a real gent and couldn't have been more helpful or knowledgeable, I spent over an hour with him and he was totally genuine, he shows Cockers and is (or has been) a KC judge for the breed at various shows. He showed me certificates to prove both parents were DNA checked and all clear from the eye issue, and also FN tested and clear. Each pup will come with papers, a contract, 4 weeks insurance and a voucher for some food, puppy pack and vet report & microchip registration.
A few pics:
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That reminds me so much of my two boys when they were that age. :luv: So cute. Glad you are taking time to think it over, very easy to let your heart rule your head. Something I am very guilty off ph34r
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Why not ask to go back and meet the mother? I'd don't think you should have had ask to see her today. I think she should have been bought out for you to meet her. Good luck anyway. :D
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I would definitely ask to see the mother, but would expect her to be there anyway :-\ beautiful pictures but you are wise to be cautious
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Hi there . Oh what a dilemma for you .
Just out of interest did you check the kennel name on the kennel club web site for the certificates . All breeders I know would always show you mum . I was so proud of my beau I wanted people to see her with the pups . If the pups are kept 'out back' maybe they are not so used to being indoors hence being quiet . My litters were raised indoors and were all VERY playful and noisy 15 weeks. Also dogs kept out of the main house can be difficult to toilet train . Certainly not impossible but probably harder . Also domestic noises like hoovers washing machines and general noise can cause issues unless you are looking for a dog to keep outside .
I'd visit again to see mum and out back if you can and check out those results ..
I'm a cynic so please forgive me that I do not always take people at face value .. Sorry but not showing mum is just a bit odd ...
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Hi there . Oh what a dilemma for you .
Just out of interest did you check the kennel name on the kennel club web site for the certificates . All breeders I know would always show you mum . I was so proud of my beau I wanted people to see her with the pups . If the pups are kept 'out back' maybe they are not so used to being indoors hence being quiet . My litters were raised indoors and were all VERY playful and noisy 15 weeks. Also dogs kept out of the main house can be difficult to toilet train . Certainly not impossible but probably harder . Also domestic noises like hoovers washing machines and general noise can cause issues unless you are looking for a dog to keep outside .
I'd visit again to see mum and out back if you can and check out those results ..
I'm a cynic so please forgive me that I do not always take people at face value .. Sorry but not showing mum is just a bit odd ...
In all honesty I didn't even take note of the parents names on the certificate, so I wouldn't be able to check that right now.
I think the dogs spend a lot of time in the house during the day, but at night and when the owners are out they are kept outside in purpose built accommodation. Today for example, his grandchildren were round and the pups spent all day playing with the kids in the house.
I have another litter to view anyway, the lady called me back today but we missed each other again! Hopefully I can see them tomorrow or Monday evening.
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What unusual markings the pup in the first picture has :luv: (By unusual, I mean I've never seen it before :005: )
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What unusual markings the pup in the first picture has :luv: (By unusual, I mean I've never seen it before :005: )
Yes, I was shocked to see that too, gorgeous dog though :luv:
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Awwww they're beautiful puppies and look well cared for. The one second from last photo is gorgeous :luv:
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What unusual markings the pup in the first picture has :luv: (By unusual, I mean I've never seen it before :005: )
Yeah very unusual, but she was such a nice pup - the friendliest of the 3! Father was black, and mother was orange.
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I agree with the posters saying you need to see the mum. I don't understand why they haven't been sold already...8 weeks is the usual age for selling them, and I just feel the pup is going to bond more quickly with you at that age.
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What unusual markings the pup in the first picture has :luv: (By unusual, I mean I've never seen it before :005: )
Yeah very unusual, but she was such a nice pup - the friendliest of the 3! Father was black, and mother was orange.
I was going to say that you'd get those markings from a mixed particolour x solid mating. Unusual for a show breeder to mix solids and partis in their breeding program so perhaps this is something you could also ask about. You should definitely have been shown Mum without having to ask - it's usually automatic for most breeders to have Mum with the pups for visitors to see.
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Well they look lovely :luv:
Would not take too long with a little help from google to check the breeder out regarding his status as a judge and as Jane said it can be hard to find health tested cockers in Ireland so the testing is a real bonus. Nice that they are socialised with the grand children . That explains them being tired I guess .
All the best with your choice I'm sure you will know :luv:
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What unusual markings the pup in the first picture has :luv: (By unusual, I mean I've never seen it before :005: )
Yeah very unusual, but she was such a nice pup - the friendliest of the 3! Father was black, and mother was orange.
I was going to say that you'd get those markings from a mixed particolour x solid mating. Unusual for a show breeder to mix solids and partis in their breeding program so perhaps this is something you could also ask about. You should definitely have been shown Mum without having to ask - it's usually automatic for most breeders to have Mum with the pups for visitors to see.
Re the link to the KC Sales List, sorry haven't heard of any of those breeders.
No both parents were apparently solid colours, father all black and mother orange.
I might go back in the week and ask to see the mother and where the pups are kept. I'll view the other litter first though, they're all around 8 weeks old I think.
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I got selby st 16 weeks and although he was good at toileting he had not been socialized, I think mainly
Because he had not had his second injection, we have had a few problems that we are still working on, and they are getting better, so I think there are pros and cons to getting an older pup.
Hope all goes well, and you will not get any better information and help than you get on this site, it's very addictive. Keep posted
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No both parents were apparently solid colours, father all black and mother orange.
I might go back in the week and ask to see the mother and where the pups are kept. I'll view the other litter first though, they're all around 8 weeks old I think.
Orange is shorthand in the show world for orange roan - it's a parti colour ;) You would only get those white face markings from mixing particolours with solids :blink:
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We got Autumn at 18 weeks and it took a long time to get her used to the lead and house training
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Lovely pups, love the one jeanette pointed out, and as they are health tested that a bonus since Jane says its difficult to find where you are ;)
Of course temprament is sooo important so maybe a second viewing with the mum present would be a good idea, the only thing that 'worries' me slightly is why he would mix a solid with a parti with his background (showing and being a judge etc) as Jane says its not usually the done thing in showing etc because of the mismarks , like the first pup, who is of course very cute but mismarked, this makes no difference to a pet home of course but it seems a little odd to me that someone with his knowledge would do it? I would def ask ;)
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I've only just seen this thread but after reading through all of it one thing sticks out to me. If he is an experienced breeder that didn't want to sell pups over the Christmas holidays then why did he time a litter that way?
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Well done for being cautious. A word of warning, my sister went to see some pups from a breeder from the KC website (not "assured" like the ones you showed) and it was quite dodgey and probably a dealer. You need to be very careful; even dealers can come across as very convincing and knowleadgeable. I would suggest:
1. see puppies' mum
2. check certificates closely. There should be 5 generation KC pedigree and all the health tests, plus at that age vaccination certs.
3. See their accommodation
4. Ask to take the pup you like on a short walk
5. Have the pup sit with you (on your knee or next to you) for the cuddle factor :luv:
I really do love the one with the spotty nose :luv:
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Just googled the gentlemans name which is on the list and there is a judge with that surname showing up but the first initial is different - strange :-\ :-\
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I've only just seen this thread but after reading through all of it one thing sticks out to me. If he is an experienced breeder that didn't want to sell pups over the Christmas holidays then why did he time a litter that way?
20 weeks old, they would have been ready to go to their new homes at the end of October - thats not really Christmas puppies in my mind.
Indie was born at the end of September, even later than these puppies and was ready to come home at the end of November - I don't think of her as a Christmas puppy. I can understand if they were 8 weeks old a couple of weeks before Christmas but not if they were ready 2 months before Christmas :dunno:
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Just googled the gentlemans name which is on the list and there is a judge with that surname showing up but the first initial is different - strange :-\ :-\
What was the first initial?
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I've only just seen this thread but after reading through all of it one thing sticks out to me. If he is an experienced breeder that didn't want to sell pups over the Christmas holidays then why did he time a litter that way?
20 weeks old, they would have been ready to go to their new homes at the end of October - thats not really Christmas puppies in my mind.
Indie was born at the end of September, even later than these puppies and was ready to come home at the end of November - I don't think of her as a Christmas puppy. I can understand if they were 8 weeks old a couple of weeks before Christmas but not if they were ready 2 months before Christmas :dunno:
He said the first 5 of the litter all sold relatively quickly, but these three didn't. I can only assume Xmas soon arrived and he didn't want to be selling 'Xmas pups'.
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I've only just seen this thread but after reading through all of it one thing sticks out to me. If he is an experienced breeder that didn't want to sell pups over the Christmas holidays then why did he time a litter that way?
20 weeks old, they would have been ready to go to their new homes at the end of October - thats not really Christmas puppies in my mind.
Indie was born at the end of September, even later than these puppies and was ready to come home at the end of November - I don't think of her as a Christmas puppy. I can understand if they were 8 weeks old a couple of weeks before Christmas but not if they were ready 2 months before Christmas :dunno:
He said the first 5 of the litter all sold relatively quickly, but these three didn't. I can only assume Xmas soon arrived and he didn't want to be selling 'Xmas pups'.
Yes I don't think its as easy to sell puppies these days due to the economic climate. I do like the look of the black ones, to be honest though I would be worried about their socialisation as they should have experienced virtually everything in the outside world by this time however the breeder may have done this.
Good luck with viewing the other litter.
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There are a good number of Cocker litters advertised over here and I'm not really surprised he has problems selling the last few - when we went to pick up our Maike the breeder hadn't sold any of her littermates. I love the wee bitch with the white markings, thank goodness I have my hands more than full with ours or I'd be really tempted to take a trip to Larne! :luv:
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There are a good number of Cocker litters advertised over here and I'm not really surprised he has problems selling the last few - when we went to pick up our Maike the breeder hadn't sold any of her littermates. I love the wee bitch with the white markings, thank goodness I have my hands more than full with ours or I'd be really tempted to take a trip to Larne! :luv:
Oh I didn't realise the breeder was on that list. :doh: To the OP, I'd just ring back with any concerns or questions you have, they look very nice puppies.
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There are a good number of Cocker litters advertised over here and I'm not really surprised he has problems selling the last few - when we went to pick up our Maike the breeder hadn't sold any of her littermates. I love the wee bitch with the white markings, thank goodness I have my hands more than full with ours or I'd be really tempted to take a trip to Larne! :luv:
Oh I didn't realise the breeder was on that list. :doh: To the OP, I'd just ring back with any concerns or questions you have, they look very nice puppies.
Jeanette, I thought he was the 2nd on the list but now I am a bit confused. Hopefully I didn't get the wrong end of the stick!
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There are a good number of Cocker litters advertised over here and I'm not really surprised he has problems selling the last few - when we went to pick up our Maike the breeder hadn't sold any of her littermates. I love the wee bitch with the white markings, thank goodness I have my hands more than full with ours or I'd be really tempted to take a trip to Larne! :luv:
Oh I didn't realise the breeder was on that list. :doh: To the OP, I'd just ring back with any concerns or questions you have, they look very nice puppies.
Jeanette, I thought he was the 2nd on the list but now I am a bit confused. Hopefully I didn't get the wrong end of the stick!
:005: Confused here too. Just looked at the photos and I'd snaffle the second from the bottom - he looks gorgeous. They don't look shy and retiring puppies. The only issue I can see here is whether they've been socialised outside the house at that age, only because nervous dogs could need a lot more training.
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Just googled the gentlemans name which is on the list and there is a judge with that surname showing up but the first initial is different - strange :-\ :-\
What was the first initial?
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It was L but having read some more of the posts on this thread I'm wondering if I've got the wrong breeder too ph34r
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Just googled the gentlemans name which is on the list and there is a judge with that surname showing up but the first initial is different - strange :-\ :-\
What was the first initial?
It was L but having read some more of the posts on this thread I'm wondering if I've got the wrong breeder too ph34r
L is the first letter of the chap's name who I met last night. :blink:
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If it was then he is definately showing as being a judge on google ;)
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Found another litter, but the breeder doesn't have DNA test results to show both parents are DNA tested for PRA and FN. If both parents are healthy dogs, does it really matter as much?
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Found another litter, but the breeder doesn't have DNA test results to show both parents are DNA tested for PRA and FN. If both parents are healthy dogs, does it really matter as much?
very much so in my opinion! A good, reputable breeder will do all he/she can to ensure good health for her dogs & pups she breeds ....for life :police: - health testing is just one way of trying to prevent illness & serious conditions .....if they can't be bothered to do it, when it is all quite straight forwards these days, then do they really care that much about the dogs they own or pups they are breeding :dunno:
My advice would be 'you can't rush a good thing' ;) Patience & a little bit more searching will, I sure, enable you to find a breeder who does put the well being of her dogs & puppies first.
good luck ;)
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Found another litter, but the breeder doesn't have DNA test results to show both parents are DNA tested for PRA and FN. If both parents are healthy dogs, does it really matter as much?
I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind if your puppy goes on to develop a hereditary disease that could have been prevented by DNA tests? Just because the parents look healthy does not mean they are not carrying recessive genes for PRA (causes blindness) and FN (kidney disease).
If you want to find out more about hereditary conditions in Cockers, you might to want to check out this page: http://www.thecockerspanielclub.co.uk/health.htm
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I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind if your puppy goes on to develop a hereditary disease that could have been prevented by DNA tests?
I hope you're not as patronising to your husband! :lol:
The last two posts have confirmed what I thought, sadly this is another litter I will have to dismiss. Hard work this dog searching malarky in NI!
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I don't know if you know,
but you are coming across
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I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind if your puppy goes on to develop a hereditary disease that could have been prevented by DNA tests?
I hope you're not as patronising to your husband! :lol:
Excuse me? You really are a hard man to give advice to (am guessing you must be a bloke from this comment) so will leave it to others from now on. Please note though, we don't tolerate rudeness on this forum, especially towards people who are trying to help!
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I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind if your puppy goes on to develop a hereditary disease that could have been prevented by DNA tests?
I hope you're not as patronising to your husband! :lol:
Excuse me? You really are a hard man to give advice to (am guessing you must be a bloke from this comment) so will leave it to others from now on. Please note though, we don't tolerate rudeness on this forum, especially towards people who are trying to help!
Oh come on, where's your sense of humour Jane! I'm not being rude, read the first line of your reply back and tell me it doesn't come across as patronising?
I very much appreciate all the advice I have been given on here, yours included.
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I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind if your puppy goes on to develop a hereditary disease that could have been prevented by DNA tests?
I hope you're not as patronising to your husband! :lol:
The last two posts have confirmed what I thought, sadly this is another litter I will have to dismiss. Hard work this dog searching malarky in NI!
Not patronising just common sense
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OK, I apologise if I came across as rude, I was merely poking a little fun at Jane but it seems that my sense of humour is the polar opposite of Jane's.
I stand by my comment though, I do think it was a little patronising to imply that it would only matter regarding the DNA tests if I didn't care that my dog got sick - if I didn't care I would hardly be on this forum to begin with.
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Found another litter, but the breeder doesn't have DNA test results to show both parents are DNA tested for PRA and FN. If both parents are healthy dogs, does it really matter as much?
Health tests are essential or you would not be looking for health tested dogs. Read your comment again and then ask why you got the response.
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I give up!
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I don't think people are being patronising towards you. I think you have answered your own question though,
"it would only matter regarding the DNA tests if I didn't care that my dog got sick - if I didn't care I would hardly be on this forum to begin with."
Well...DNA tests are how you can (to a certain extent) ensure your dog will be healthy. Therefore you need to see them to ensure you will have a dog not at risk of developing those health conditions.
And you do care whether your dog is healthy...so of course it matters. I think you answered your own question
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I give up!
Please don't give up .
Searching out this forum , registering and posting shows, in my opinion , you care what happens to your future addition . You can get so much advise not just now but after you get your puppy on behaviour training and future health.
Testing in cockers IS really important. As an incredibly popular breed the cocker has been profusely bred by unscrupulous breeders just for a fast buck and in order to make the most profit margin they don't follow the kennel club and British vet association guide lines for testing for these breed specific issues. which means that these eye conditions and kidney problems can pass through the lines so easily .
Even though the parents look healthy it dosnt mean the pups would be clear at all I'm afraid as I'm sure you know as you say you are still continuing your search . The kennel club do a link where you can be notified when the puppy list changes in your area and do list assured breeders and contact details . So you might like to make a few enquiries to see if they have any litter plans . Early bird catches the worm !
Good luck
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I give up!
Please don't give up .
Searching out this forum , registering and posting shows, in my opinion , you care what happens to your future addition . You can get so much advise not just now but after you get your puppy on behaviour training and future health.
Testing in cockers IS really important. As an incredibly popular breed the cocker has been profusely bred by unscrupulous breeders just for a fast buck and in order to make the most profit margin they don't follow the kennel club and British vet association guide lines for testing for these breed specific issues. which means that these eye conditions and kidney problems can pass through the lines so easily .
Even though the parents look healthy it dosnt mean the pups would be clear at all I'm afraid as I'm sure you know as you say you are still continuing your search . The kennel club do a link where you can be notified when the puppy list changes in your area and do list assured breeders and contact details . So you might like to make a few enquiries to see if they have any litter plans . Early bird catches the worm !
Good luck
Thanks Penguin.
I get a notification email when the KC website has new puppies registered on there for sale - so I'm hoping something comes up soon.
I spoke to a breeder the other day via email, and would you believe she hadn't even heard of the PRA and FN tests that I asked her about! Madness! :o
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Well that doesn't surprise me sadly. When my son took his young cocker pup to the vet for the first time last year and handed over the breeders birth to 8 weeks weight/growth chart together with proof that both the pups parents were PRA and FN tested, the vet nearly fell on the floor in a faint.
When we mentioned the same to the vet recently regarding ours the vet ( different vet, different part of the country) looked visibly stunned.
I fear there are clearly far more out there without than with :'(
Good luck. You are clearly committed to finding the right one so deserve to find one. Just give it time.
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Agree with Penguins87, don't give up! Good Luck!!!
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Just an after thought mcfly
You could try contacting the Cocker spaniel club of Ireland Www.cscoi.ie I'm sure if you call them to enquire about health tested pups someone would be able to help with respectable breeders around your neck of the woods. :D
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Just an after thought mcfly
You could try contacting the Cocker spaniel club of Ireland Www.cscoi.ie I'm sure if you call them to enquire about health tested pups someone would be able to help with respectable breeders around your neck of the woods. :D
Great shout! Thank you!
There is a listing section for breeders with pups available, I have emailed two of them who have advertised black pups, all of which have certs to show parents are PRA and FN clear - hope they have some left! :blink:
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really good to hear you are holding out for a great pup, good luck :lol:
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Sounds like you're getting somewhere now - good luck and keep us posted.
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Keeping my fingers crossed that there is a little black furbaby with your name on it ;)
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Sounds very promising McFly :blink: Please keep us posted!
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Thanks to Penguin's suggestion of checking the Cocker Spaniel Club of Ireland, I have found a breeder about 10 miles from me who has an all black 11 week old female pup, KC registered, DNA tested etc - £450. Going to view it tomorrow. :blink:
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Excellent news!keep us posted. Well done for keeping with it!
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Hope this pup is perfect for you :luv:
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Brilliant news! Keep us posted - you will soon become addicted to this site and wonder how you ever found any answers to anything in your life before you found it!!
Good luck for tomorrow.
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Wooo hooo!!! Let us know how you get on :blink:
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Everything crossed that this is the little one for you...
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Good luck :D
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Good Luck!! Hope she is the one :luv:
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I hope this is the one. This is worse than my mum trying to find a dress! :005:
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Good luck with the viewing; hope we'll be seeing another cocker baby on COL soon :D
PS I have learnt to temper my "humour" a bit here as what seems funny in my head doesn't always translate that well to the board, and I have inadvertently upset people a few times ph34r
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Good luck Mcfly
Fingers crossed and please keep us updated .
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I went to view the pup today and she was fantastic, such a difference in character to the pups I viewed last week, very much more confident and lively - whether that's a good thing or not is yet to be realised! :lol:
The breeder was top notch, she had countless Cockers about the place and was very obviously passionate about her dogs. All health tests in order, she showed me the 5 generation family tree certificate and I saw both mother and father.
Now I just need to sleep on it to make sure I'm not rushing in, which the breeder is happy with.
Few pics, excuse the poor quality but the wee buggers wouldn't stay still for a second! :lol:
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McFly....these are gorgeous pups...go for it :luv:
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Completely gorgeous - just like my Roxy when we got her at 10 weeks - I am sure you are doing the right thing :)
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OMG they are gorgeous :luv: not sure you will get much sleep tonight :005:
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Well all the best with your decision . Only you know if your truly ready for a new addition .
I cannot really take any credit for pointing you in the direction of the NI cocker club as I see Jane had already mentioned it on another thread to you. But whatever happens all the very best and I'll look forward to an update one way or the other .
Interestingly we always asked potential viewers of our puppies to go away and sleep on any decision, despite so many wanting to commit straight away . so your dead right to weigh everything up before such a huge commitment :D
All the best Pauline
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OMG how can you sleep on it - i would have said yes on the spot, but then again i have a soft spot for black dogs. They look very bright.
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Gorgeous pups, the 3rd one looks just like my Lottie at that age :luv: :luv:
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Gorgeous pups, the 3rd one looks just like my Lottie at that age :luv: :luv:
Is your Lottie show strain or working? Had a look at some of your pics there and she's a great looking dog...as is your most recent addition!
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They look stunning and full of beans ;) If I had viewed them i would have said yes there and then but thats just me letting my heart rule my head most of the time. Our Willow was lively from day one and confident and although she is blooming head strong at times she has a fab personality, not really afraid of anything. ;)
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They look gorgeous :luv: Please let us know your decision tomorrow.........waiting with bated breath :D
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Gorgeous pups, the 3rd one looks just like my Lottie at that age :luv: :luv:
Is your Lottie show strain or working? Had a look at some of your pics there and she's a great looking dog...as is your most recent addition!
She is mainly show but has a few working relatives on her dad's side, I was clueless when I got her :dunno: and had yet to find COL. I have been lucky as she is a lovely dog. :luv: Bet you won't sleep tonight lol :D Thanks for the comments by the way :blink: :blink: I do love my doglets :luv:
Have you decided on a name dare I ask? :shades:
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These are gorgeous puppies! :luv: :luv:
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Aw! Too cute! Glad you had better vibes/ info this time, know how frustrating it can be to find the right pup ;)
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Thanks folks, I'm starting to get quite excited, which isn't very common - so that's a good sign!
As for names - I am totally stumped! I want something that isn't too feminine if I'm being totally honest, I'll have to give it some thought! :blink:
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Glad it went so well today - I was a bit afraid that you wouldn't be as impressed by the breeder as I was and I would end up thinking I was letting a monster groom my poor doggies. How are you not going to take one, they are so gorgeous!!!
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What about Scout? I like that for a girl and it's not too girly.Llike Scout in To Kill a Mockingbird - she was a tomboy...if you dont get her think I will be getting a flight to Belfast tomorrow ;)
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Thanks folks, I'm starting to get quite excited, which isn't very common - so that's a good sign!
As for names - I am totally stumped! I want something that isn't too feminine if I'm being totally honest, I'll have to give it some thought! :blink:
made up for you Mcfly - really hope this turns out to be the pup for you ....... they do look pretty scrummy :004:
as for names ...are we allowed to make suggestions? :lol2: Raven & Luna are names I really like for black girls :luv:
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Name suggestions most welcome - thanks for the suggestions so far! :lol:
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how about Shadow ;)
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They are lovely looking pups! I'd have had one of those :luv:
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Oh Shadow is a great name for a cocker - little velcro dogs that they are ;)
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I love the name Indie for a girl.
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I love the name Indie for a girl.
That's a great name.
Also quite like Tasha, a bit feminine though. I have to bear in mind that I'm a bloke, and I don't want to be looking like a Louis Spence running through the park after my dog shouting something really really girlie! :lol:
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I love the name Indie for a girl.
That's a great name.
Also quite like Tasha, a bit feminine though. I have to bear in mind that I'm a bloke, and I don't want to be looking like a Louis Spence running through the park after my dog shouting something really really girlie! :lol:
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I love the name Indie for a girl.
That's a great name.
Also quite like Tasha, a bit feminine though. I have to bear in mind that I'm a bloke, and I don't want to be looking like a Louis Spence running through the park after my dog shouting something really really girlie! :lol:
I have an Indie :luv: OH didn't want a girly name for the very same reason :005:
I like Darcy for a black girl and Tiegan - means Little Princess which I'm sure she'll be :lol:
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Wouldn't even try to suggest names - I had a hard enough time choosing Coda :005:
It is pretty obvious you're a man cause a woman would have left with at least one of these stunning girlie's if not two or three :005: :005: :005:
Good for you not letting your head rule your heart and taking time to think it over ;)
Good luck with whatever you decide and remember - lots and lots of pics is a must :shades:
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How about Inca or Jet with them being black
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I love the name Indie for a girl.
That's a great name.
Also quite like Tasha, a bit feminine though. I have to bear in mind that I'm a bloke, and I don't want to be looking like a Louis Spence running through the park after my dog shouting something really really girlie! :lol:
Aww come on - my husband is a burly 6ft 2 guy but he has to call POPPY (our yorkie), JOSIE (springer x lab) AND SUKI when walking the dogs - I think he is secretly delighted he can now also call DEXTER as we finally have a male dog :005: :005: Doesn't matter what you are calling, so long as you are doing it with love!
Can't wait to hear if you get your pup and what name you finally choose :005:
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I like Kizzy for a girl.
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How COULD you have left her there :005: She is absolutely darling. I have a black cat called Tasha :D How about Xena - warrior princess, sort of girlie but also tough :shades:
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Shadow does seem to fit a velcro dog! :005: :005:
How about Inca Shadow?
I had an Irish Setter called Sadie - which my husband (ex now) never minded shouting!
You will probably change your mind on her name over and over again when you get her home - it took us 2 weeks going from Flo, Bailey, Maddi then me made up a name!
Pat x
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Shadow, Jet, Bramble or Cass/Cassi (as in the blackcurrant liquer Cassis) Tara maybe?
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I love Bramble for a black dog. Or how about something a bit old fashioned like Mabel or Jill? There's a lab that I know called Twig which is quite original. We had a black cat once called Snowdrop!
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Now you have slept on it are you going to give her a home?
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Mmmm, I wonder if no activity means he has gone to bring her home??? :banana: :banana:
Pat
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We could name her whilst hes gone :D What about Raven? or Pepper?
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Mmmm, I wonder if no activity means he has gone to bring her home??? :banana: :banana:
Pat
Yea I think hes gone to get her !!!! :banana: :banana:
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We could name her whilst hes gone :D What about Raven? or Pepper?
:005: :005: That would be good!
Bonnie Blue from Gone with the Wind!
Pat x
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C'mon Mc Fly, pleeeeze put us out of suspense............... ;)
Did you get her??? :luv:
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He's keeping us in suspenders! :005:
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Come-on McFly Where are you ? :shades:
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In suspenders here too ;)
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my money's on PAH. last minute frantic shopping en route to breeder....
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Hi folks - I have been out all day and only back to the house now.
I'm almost certain that I'm going to take her, I'm just being apprehensive about the dramatic change this is going to have on my life! :lol:
I won't be able to pick her up until Tuesday/Wednesday anyway, but I think I'll be contacting the breeder later today.
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Love all the name suggestions by the way - thanks! :blink:
Need to go and buy a crate, bed etc.
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YES YES YES :banana: Go for it McFly :banana: she will make a dramatic change to your life, (all good ) You`ll have a forever friend. :-* Get yourself to PAH and buy all these lovely puppy things you need, its sooooooo exciting puppy shopping.
PS you could call her Velcro (cos she`ll be stuck to you like velcro) even when you go to the toilet you`ll find her waiting outside the door for you :lol: :lol:
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Get yourself to PAH right now and get what you need :005: :005:
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When we got our little girl we didn't want anything too girly (OH felt the same about name shouting in the park as you do). But equally we wanted something that reflected the nature of cockers... so we called her Friday, after girl Fridays (the old school name for secretaries). And I have to say that it's not an exaggeration that they do follow you around EVERYWHERE! :lol2:
Can't wait to see some more photos of your gorgeous girl!
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Excellent news, I am sooooo pleased. Look forward to see all the photos of her growing up. Now, a name....................
Quest, as it has been finding her.................
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When we got our little girl we didn't want anything too girly (OH felt the same about name shouting in the park as you do). But equally we wanted something that reflected the nature of cockers... so we called her Friday, after girl Fridays (the old school name for secretaries). And I have to say that it's not an exaggeration that they do follow you around EVERYWHERE! :lol2:
Can't wait to see some more photos of your gorgeous girl!
:005: my friend just looked at me the other day when I used her loo and Darcy followed me in!
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What about bagel or moet, I do like quest.
Let's us know ppppplease..
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:cool4: :banana: yay!!! You won't believe how she will change you life ,for the better!!!! She looks gorgeous I've showed her pics to my whole family and it made us all broody :luv:
Enjoy the shopping trip, it's so exciting!!
I look forward to seeing her settling in pics and her hearing what name you've given her (Jet maybe cos she is black and it's not too girlie)
Any way have fun with her, they give you a reason to get up, come home and always raise a smile even on a bad day xx
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There is a lady by me with a spaniel bitch called Breeze, i think thats rather fitting for a lively dog which i am sure she will be. :005: :005:
They do change your life without a doubt. The first few weeks can be stressful but theres noting like coming home to the 'cocker dance' around your legs with a ball or toy in their mouths, so excited to see you :D That greeting first thing in the morning and the sheer excitement in the car when you take them to their fave walk. Those cocker cuddles when you are feeling down in the dumps, I wouldnt be without Willow she is a pupster of a lifetime and i love her soooo much.... :luv: :luv:
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McFly, she will be a very big commitment and will change your life. You are right to hold back if you have any concerns at all, there are to many puppies being rehomed.
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How about Midnight ;)
steffxxx
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marmite
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pepsi
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Tilly
Jess
when you think of a name remember that you will have to shout it when out and about so you will need to comfortable shouting it. Also, short names are easier to shout too and I've read easier for the dogs to respond to.
As soon as you get her photo's are a must right from day one so we can all get puppy broody :luv: oh and word of warning I had to sleep downstairs for a few weeks when we first got our two houndlings to make sure they settled and leant toileting fast, I took time off work to do this (but me and OH both work from home anyway).
BTW get this book as it is the bible for puppy training and puppy socialisation-
'Before and after getting your puppy'- Dr Ian Dunbar
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PS you could call her Velcro (cos she`ll be stuck to you like velcro) even when you go to the toilet you`ll find her waiting outside the door for you :lol: :lol:
You mean your stays outside the room? Oh to have a bath in peace without her wanting to get in! :005: :005:
You are right it will change your life exactly the same in some ways as the decision to have a child does. My OH was adamant he did not want a dog for the same reasons (cant just drop everything and decide to go away for the weekend, stay out all day together on the spur of the moment) the strange thing is, we never did those things anyway! :lol2: :lol2:
Jinley, even though she has been with us just 3½ months, has become part of our lives and we wouldn't have it any other way!
Good luck with your decision but remember even those grey dismal days that normally you would stay in on, you will learn to enjoy with your new buddy!
Pat
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are they look just like my Bobby did
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Jazz or Jazzi :cool4:
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I made the mistake of telling a few people I'm getting a pup this week, and I have been met with all sorts of comments, both positive and negative, but the negatives have struck a chord and has really given me cold feet. :huh:
I don't think I have underestimated the work and commitment involved with a dog, but I now have all sorts of doubts. I was planning on a trip to P@H tonight, but instead I am on here typing this and wondering what to do!
I never over analyse things and usually make spur of the moment decisions, but this is a big decision and I fear I am over analysing things now!
Confused of Belfast. :embarassed:
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Dear Confused of Belfast,
you are right to take a bit of time and think it over. It's a big committment, not one that we have regretted, but it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Good for you taking a bit of time out to properly consider it. Things will change, no doubt about it, so good that you are prepared for that and making a balanced sensible decision. If it's not the right time for you then fair enough. If you do decide to go ahead then the rewards are great. So take your time and make your choice.
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Confused of Belfast
Totally agree with previous message and the more research you do (which is great) the more confusing it all becomes!
Only you can make the decision and at times (very few) you will regret it for a minute or two. We have stopped thinking "we could have done that if we hadnt got the dog to think about" to "what new things can we do now we are lucky enough to have a dog". I meet new people on a regular basis and in the 4 months I have had Jinley have met and chatted to more people than in the 6 years I have lived in my house!
If you are undecided, do you have some friends who have a dog that could give you some advice? I seem to remember the ones who tried to talk me out of having Jinley were friends who did not have a dog, worked long hours and had a hectic social life! Because they didnt want one - they thought I shouldnt either! >:( >:(
The friends with dogs who I spoke to were the ones who said that their dogs had enriched their lives and were firmly seen as "one of the family".
You should be admired for taking your time - of course getting your puppy isnt the end of the decisions! What food / which vet / which insurance (very confusing that one) / best way to train will come next - oh and the compulsory activity and pictures on COL :lol2: :lol2:
Whatever decision you make will be the right one.
Pat
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What are the main doubts that you're having? It's normal to have jitters before getting a puppy - it's a massive commitment - but if you're having serious doubts then you're doing the right thing to think very carefully about it. There's no question that puppies are extremely hard work and having a dog will change your life hugely so if you're really doubting that you can/want to do this then you really need to think long and hard if it's really right for you for your sake and the puppy's. It would be easy for me to tell you that it'll all be fine and it's all worth it - for me it absolutely is, I grew up with dogs and can't imagine my life without them - but I'll freely admit that they are a tie and every day pretty much has to revolve around them and their needs.
I've just had a quick look through the thread and another thing I would say is that £450 is very cheap for a show Cocker puppy from health tested parents.
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I couldnt have put it better than patp and ejp myself. The week leading up to viewing Willow me and OH fell out as he got cold feet and he kept telling me what we would be giving up. When we met Willow our heart melted and we agreed to have her. then we had 3 weeks to wait, with that three weeks came mixed emotions....
Then when we had her it was heavy going to start with without a doubt....toileting every 30mins, puppy biting, her wanting to play with the things she wasnt surposed to. But with that puppy stage came joy as we took her on her first walk and she lost her teeth and she began sitting on command etc. It all seemed to fit into place. i was worried OH would resent it after him being off about it leading up to seeing her.
At Christmas when we were out with her he said to me he loves having a doglet and could not imagine life without her, we are both smitten with her and she has brought us so much joy. You do have to change your life a bit to suit but its sooooo worth it. Whatever you decide you will get support from COL.
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Thanks for the replies folks.
My concerns are:
1) Leaving pup alone when I'm at work - although 99% of the time this will only be 9-1, then 2-5pm. I'm home for lunch each day.
2) Possible barking when I'm not at home, potentially annoying my neighbour
3) From a selfish point of view, no more spur of the moment night/weekends away without some planning for doggy
I am fairly certain that all these things will be fine, and to be honest I am never far from home anyway and most places I go the dog could come too. The only other thing is that I am currently single and live alone in my own house - so I don't have a wife/girlfriend to help with all the doggy duties.
I am probably over analysing this, but I need to be certain before pulling the trigger.
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That does seem quite a long time to leave a puppy cocker as they love to be around people, this will also hinder any toilet training etc, were you hoping to take some time off with her when you first have her home? Willow is 13 months and we only leave her for 2 and half hours max although I am hoping to increase this soon. She was so hard to leave when we first had her and she would cry and bark and fret, the neighbours did mention it to me. We had to start leaving her 5 min, 10 mins etc. It was a few months in before i could even go out for an hour although as we were new to puppies I probably didnt do myself any favours doing it quite so gradually.
I did feel i needed OH's help with Willow but thats just my opinion, others might have found the experience different.
We never went abroad anyway and Willow likes to come camping with us and weve found some dog friendly b and b's.
Not over analysing, better to get all this sorted first. ;)
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That's really too long to leave a small puppy every day - the maximum recommended time to leave an adult dog without a toilet break is 4 hours and young pups can't go anywhere near as long as this. Have you got someone who could come in to break this up (friend, family, neighbour, dog walker etc.) and some time off at the start at least to get them settled in and used to being left for shorter periods? Leaving them for long stretches like this, apart from the lack of companionship for them, can make house training much more difficult.
I'm single and don't have any family nearby (they live in NI and I live in England) and it can be difficult. I'm lucky to have a lot of doggy friends here via work but going out for whole days/evenings and overnighters/weekends is difficult if not impossible without a lot of advance planning.
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Think it is normal to have cold feet, BUT it is big commitment to have a pup when there is just one of you.
Both myself and the OH work full time, although I am 5 mins from work and home for lunch. The OH does not come home during the working day. We have taken on 2 puppies in the last 18 months. The eldest Tia is now 17 months and our 2nd one Jake is now 4.5 months. We have been very lucky and having a week off when we first got the pups was all it took to get them into a routine of being left for up to 4 hours. I have to say though, I felt exhausted some days and barely seemed to get time to get my lunch when we first got Tia and again when we got Jake (but only a week or two with Jake).
OH is on a course away this week and it's very tying having a dog on your own, it is not fair at all to leave the dog on an evening when you have been at work that day (in my opinion) and we have a rule not doing this. I'm expecting to be totally cream krackered by the end of this week!
We do a mix of hols and weekend away now, some with the dogs and some without. You need to find a place you are happy to leave your dog, there are many kennels now which are not kennels as such and you dog lives with the people in their home. Our two go to a farm where they have a few dogs at a time, it does take some planning though and just having to say no to last minute things sometimes.
I hate to "rain on your parade" but it will be very hard work on your own with a puppy, but if you are 100% sure and totally committed you could make it work. Are you a very patient person? If you are not a patient person you may find it very difficult at times, puppies need lots of patience and again it's harder to be like that on your own (in my opinion).
I really hope you come to the right decision for you, it's great that you are thinking it over so well. If you are having serious doubts then maybe you need to give it a few months and see how you feel then?
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I agree wholeheartedly with Nicola's last post. 9 -1 and then 2 - 5 is just far too long to leave a puppy every day.
I'll be honest, if we left Amber (18 months old) for that long I'd expect the house to be wrecked. She wouldn't be being naughty, she'd just be bored and making her own amusement.
You will, as Nicola said, also have difficulties toilet training and socialising a pup if you leave him / her for that long every day.
Have you considered taking on an older rescue dog, who might better suit your lifestyle? This isn't an easy option, but they are often toilet trained and can get used to being left for longer periods of time. It still means getting up and spending time with your dog and walking him / her before you go to work and then coming in from work and doing the same again......
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Just to give you a comparison how my friends daughter coped with working and having a dog, and this was an older rescue..
She arranged doggy day care to collect the dog about an hour after she went to work and the dog sitter then kept the dog with her for most of the day returning him home just before she got on. Unfortunately, the first day, even in that short time and having worked upwards in leaving the dog, her kitchen was ransacked and one chair destoyed.. so she introduced the crate which worked in part. The dog sitter was excellent in having the dog overnight and weekends if she had to go way on business for the evening. The downside with this is of course the huge cost on a daily basis and unfortunately for her, the dog started to take out his anxieties on the other dogs in the dog sitters care and the arrangement broke down. This of course, need not happen with your new pup, the comparison being a rescue of unknown background.
Young pups are going to have accidents, do get bored and frustrated and the best of them can chew your most cherished possession whether thats the remote for the TV, your mobile phone or the brand new leather settee. We lost plaster off the walls and the internet cables with one of ours. Your clothes will inevitably have hairs on and suddenly the washing machine isn't the same without clothes coming out hairy than they went in because you forgot and washed their blanket.
Cockers do need a fair ammount of grooming and even if you are going to pay a groomer to do the main work, you still need time in between to brush and keep knot free, especially in weather like now when they are often wet and muddy.
The plus side, as a single person in a stressful job, was the solemate she could come home to and take out to unwind after work. However, this means walking very early mornings and after dark in the winter, cold wet nights when all you want to do is sit in the warm with a nice meal and a drink.
Soooo, does that phase you or are you prepared for your life to be changed for the next 15+ years?
Definately the best decision we made, but I can understand how some will find it too hard and hence so many young dogs end up in rescue. Our first boy was homed twice before we found him at 9 months old.
Good Luck in your decision, whatever it might be. I'm sure your potential pups breeder would rather you took him with your eyes wide open than find you couldn't cope and the pup had to be returned x
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Dont think you over analysing...you are being sensible thinking it all through.
Have to agree with the other members here that it is a long time to leave a pup on there own for when you at work. I took a week off when we got Tilly who is now 15 weeks old and I was exhausted to the point of tears at times as was doing most of the work on my own due to hubby's work commitments.
I had hardly any sleep the first couple weeks..out in the garden at all hours and each day seemed to be an everending routine of feeding toileting playing and back to feeding as well as trying to make sure the family were catered for :005:..think we ate microwaved meals for a fortnight.
I never really left her on her own for any length of time...10 mins max to nip to shop etc but gradually built it up to longer. Even yet due to our work pattern she is never left any longer than 90 mins. If we have to go out for longer or on a night i get my parents to doggy sit :005:
Also we do go abroad on holiday and having an older cocker as well as the pup the cost of us kennelling them is in excess of £300 for 2 weeks...so also takes a huge financial commitment also.
You are doing the right thing by weighing up everything before you become a puppy owner...it better that than regret her when she arrives.
Yes it hard work...but I find it very rewarding and love my babies to bits...would never be without them..they are my world
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i agree that leaving a pup for that long may cause problems, not least of all the puppy getting bored and eating the furniture. Cocker puppies are really hard work (in comparison to my other two dogs, Taz was by far the hardest puppy). I am lucky as my sons work different shifts so someone is at home most of the time, although i do all the walking. Getting up at 6 am everyday to walk them before walk is tiring, but i love seeing the world wake up, especially in winter when it is dark morning and evening.
There are loads of rescues out there. My colleague at work as just rehomed a 6 year old lab that was left 8 hours a day and never walked. He will now be left 2 x 4 hours (as your puppy will be) but i can guarantee he will get walked 2 - 3 times a day and lots more at weekends, including agility.
I think you are right taking your time to consider taking on a pup, and to be honest a little surprised that the breeder hasnt stated any concerns about the amount of time the pup will be left.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Only you really know deep down if your ready and I wonder if these concerns are your way of telling yourself you are over stretched . Puppies are such hard work .
personally I wld not have entertained a new owner who worked this long sorry. Cockers adore company and my girls wld be so unhappy alone for these hours . When you get home after such a long day or week a puppy need so much attention and devotion and you might just want peace and it ain't gonna work too well for either of you .. Maybe the timings not quite right .
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Lots of very valid points, I appreciate the honesty.
I'm going to sleep on it tonight (again!) :lol: and make a final decision tomorrow hopefully - either way I'm going to call the breeder to explain things, I don't want to leave her hanging on.
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Sorry but I have got to say think again...far too long to leave a puppy alone. I also am surprised that the breeder did not express concern over your working hours. I think this could be a recipe for disaster.
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My head is telling me that I should wait, obviously the old ticker is telling me to just go and get the pup. :lol:
Nevertheless, I think I have decided that now is not the right time. I'm planning on going in to our family business to take over from my Dad at some stage this year or next, so perhaps I would be better to wait until then. When I'm there the dog will be able to come to work with me.
This was a hard decision to make, and I'd like to say both a big thanks for all the advice I have gained here, plus a big apology for it all coming to nothing in the end. What I will say though is that without COL, I would have gone ahead and got a pup anyway.
Depressed of Belfast. :-\
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I think you have made the right decision. Well though out ;)
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I think you have made the right decision. Well though out ;)
Totally agree.
Your time will come, and be all the sweeter for waiting.
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Oh Depressed of Belfast, don't apologise. Sounds like you have made the best decision and there may be a better time for you in the near future to take on your pup. Good on you for your honesty and thinking it all through.
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Dear depressed of Belfast
Please don't be downhearted
as you have obviously thought
long and hard about your decision;
And your conclusion is that now is
not the best time,it's not a never,
so I would say "Well done" for not
letting heart rule head.
I've read of some CoL folk who
waited years for the time to be
right for them to get a dog,hopefully
that won't be your experience and
perhaps when your job changes that
will be the ideal time.
Also bear in mind you are now armed
with all the resources to locate the
pup you want when the time is right.
steffxxx
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My hubby and I only got our dogs when we were in a position to give them the attention they deserve. I wanted a dog for years but my husband was always away with the RAF and I was always working away from home for business so it was just not fair to have a dog while we were working this way. We both work from home now and our cockers have changed our lives massively, you have to plan everything around them, no more just popping away for a night, no more long lies in bed when it's pouring down at weekends.
It is a full time job having a puppy, they take all your energy for months as you need to make sure you give them hours and hours of socialising/training etc in the first year of life to make sure they grow into well adjusted older dogs. To leave a young puppy straight away while your working full-time is just asking for trouble and is it really fair on the pup.
I know how hard the decision is and I fully commend you for thinking about waiting until your work is more suitable for having a pup, we waited 15 years for our two bundle's of fur, and they are worth the wait. My hubby is self employed now and its great for the dogs so this will also be great for you too.
You know in the mean time have you thought about going to a dog rescue place and helping to walk the dogs waiting for a new home? You can then get to borrow dogs and still have your fix of spending time with the dogs but without having to comit full-time to owning one until you are ready? Also if there is a cocker walk in your area scheduled you can always go to that aswell and meet everyone elses cockers ;)
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:'( don't be depressed. It's not never, it's just not now. And I can think of nothing better than waiting and then being able to take the pup to work with you. Mine comes with me and I can highly recommend.
Please don't go away though, come here and tell us how things are going from time to time at least :D
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You have made a very sensible and responsible decision, well done to you. There are to many people that rush into things and it is so heartbreaking to see youngsters being re homed. Ollie was only twelve weeks old when we rescued him, the people who had bought him didn't consider the impact that he would have on their life. Again well done for thinking hard and fast and not letting you heart rule your head.
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Just think of the knowledge you have gained and when the time is right you'll be able to use this so that you'll be able to find the right cocker spaniel. Good Luck. Hope to be welcoming you back to COL in a year or so.
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I know you're a man... but am going to send you a big :bigarmhug: anyway. Its hard when you realise that something you really want is just still out of reach, especially when its as cute and snuggly as those pups :luv: But you've made the right decision I think for you and for the pup, consider it an even bigger incentive to go and and get involved in the family business asap ;) Am sure when the time is right you'll find the right pupster for you and you'll have a fab life together. Hope this isn't the last we hear of you on here ;)
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Well done you for taking your time to make such a difficult decision many puppies are bought in haste when people are on emotional highs .
you will know when the times right. you have proved that whatever dog is lucky enough to come to you will know how much you have considered it's future. Then you can have consistant quality time to grow and train together and enjoy each others company .
All the very best with the family business
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Being able to take a dog along to work is a world away from the hours you would be leaving it for now and sounds like a world in which any puppy would be very happy with. Wishing you every bit of luck for the future. :)
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Have to commend you on your decision...think it was the right one too. Lots of people rush into getting a cute puppy without the thought or the resources to see it through and then these poor dogs end up in rescue centres waiting for their forever family. This way when you do get your dog you will be fully armed with all the info and be in the right place to give a pupster a wonderful life and get the enjoyment/companionship you deserve.
Keep us updated as things progress
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Aaaw McFly under your present circumstances I think you have made the right decision :blink:
:bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
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I think you are doing the right thing Mcfly ;)
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Mcfly
Agree with everyone else re your decision - it must have been really difficult.
What I did for about 6 months before I made the final decision to have a dog was write down all the occasions that I would would be out for longer than 2 hours (unless at my local pub when she comes with me!), when I went away for a weekend and would I be able to take her with me?
I also tried to go for a walk twice a day, come rain or shine, feeling rough or not. Not for long and sometimes only round the block, but more to make the effort.
Use the next few months as a time to plan for a new start in the family business as well as your new addition. Keep in touch with the breeder and when the time is right you can ask if they are planning any litters.
Keep in touch!
Pat
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Pat makes some very good points. We didn't really have to consider these when we got Ruby as we have always had a dog (nearly 30 years together) so have always been used to having a dog to think about..... our working hours and leisure time (ie) nights/days out, weekends away holidays etc.
When the time is right I'm sure you'll know (and find your perfect pup) Good Luck :luv:
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Good for you, it's takes a lot to be honest enough with yourself and realise that the time is not quite right. Very easy to let your heart rule your head, and I admire you for making such a balanced decision. When the time is right, you will have already done your research and you will be well prepared, making for a much happier enviornment for you and the pup. Good call McFly.
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Some great advice on here, and lots of very nice posts too - thank you all very much. :blink:
I'm really disappointed, but I know it's for the best. I spoke with the breeder today and she was very understanding and agreed with my concerns, saying the time the pup would have been left alone was borderline too much.
The timing just isn't right for me - but I will definitely be getting myself a pup ASAP, and at least I have now found a good breeder, so when the time is right I can get one of her future pups.
I shall definitely be sticking around here despite not getting a pup right now, I still enjoy reading about other dogs and gleaning as much info as I can for the future. I also love looking at all the photos you all post up on the forum! :angel:
I'd just like to thank everyone who have contributed to this thread, you have all helped greatly in various ways. :blink:
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Forgot to say, the suggestion about helping at the animal rescue centre is a great one. I'm going to get in touch with ASSISI and see if they need anyone to help out - I'd be more than happy to take a dog home the odd weekend!
I'm also considering getting another cat, as my ex took poor old Dexter too! :lol:
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Best stock up on a nice new camera and get practising so you are ready to post plenty of pics for us all when the time comes :D :D
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Hi McFly, a cat may be a good idea. They are not as dependent on you as dogs, but are very affectionate and good company (I have 2 !!) Ruby certainly needs much more company/ time/ training/ walking and attention than the cats!
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Forgot to say, the suggestion about helping at the animal rescue centre is a great one. I'm going to get in touch with ASSISI and see if they need anyone to help out - I'd be more than happy to take a dog home the odd weekend!
I'm also considering getting another cat, as my ex took poor old Dexter too! :lol:
Cats are fab, I am slightly more into cats than dogs if I'm totally honest ph34r no flames please! Cats are the perfect pet, independent, not too demanding, you can go out all day and leave them, cuddly when it's cold and they are so clean! They also don't smell unless you have more than 3 in the house :005: That is if you like them :005: