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Cocker Specific Discussion => Puppies => Topic started by: Chezer on August 01, 2012, 09:59:06 PM
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Why is it in a litter of Cocker Spaniels that they are all different prices?????????
Like a chocolate Roan will be £80 more and a Black Cocker will be £50 less yet a blue roan rare sable will cost £1300! In fact why are Sable Cockers extortionate in Price??? They are still a Cocker Spaniel!
How much did you spend when buying your pup? My friend paid £1200 for a Sable that she now has with her at 7 weeks old!
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Never payed anywhre near that for my blue roan!!
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I have noticed this too, especially with the sables >:(
I don't see why pups from the same litter should all be different prices, but I guess some colours are more "desirable" than others :huh:
At the end of the day, I agree with you they are all cockers whatever their colour or gender
I paid the same for all three of my boys (from different breeders) and they are golden, choc and tan and a blue roan sable....as much as I love him, there is no way I would have paid £1300 for my sable...but if there are people out there that will pay that >:(, why would they reduce them
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Supply and demand!
Taz is show black and i only paid £325. I must admit I was a bit naive when i bought him and didnt realise it was necessary to have all the relevant tests - his dad wasnt KC registered either. However, i love him to bits and fingers crossed doesn't have any health problems.
Certainly wouldnt pay £1200 though
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They shouldn't be. Reputable breeders don't charge more for 'rare' colours - it's bybs and commercial breeders who tend to do things like this to cash in on the novelty value.
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I have paid £650 for my black show type. But I did notice when I was looking £1100 for a tri colour but the rest of the litter were £700.
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They shouldn't be. Reputable breeders don't charge more for 'rare' colours - it's bybs and commercial breeders who tend to do things like this to cash in on the novelty value.
Totally agree Nicola, but when I phoned up a well know Reputable breeder about a Chocolate cocker who was an assured breeder with those rosettes next to them and everyone highly recommends these breeders who have a very long waiting list and some people wait years to get a cocker from them they charge from £950 and upwards for a sable! obviously wasn't that much of a reputable breeder.
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You won't find any reputable breeder charging £1200+ for sable - this is not a rare pattern anymore and I'm afraid the only reason some breeders get away with asking these prices is because there are gullible puppy buyers willing to pay these huge sums, thinking they're getting something special when really they're not :( And just because someone is an Assured Breeder, doesn't make them reputable - there are plenty of "commercial" type breeders who are members of the ABS scheme. I'd also take any claims of people waiting years for puppies from such breeders with a pinch of salt ;)
As far as other price variations go, yes you will find different breeders charge different prices - it's inevitable. There's a rough average you can expect to pay for a KC reg pup from health tested parents but there are no fixed prices as individual breeders decide what they want to ask and it's up to potential puppy buyers whether they want to pay it or not. We've had lots of similar threads in the past on this subject - if you do a forum search, I'm sure you'll find past threads :blink:
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I phoned up practically everyone on champs dogs and kennel club and all of them charged over the odds apart from a few in wales who charged lower because the puppy was damaged in the eye from litter mates or In Scotland where they charged lower because it it wasn't registered.
Breeders who charge £1300 for a sable are ############
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I phoned up practically everyone on champs dogs and kennel club and all of them charged over the odds apart from a few in wales who charged lower because the puppy was damaged in the eye from litter mates or In Scotland where they charged lower because it it wasn't registered.
Not sure what you mean? Do you mean all the breeders you contacted asked more than you wanted to pay? If so, that's not "over the odds" - I'd say anything from £600-£800 is within the normal price range for a KC reg pup from health tested parents.
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Argg silly me I would expect to pay anything from £600 up to £800 and I had a budget of £850 top but they were charging more then that. The ones wanting over a Grand for a Sable tells me they love Cockers when they should say they love money! I do know that there are some good ones that charge the normal price.
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Argg silly me I would expect to pay anything from £600 up to £800 and I had a budget of £850 top but they were charging more then that. The ones wanting over a Grand for a Sable tells me they love Cockers when they should say they love money! I do know that there are some good ones that charge the normal price.
Ah so this was for a particular colour was it? I was thinking you meant all the litters advertised on CD or on the KC site were over-priced but forgot you were after a particular colour which isn't that common.
Yes it's hard to take any breeder's claim to love their dogs seriously when they are seemingly more interested in generating income from "rare" colours - if they weren't after the money, they wouldn't be asking such ridiculous prices >:(
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I'm in Scotland and paid £600 (the going rate at the time) for my liver roan four years ago, the exact same as all the other colours in the litter. Definitely would avoid anyone asking for different prices. We are cheaper in Scotland (or we were four years ago) and I'm not sure why x
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I've also seen people quoting different prices for bitches (more, given that you can then have puppies from them and make money as a byb, presumably).
I was quoted £850 for a blue roan bitch, 1/4 working 3/4 show where the dam hadn't been FN tested (and breeder avoided my question about it) - the quote was given after I'd expressed an interest in one of the pups and she'd seen the car my mum drives parked outside (!) and she hesitated when we asked and then came up with "£850" - I guess she'd sized us up and our interest level and then come up with that extortionate figure - what she thought we'd pay! Needless to say I didn't take one of her pups and found a pure show-type a couple of weeks later; he's a blue roan male and I paid much less than that and he has fully-health-tested parents. No strange price for "rare" colours or being a breedable bitch. I assume the rest of the litter was the same price.
I have seen some websites for reputable breeders saying that they have increased their prices to £850 as they're passing on the cost of the increased burden of health testing to the purchase price of the puppies. Others obviously see it as a necessary cost prior to breeding their bitch (in order to breed healthy pups) and it just comes out of any profit they make.
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Yes just sables , but there are other colours like take me I was looking for a chocolate cocker and because of that they charged more. Im so glad I can stop looking for cocker pups now as I was shocked by byb! I agree with you about breeders claims on loving their dogs when their clearly after money. Grrr
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One breeder I was originally looking at charged £150 extra for bitches. She also could not tell me the health status of both parents and she was advertising show cockers but you could clearly see they were from working stock. Obviously trying to take advantage of people who had not done research into the breed and make a quick buck too
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One breeder I was originally looking at charged £150 extra for bitches. She also could not tell me the health status of both parents and she was advertising show cockers but you could clearly see they were from working stock. Obviously trying to take advantage of people who had not done research into the breed and make a quick buck too
Hmmm, maybe that's where the £850 came from - I didn't ask what she charged for the males. She has also advertised as show and I could see the mum was half-working as soon as I saw her. Lucky me for knowing the difference, but I'm sure plenty of people don't and end up with slightly different dogs than they'd expected.
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I have seen some websites for reputable breeders saying that they have increased their prices to £850 as they're passing on the cost of the increased burden of health testing to the purchase price of the puppies. Others obviously see it as a necessary cost prior to breeding their bitch (in order to breed healthy pups) and it just comes out of any profit they make.
Breeders that say that aren't what I call "reputable" - if you are a responsible, ethical breeder, profit does not come into it and you certainly don't expect your buyers to subsidise you for the tests any good breeder should regard as essential if you want to do your best for your puppies! Can't believe the cheek of some breeders..........
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I paid 750 for each of my boys almost 4 years ago. Our latest little blue roan is 650. :luv:
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I paid 720 for our orange roan show cocker
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Why anybody would actually PAY £1300 for an undesirable sable colour is beyond me :huh:
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£550 for Blue roan Riley, fantastic breeder too.
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It's crazy isn't it, how people charge all those different amounts. The first lady we got in touch with was charging extra for the blue roan dog, that among other things rang alarm bells for us.
Our little Luca cost us £700 which I think is about average. Both parents health tested, KC registered, wormed, chipped, vaccinated, came with pack and food, and all pups in the litter the same price. Even our little choc roan which is an unusual colour, and the choc and tans.
Doesn't imply ethical when breeders start chopping and changing the amounts!
My boyfriend's brother and wife live in Sweden and 3 years ago they bought a show type black cocker bitch and they paid the equivalent of £1000! They don't even know if parents were health tested etc etc.
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I have seen some websites for reputable breeders saying that they have increased their prices to £850 as they're passing on the cost of the increased burden of health testing to the purchase price of the puppies. Others obviously see it as a necessary cost prior to breeding their bitch (in order to breed healthy pups) and it just comes out of any profit they make.
I have seen that on a breeders website,possibly the same one. :shades:
As Jane says there are still commercial breeders under the KC ABS which i didn't realise when i was looking for Ruby but the more research you do the more knowledge you get and knowledge is the power to make an informed and hopefully right choice.
Ruby was £650 four years ago.
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£500 for Charlie.
When I was looking £450 - £600 was the average price I'd found.
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Here in Oz $800 to $1000 ( that's 530pounds to 660pounds) for a well bred show cocker .... Don't know about sables never seen one in real life or for sale. Have noticed that liver colored charge more, and there's only a couple if breeders who have liver here, again never seen one in real life.
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£700 for Madoc 2 weeks ago. He's KC reg with fully health tested parents & all the litter were the same price. There were only 3 pups in the litter, born by C section and the breeders kept one themselves. They certainly wouldn't have made any money out of them!
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Hugo was only £300, always worth haggling a bit! Cockers seem generally reasonably priced compared to the £2300 my step sis has just splashed out on an english bulldog!
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we payed £550 for Alfie which i found to be average (in scotland) although i did find it difficult to find a good breeder in scotland seemed to be a wider choice in England which we were gong to travel but the Alfie poped up just 15mins from were we live, he was the last one left and fell in love with him instantly!
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Hugo was only £300, always worth haggling a bit! Cockers seem generally reasonably priced compared to the £2300 my step sis has just splashed out on an english bulldog!
I think the big price of bulldogs is because of the small litters they have, just like westies here $2000 plus and with all the allergies and health problems they have, just like English bull dogs lots of health problems.... So bigger purchase price, bigger ongoing expense
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Rosie was only 300 as well but i think they are cheaper here in ireland the parents where tested and she was KC registered microchipped and vaccinated :D
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Bingley was £700.
TBH i'm not sure I would want to haggle down a price for my dog. Reputable breeders do the best they can for their puppies, and will price appropriately. I wouldn't want to try and undercut them. Just my personal feelings
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Hugo was only £300, always worth haggling a bit!
:o Sorry but a Cocker puppy isn't like a second hand car where you haggle over the price ph34r I don't know of any decent breeder who would "haggle" with a potential new puppy owner - those that are willing to lower their price are I would guess quite desperate to sell.
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Does anyone know the average price of a cocker in the USA? My parents, who live in the States, have started looking at getting one and the few breeders they have come across so far want $1500. I think they're a lot harder to come by, which might be reflective of the price, but it seems like a lot to me!
Sorry to hijack the thread...
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Bingley was £700.
TBH i'm not sure I would want to haggle down a price for my dog. Reputable breeders do the best they can for their puppies, and will price appropriately. I wouldn't want to try and undercut them. Just my personal feelings
Exactly. A breeder puts in a lot of dedicated hours rearing the litter, and also has vet bills to pay with respect to each pup.
A good breeder is worth his/her weight in gold. :luv:
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we payed £350 for arnie seven and half years ago,i must admit he did come from a puppy farm which we did not know at the time i will be more carefull next time ,yes the place where he came from was on the news but we love him to bits i would pay a lot more next time
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we payed £350 for arnie seven and half years ago,i must admit he did come from a puppy farm which we did not know at the time i will be more carefull next time ,yes the place where he came from was on the news but we love him to bits i would pay a lot more next time
Sounds like he is a lucky little boy Bev....having such a loving home. Xxx
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thank you our friends got arnies sister as well,he is hard work ,but i love him to bits,i have looked on the internet where we got them from and it said they had hundreds of dogs but when we went to him they had the mum and dad and all the pups it was clean we did not know but at least we saved 2
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thank you our friends got arnies sister as well,he is hard work ,but i love him to bits,i have looked on the internet where we got them from and it said they had hundreds of dogs but when we went to him they had the mum and dad and all the pups it was clean we did not know but at least we saved 2
Precisely....they were the lucky ones. For all the bad stories we hear, there are the good ones from people like you. Xx
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The parents of that sable roan are blue roan and tan and chocolate roan so how they got 2 sable roan is anyones guess, they charged £850 for the boy so there is a £500 difference :-\.
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We paid £295 for our liver and white Oreo. Granted niethier of her parents were kc reg. The lady who we bought her off gave us copies pedigree papers going back 5 generations on the mothers side and 4 on the fathers and made sure we were suitable owners having already turned down people. She was quite happy to let us visit several times to get the kids used to the puppies unlike other "breeders" who were quite cagey and weren't happy for the kids to come in. When we picked Oreo up we felt like we were stealing her at the price. ;)
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Does anyone know the average price of a cocker in the USA? My parents, who live in the States, have started looking at getting one and the few breeders they have come across so far want $1500. I think they're a lot harder to come by, which might be reflective of the price, but it seems like a lot to me!
Sorry to hijack the thread...
American cockers are much more common in the USA, I guess the english cocker which is completely different would be more expensive to be honest.
There are a couple of americans on here, maybe they could advise you.
One is from Florida and Im sure he said he had to travel and it was quite rare to get his cocker.
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Bingley was £700.
TBH i'm not sure I would want to haggle down a price for my dog. Reputable breeders do the best they can for their puppies, and will price appropriately. I wouldn't want to try and undercut them. Just my personal feelings
Exactly. A breeder puts in a lot of dedicated hours rearing the litter, and also has vet bills to pay with respect to each pup.
A good breeder is worth his/her weight in gold. :luv:
Definitely, Maureen.
I think once you have realised there is an 'average' price or pretty constant price range, I would be wondering why some 'breeders' choose to sell their puppies for significantly more or less than this. I wouldn't feel comfortable with it.
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Hugo was only £300, always worth haggling a bit!
Sorry but if anybody tried to 'haggle' the price of one of my pups, they would be shown the dog - and promptly! >:D
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Does anyone know the average price of a cocker in the USA? My parents, who live in the States, have started looking at getting one and the few breeders they have come across so far want $1500. I think they're a lot harder to come by, which might be reflective of the price, but it seems like a lot to me!
Sorry to hijack the thread...
English Cockers are harder to find in the US, but nearly all the breeders of them are well known and very respected so they can command the price based on the quality of their dogs. The cost of a puppy is also determined by the cost of health tests and the pedigree of the dog. Besides the usually tests, it's becoming more common in the US to test for hips, elbows, and patellas in Cockers, which I don't think is done very often in the UK. Most breeders in the US won't even think of breeding their dogs until they've gained their championships or are very close to. Many US English Cockers breeders also title their dogs in obedience, hunting, or tracking as they are very set on breeding for the "whole package". When a breeder has done all the required health tests and more, and are breeding from titled dogs with excellent pedigrees then you can expect a higher price. Most English Cocker puppies from respected US kennels go for $1200. In my search for an English Cocker puppy I never saw any pups for $1500 and I would grill the breeder about that price, though the price I listed is what is what one would expect for an East coast puppy. Price differences could vary by region.
That being said... there are a few "pet" breeders in the US who do ask for ridiculous prices. These breeders usually have recent imports from pet breeders in Europe as no reputable breeder in the US is willing to sell them a pet quality Cocker that they know will be bred from. These US pet breeders usually ask for far too low a price or far too high.
I believe the American buyer had to drive to Florida, because they specifically requested an undocked puppy. Breeders that breed for the US conformation ring will always dock the entire litter as it is difficult to see which puppy will make for a good show prospect at the young age that is required for docking.
If your parents are still looking I can message you and get you in contact with some breeders in the area they're looking in.
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When I got my sable American cocker, he was the same price as any of the others in the litter (black/tan, sable parti). My breeder was however offered £1000 for him by someone else and many other breeders advised her to charge more for the sables in the litter... which she refused! :D So not all breeders are the same in that respect. ;)
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If so, that's not "over the odds" - I'd say anything from £600-£800 is within the normal price range for a KC reg pup from health tested parents.
I'd agree with this, I believe it is a fair and reasonable price. Too "cheap" and you wonder what they have econimsed on, health test, feeding etc, too expensive and they are in it for the money.
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We paid £650 for Dennis, which was £50 less than for bitches. I think its a fair price, though have heard less and heard more expensive
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I would focus more on the breeding than colour.
I can understand that a KC pup with a full KC history can make a massive difference to the purchase price, but wouldn't have thought that colour would reflect such a variance in price.
My little "Black Beauty" cost £250 less than a chocolate pup we looked at but my puppy was bred from excellent stock and the proof is in the breeding.
Mel.