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[Mudmagnets]

Seems to me we are all going round in ever diminishing circles here, if you swear and shout at your pup and family in the tone you used in your post, it is no wonder nobody is listening.(not even Ollie bless him) You have been given so much good and friendly advice on here, but seems it is all being met with negative responses. Not a lot more I can say really except, Good Luck little Ollie - your gonna need it me thinks  

[SkyeSue]

I'm really sorry to hear how difficult things are for you and Ollie.  I won't berate you for swearing, it just proves how upset you are and it seems to me you're crying out for help.  You have had a lot of good advice from members on here (I've benefited from it myself!) but I can see that your family situation is really not a good one for Ollie or for you in your attempts to train him. I don't have any answers I'm afraid - I thought SimonandMandy's post was very appropriate though, and I would reiterate everything said in it. Just one thought though, have your family seen all the things you and others have written on here? I'm not sure whether it would cause more problems, or perhaps would shock them into realising how bad things really are and how upset you're feeling?

[Coco]

OK, we all get angry, frustrated and swear. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and start again with a clean slate. You could be at risk of losing him here and I'm sure you don't want that.

Have a think about what everyone has said. Make some notes and an action plan.
First of all, do you have any friends with dogs that you can do a bit of socialising with if you can't afford/access puppy parties?
Use rewards for good behaviour, ignore bad behaviour though a low voiced 'No' IMO can be used. Others  
Don't expect too much too soon. Work on the important basics, good manners such as sitting and waiting, recall etc. Who needs a dog to roll over anyway  
Establish trust, pats and lots of 'good boy' when he does well, don't over excite him or distract him too much though.
Can you schedule some walk and training time into your day. Training can be part of the walk. I.e sitting and waiting to cross the road, recall. It doesn't have to be obvious 'training time' but just think about how everything you do with him now is a lesson. 3x 15 mins a day is much better than a full 45 mins once a day.
Don't worry about where he should be with commands, so long as he is behaving acceptably you're doing well, there is no set progress chart to say he is achieving or failing. All dogs learn at a different rate. (My dogs won't 'lie down' for love nor money because i've never really seen the need to train them to do so, it's just not something I feel is important)
Finally, remember not to send him mixed messages. Don't play tug and chase if you want him to give you things and come back when called.

This maybe wrong and I'm sure someone will come and correct it (Mark??) but IMO you don't need to be tough and have high expectations of what he has learned so long as he and you are happy that he is behaving. 

All dogs have their quirks, barking, s*dding off, pulling on lead, that need intensive work to correct and some will never stop but if you can get to a stage where he trusts you and wants to please you and be with you then you can have a happy relationship.

If your family aren't willing to do what you see fit it's down to you. Just make sure that what you see fit is correct first. Compromise is key.

Good luck

[Oliver21508]

You'll all be pleased to know that I think the talking to to my parents has worked. They had time to cool down and think what I said through. We now have a list of commands that we will all use on the fridge, in case people forget, and I've given a demo on the sofa thing, which he picked up suprisingly quickly. We have a cup of treats by the sofa, so that everyone uses them. I have told them what to do to if Ollie barks. I've told my parents to leave the room in which he is in, and close the door, so that the barking will not hurt their ears so much. Just a question about barking, is there different sorts and do you deal with them in different ways? Like I know his attention bark, and I walk away, but he does have a power bark (like he's trying to scare you off, which hopefully won't happen anymore with our more positive training methods, as he only did this bark if we told him off), what should we do? Like if we are on the sofa, and he wants to get on, and we won't let him, he'll do the bark. Is walking away the best thing to do in this situation?

I hope we have turned a corner. We are going to ask about training classes at our vets on Monday, so hope something comes out of that. Ollie's brill with the obediance stuff, such as sit and wait, just the stuff in the house and boundaries (but he's a boy, men don't usually follow rules. )

ETA: And I have put a video of Ollie training a month ago, and he ain't bad, and he's much better now.

[bluegirl]

But why should I? They don't care, so why do I have to do it all?

Because as I see it if he becomes too naughty (for your parents) he'll have to go and if you're a minor you'll have no say in the matter.

[Coco]

Good news, hopefully you'll all keep it up Ollie can progress without confusion and you can all feel happier as they pick up on it if you aren't.

[Hurtwood Dogs]

I'm glad things have cooled off between all of you.

Vets may run puppy socialisation classes (not training classes just invite all their pups in to socialise with each other). But they generally wont recommend trainers although they may be able to give you a list of trainers some of their clients use but they are not always the best place for advice on dog training (there have been lots of posts on here about bad behavioural or training advice from vets). Vets are trained in general animal medicine and don't always take their knowledge further to behaviour and training.

You need to find an ADPT recommended trainer but it can be a bit of a mine field. I had a brilliant one with my last pup who came to my house for a couple of hours then I started puppy classes with her. I've owned and trained my own dogs for 8 years but I STILL turn to trainers and behaviourists when I have problems and sometimes you need different trainers to best advise you on different dogs/issues also - so bear that in mind.

Can you let us know what area of the country you are in (PM me if you like) and when I've got a bit of time later on this weekend I'll trawl the web and see if I can find some that 'look' good but you will still need to chat to them all and make your own mind up about them.

It is good asking for advice and other people's experiences on here but at the end of the day you REALLY need a proper positive reward based trainer to come into your home and see the situation and advise on that. You've mentioned the sofa issue again and personally I wouldn't be letting him on the sofa at all at the moment as pups can get confused as to what they are and aren't allowed to do if you approach things with an 'invitation only' method at the moment. Dogs DON'T think like humans and generally they are not being naughty they are just trying to work out how to fit into your alien human family and have a nice life too - try and remember that rather than see it as him disobeying rules - if you've let him do it once he's not going to understand why he can't do it at other times.

Be clear and consistent and keep it VERY simple at the moment. As he calms down and grows up things will get easier and you can relax things a bit but right now poor Ollie is no rocket scientist he's a baby dog and doesn't 'get' human thought processes or emotions.

Hannah x

[little_jack]

I cant really give advice/comment on what has been said, since Jack is my first, so I really dont have the experience. After reading through all this post though, I just wanted to say Im glad you have turned a corner. I cant believe the difference in Jack from 16 weeks to 19 weeks. At 16 weeks I really thought I was never gonna cope/ manage, he spent most of his time in 'time out.' Then the other day I suddenly realised that he is hardly ever in 'time out' and my hands/arms/ legs/ clothes, are no longer covered in bite marks. Im sure that the same thing will happen for you, and you will just know it was worth all the stress and frustration because you will have a gorgeous little dude that you cant live without  

Kayli

[SkyeSue]

Coco's advice sounds really good to me. I'm so glad that things are a bit better...now you ALL have to work on the things that you have agreed to..be consistent and invest the time required to get the results you (and your family) want.
Best of luck
Sue

[Helen]

But why should I? They don't care, so why do I have to do it all?

Do it for Ollie

perfectly put Sarah