Do you lift your dog by the scruff of their necks?

[Oliver21508]

Why do you have to lift them over fences?

[Joules]

Why do you have to lift them over fences?

Because they can't jump that high? 

Re CM, his methods seem aimed more towards making the dog totally submissive rather than under control 

[Oliver21508]

But I mean, when do you have to get over high fences like that?

[Beth]

But I mean, when do you have to get over high fences like that?

  when you're a country bumpkin like lots of us

[Joules]

But I mean, when do you have to get over high fences like that?

They are not that high - sometimes there is no other way through on a footpath eg if there is a stile and no gaps in the fence, then you need to help the dog over    If there is another way then Coco just gets through herself  

Re the OP, I don't do this with Coco - I lift her under her tum like the princess she is  

[bluegirl]

I don't like or do scruffing. I've seen someone scruff their dog and carry it it the air and throw it down on the floor to get the point across that they should stay when asked to stay and not creep forwards.

I always put one hand under tummy and one under bum and lift (except in the cow field when I just flung them over the fence by their leads but that was an emergency situation).

Penny sometimes asks for "lifties" onto the bed or chair and it that case I put my hand at the back of her head and she leans into it and hoists herself up, Bronte does it too.

[SJP]

.... (except in the cow field when I just flung them over the fence by their leads but that was an emergency situation).

Blimey......what happened?

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

I don't like or do scruffing. I've seen someone scruff their dog and carry it it the air and throw it down on the floor to get the point across that they should stay when asked to stay

Surly there is a big difference between a dog being lifted by the scruff of his neck with support and it being used as part of a punishment? 

[emderpenguin]

Surly there is a big difference between a dog being lifted by the scruff of his neck with support and it being used as part of a punishment? 

I agree, there is a HUGE difference between supporting a dog and draging it up or around by the scruff of the neck.

[Crazy Cocker Gang]

I see comparing scruffing for punishment to scruffing for lifting the same as comparing the relaxed down and a alpha roll.
Its no where near the same thing

[*Lucy*]

To the CM fans, watch THIS clip very carefully.

and take a look at THIS thread.

OMG!!  No wonder the poor dog reacted like that!! Plus from what I can see the dog is only pulling/jumping to get itself out of that awful lead that is around its head/neck! 

[Jay06]

Surely there is a big difference between a dog being lifted by the scruff of his neck with support and it being used as part of a punishment? 
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Totally agree with this statement. Obviously as with everything in this world people have different views and opinions on things and mine is if there's no other way to lift Bailey oversomething then this is a suitable alternative as long as he's he's not been lifted in the air and shook/dangled or slammed to the floor and 'dominated' 

[LurcherGirl]

No, I don't do it normally if there are other ways of moving a dog. However, I have recently had to lift Jesse out of deepish water because he fell in and couldn't climb out again... lifting him out by the collar would have been a lot more uncomfortable than being lifted by the (ample) scruff!

I would say it also depends on the breed. With our lurchers, I would never dream of scruffing them for anything as they just don't have enough skin for it and it would hurt them. In a situation like the one with Jesse, I would have to pull them out by the collar. Our pyrenees on the other hand has so much skin around his neck, he probably wouldn't even notice if he was scruffed... 

So in a nutshell, no, I wouldn't use it as a default, but in some situations and with breeds that have lots of scruff, I wouldn't consider it cruel.

Vera

[Coco]

Yep I do, often in the way you've described. It's common for cockers when they're working to lift them over an obsticle in this way. And if the fence is barbed it'll be a hand under the bum -ish to take the weight. Wherry is very used to being scooped lke this with an arm under her belly as Ex onlt has one hand it's the only way to quickly get her out of a situation of over an obstacle.
I'd not pick them up and carry them around like it obviously.

The only time i'd pick them by the scuff with out supporting them with the other hand is if they were in danger and I couldnt reach them any other way. I'd rather that than they got carried down a river, tried to jump barbed wire etc.

[Nicola]

I don't like or do scruffing. I've seen someone scruff their dog and carry it it the air and throw it down on the floor to get the point across that they should stay when asked to stay

Surly there is a big difference between a dog being lifted by the scruff of his neck with support and it being used as part of a punishment? 

Lifting a dog briefly by the scruff to get them over an obstacle is not the same thing as grabbing a dog by the scruff and shaking it or carrying a dog dangling by its scruff and then throwing it to the ground   Nobody on here is asking if or suggesting that that is an acceptable thing to do at all; they're two completely different things.