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Offline Max10

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2010, 01:29:33 PM »
thanks Sarah & black Taz, you know BT it was really my observation of the dog he really just growled and barked when we came in and when we came back in actually he didnt, i petted him but have to say looking back when he growled we were standing in a circle and he was in the middle i do remember thinking he probably feeling a bit intimidated as we were in quite a confined space, i quized the owner and another member of the family and they both said he was a lovely dog and they love him to bits, i said straight out is he aggressive and the reply was no, there was young children around too so i am probably just over sensitive as I had heard that golden cockers are more proned to be a little more aggressive, so I will have my research done if needs be, i did own a black cocker and he was adorable such a nice gently dog!!

I just cant wait to take him home :D

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2010, 01:50:34 PM »
WOW ok alot of strong opinions thanks to everyone, well i am now in a terrible situation i thought it was the way your rare your pup setting boundaries, training etc the pup i picked was so placid so i am hoping he got his mother's temperment, I have committed myself now so no going back..... he was just growly i suppose ...well wish me luck i have, as one person say not many get to see both parents etc the mother was gorgeous lovely temperment....i have had all sorts of breeds in past and I dont tolerate aggressive behaviour even as a pup so I do plan on training him and making sure i give him best possible start....i am from Ireland and there is no DNA testing here - now i could be wrong.... but the family love their dogs etc

thanks again for all your replies!!  :blink:

I wish you good luck with your puppy.  :D 
With the health testing for PRA & FN it shouldn't make any difference where the breeder lives though  :huh:  the bloods/saliva have to be sent to USA & France for testing.  :shades:



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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2010, 05:16:04 PM »
Haven't had time to go through all the posts but just to reiterate - there is no evidence that solid pups are prone to being more aggressive than particolours and in my personal experience, my solid gold was the most trustworthy kind dog whereas my blueroan as a pup (the calmest in the litter when I chose him ;)) needed very careful handling as he was prone to guarding and quick to respond with aggression in situations that worried him. He is a very very sweet dog today because he's been handled carefully and positively - I couldn't say 'no' to him as a pup without a full on nasty attack but today aged 3 he's sweet and gentle and I trust him with my two young children.

If you are committed and going ahead then please do lots of reading on how to positively handle any aggressive pup behaviour because mostly it can be managed and trained out of a feisty pup IF they are handled correctly, positively and kindly. Going head to head with an aggressive pup and trying to 'dominate' it won't give you good results. Please don't listen to or believe the 'gold cocker rage' gossip... it's not true and mostly bantered about by people who've never owned a cocker let alone a gold one and you never hear good dog trainers talk about it, as it's a myth. Any puppy that's bullied can become aggressive. Cockers have a lot of spirit and lots of them don't take kindly to being 'dominated' so are prone to fighting back and people that have little knowledge or empathy, label that as rage when it isn't - just an abused dog IMO.

True rage is incredibly rare and often happens in a dog that generally seems fine but periodically will suddenly flip out with no reason and become very distressed and aggressive... Owners of dogs with genuine rage often say that the dog doesn't seem to realise what it's doing and is almost in a world of its own and then afterwards is disorientated and exhausted. Aggressive behaviour is different to this and often caused by poor handling through the puppy years and beyond, although genetic temperament may also aggravate the problem.

Good luck if you decide to go ahead and please post on here if you have any concerns as there is always lots of help available and a great wealth of cocker experience! :D

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2010, 05:28:23 PM »
....i am from Ireland and there is no DNA testing here - now i could be wrong.... but the family love their dogs etc


That is not the case, I'm from Ireland and there are vets there who carry out BVA eye screening and DNA testing can be done regardless of where you live as you have the samples taken by your own vet and then send them off to America (for PRA) and France (for FN). My male dog had his blood samples taken and sent off for DNA testing and his hips scored when we were in Ireland staying with my parents a couple of years ago.
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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2010, 07:41:49 PM »
thanks hurtwood dog for your advice, I will take it on board...


thanks guys for all your comments  I will take all your advice on board...

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2010, 08:20:30 PM »
I don't have any advice to offer as such, though I do agree with Black Taz with her suggestion you go back and see pup again - it will be good for pupster to get to know you a bit anyway, and it might help allay your fears?
Best of luck with him and please post piccies!  :luv:

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2010, 08:33:40 PM »
I don't have any advice to offer as such, though I do agree with Black Taz with her suggestion you go back and see pup again - it will be good for pupster to get to know you a bit anyway, and it might help allay your fears?
Best of luck with him and please post piccies!  :luv:

I will LinzB he will only be 7 weeks so cant wait to see him, think the answers got a bit confused along the way the puupy i chose was really friendly sure it is only 5 weeks now!!


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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2010, 10:30:09 PM »
There are a few warning signs here such as, they own the sire and dam and they don't health test, it also appears that they let you visit at 2 weeks and you are taking him home at 7 weeks  :-\.
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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2010, 11:00:27 PM »
There are a few warning signs here such as, they own the sire and dam and they don't health test, it also appears that they let you visit at 2 weeks and you are taking him home at 7 weeks  :-\.

I have to agree with this. I certainly wouldn't be happy getting a puppy from this sort of set up.....  :-\

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2010, 11:47:54 AM »
If you dont mind my opinion, I suggest as Max10 has made up her decision, is to wish her the best with the puppy & her life with it!  :D
"Of all the dogs that are so sweet
The Spaniel is the most complete.
Of all the Spaniels, dearest far
The little loving Cockers are."
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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2010, 11:51:45 AM »
If you dont mind my opinion, I suggest as Max10 has made up her decision, is to wish her the best with the puppy & her life with it!  :D

Yes of course & we wish her well with her new puppy when he comes home :D However this is a public forum and the comments made could be useful to other members in the same situation so there is no reason why further posts can't be made, unless the OP decides she wants the thread closed.
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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2010, 11:58:59 AM »
There are a few warning signs here such as, they own the sire and dam and they don't health test, it also appears that they let you visit at 2 weeks and you are taking him home at 7 weeks  :-\.



Just to clarify Cayley this is not true my puppy was nearly 5 weeks when i seen him and will nearly be 8 when i will take him home..... thank you Scarlett I do appreciate your post & yes I have made my decision...  so hope it helps people in the future obviously not to do what i have done.... just puzzling as more I read of this forum it seems that there is a lot temperment issues with dogs e.g. behaviours & training section and I suppose im curious would people not have known this by viewing both parents when choosing their pup and the DNA testing etc (as I have been told I should have done) before they would pick a cs that had temperment issues etc...as apparently it is envitable that my pup will turn out to have temperment issues...just wondering does anyone truly know?? :dunno: :003:

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2010, 12:02:04 PM »
If you dont mind my opinion, I suggest as Max10 has made up her decision, is to wish her the best with the puppy & her life with it!  :D

Yes of course & we wish her well with her new puppy when he comes home :D However this is a public forum and the comments made could be useful to other members in the same situation so there is no reason why further posts can't be made, unless the OP decides she wants the thread closed.
You are absolutely correct! I have read so many usefull posts at COL!!
"Of all the dogs that are so sweet
The Spaniel is the most complete.
Of all the Spaniels, dearest far
The little loving Cockers are."
Ernest Howard Shepard, Mc Obe 1879 - 1976

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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2010, 12:08:29 PM »
There are a few warning signs here such as, they own the sire and dam and they don't health test, it also appears that they let you visit at 2 weeks and you are taking him home at 7 weeks  :-\.

Hi everyone sorry i took down my OP and have been notified as you all can see now  :embarassed: :embarassed: I didnt realised you could "close" the thread Jane so my apologies for anyone i have confused!

Just to clarify Cayley this is not true my puppy was nearly 5 weeks when i seen him and will nearly be 8 when i will take him home..... thank you Scarlett I do appreciate your post & yes I have made my decision...  so hope it helps people in the future obviously not to do what i have done.... just puzzling as more I read of this forum it seems that there is a lot temperment issues with dogs e.g. behaviours & training section and I suppose im curious would people not have known this by viewing both parents when choosing their pup and the DNA testing etc (as I have been told I should have done) before they would pick a cs that had temperment issues etc...as apparently it is envitable that my pup will turn out to have temperment issues...just wondering does anyone truly know?? :dunno: :003:

DNA testing is a separate issue from temperaments - Cockers have several hereditary health conditions such as PRA (eye disease which causes blindness) and FN (kidney disease which affects young Cockers). There are DNA tests available for breeders to use so they can avoid producing these diseases in their dogs as far as it is possible to do so.

Temperament is something that involves lots of different elements which include genetics (what the parents & other relatives were like) as well as how the litter is socialised by the breeder and also how the puppy is raised and trained by the new owner. So with all these different elements to consider, it's never going to be possible to ever guarantee what a particular puppy will turn out like. What people are saying here is that because the sire's temperament is not as outgoing as it should be in a breeding dog, you're starting out with a question mark over one of the different things that contributes to a dog's temperament. Nobody has said it is inevitable your puppy will have temperament issues - just that there's a risk involved.


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Re: Just picked a Golden Cocker Spaniel Puppy - advice appreciated
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2010, 01:11:54 PM »
It's important to remember also that cockers are a VERY popular breed - they are usually up in the top 3 most produced dogs every year, so whilst there are lots of issues on the behaviour board here, it doesn't reflect that behavioural issues are more common in cockers nor does it suggest that every cocker will have them. It's likely you will have some undesirable behaviour at some point as that's true of nearly all puppies of all breeds, but managing it and working positively to train your dog is what's needed!

It's also important to remember why cockers exist, they were originally bred as working dogs, one of their biggest jobs being to track down and 'flush' birds out of the undergrowth. For this skill, busy, energetic, intelligent dogs were selected that had the stamina to 'work' all day if required and these traits are still very present in todays cockers (including a lot of show types) even though most cockers are now 'just' pets and don't do the work they were bred to do. So this energy, intelligence and drive needs to be channelled otherwise dogs can become bored and frustrated which can lead to behavioral problems. Cockers need mental stimulation (training and games etc) and once they are fully grown, a good level of exercise for them to be content... without this, it's more likely that you will have behavioral issues - but as already said, that's nothing to do with rage.

I train my dogs every day on walks - it's no big deal, but we don't just walk. I keep them busy with obedience training and some gundog type games that keep their brains working and occupied, they love it and are happy, responsive and generally well behaved because of it. ;) My Weimaraner (a rescue) can be aggressive (dog to dog, not human) because she was undersocialised as a pup and this is helped by lots training and building a trusting bond.

You won't get a readymade 'good' dog with any pup, but you will have a busy cocker pup that's full of life and needs to be entertained, stimulated and exercised to be a happy well balanced dog. :D

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