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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2013, 11:57:11 AM »
I think it is best to remember that if we read about having a child and how difficult it was and how we should only feed the best food etc none of us would have children!  So, don't get too upset about the best food for the puppy - opinions differ a lot on here and so long as it is good quality (see last replies above) you should be o.k.

That is what I have decided anyway as I was getting far too stressed about it all.

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2013, 12:01:51 PM »
p.s. - naturediet do a puppy version - my local pet shop sells it and it is about 99p and you can buy one sachet/tray at a time.

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2013, 12:19:03 PM »
contd...
re teeth, think I had better try the cleaning and also give nylabones or one of the others for cleaning.  Am not squeamish any will do - is it one of whatever you choose after each meal?  Is it part of their calories or not?   Is one preferable to others or are they basically all doing same job?


For teefs. I clean Charlies, and have done since I got him; when he was a pup it was mainly going through the motions; letting him chew the brush and toothpaste, but then he calmed and it was ok to do...Now he's a big boy and sulks when he gets his teef cleaned; I do tell him it's for his own good but I dont think he believes me. But 98% of the time he sits there, the days when he is being a right fidget; he still gets them cleaned, just not as well.
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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2013, 12:46:29 PM »
Brodie's teeth are usually fine, but she has been a little devil at eating her carrots and for health reasons I can't give her other chews, so I'm brushing them at the moment. First time I've had to since I changed her to wet food (minus the time she was very ill and wasn't even allowed carrots).

You can pick up NatureDiet from pretty much any pet shop, I would think. Pets at Home definitely sell it. Brodie had a puppy kong when she was younger and I swapped her to the medium once she was older.

Advantages to wet food over kibble... That's a hard one, I would love to change Brodie to raw but can't, so for me wet food is a good compromise. Personally, I don't think I'd ever change back to kibble, but that is just my personal preference as there are many excellent dry foods out there which dogs thrive on.

Poos - a subject close to our hearts :lol2:. Brodie does one small poo a day, sometimes two. That's about the same as when she was on kibble (I fed her Burns before). Yes most likely they will pee and poo overnight until they are able to hold it in, they only have tiny bladders and not much self control at first.

Re socialisation - yes you can't put them down until after their second vaccination, your vet will be able to let you know depending on what vaccination they give. I've never had Brodie want to pee on a bus, although she has only ever been on as an adult! If it did happen I'd imagine it would be quite easy to clean up.

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2013, 01:00:25 PM »
Please correct me if I'm wrong, this was just my experience when B was tiny....but I think puppies tend to ''hold'' poo in if they don't find a suitable place to go, so I would think you'd be fine to carry the puppy pre-vaccination without fear of him/her needing to poop.
You COULD get wee-wee'd on though, their bladders aren't strong & they sometimes we through excitement  :005: if you do intend to carry the puppy out & about before s/he's vaccinated, perhaps taking a puppy pad with you is a good idea as you effectively create a barrier between the pup and the floor if you need to pop the little one down for a wee in public, before they're allowed to have proper walks.

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2013, 01:02:01 PM »
I use wainwrights wet trays. It comes from PAH but is made by the company that makes Forthglade which I also use occasionally as I like to give a fish variety occasionally. It is similar quality to nature diet which is what Archie was weaned on mixed with JWB kibble. The JWB didn't suit him at all (very loose poos!) eventually he became fussy and refused to eat the kibble and then stopped eating altogether. That's when I tried the wainwrights and he absolutely LOVES it. he does one poo a day - very occasionally two. They are perfect, I'm so proud!!  ;) :005:

I used a rucksack to carry pups in when out and about. Puppy pad in the bottom, just in case.

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2013, 03:45:24 PM »
so are you getting small poos because its wet food - does kibble make more?   I will try Wainwright or Nature diet.  the use kibble for treats?   Any preferences I think someone mentioned Applaws....which I think is maybe one of the better kibbles?

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2013, 04:17:40 PM »
since changing Tilly from Burns to Naturediet her poo has firmed and she is only going around 3 x daily. When on Burns she would go around 5 - 6 x daily and they would be firm to start and then loose and I couldn't believe how much would come out in one go... :o :o

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2013, 05:18:00 PM »
so are you getting small poos because its wet food - does kibble make more?   I will try Wainwright or Nature diet.  the use kibble for treats?   Any preferences I think someone mentioned Applaws....which I think is maybe one of the better kibbles?

Generally speaking, kibble does produce more poo's as it contains ''fillers'' - but bare in mind there's a wide range of kibble, and these fillers can be anything from wheat to oats...i.e. some are rubbish and some are alright.

My pup is on Skinners kibble currently, brown rice is its filler & I'd say he does 3 poo's a day but if he has been particularly active it could be 4 as his system is on the go!

You certainly can use kibble for treats - it's perfect with a young puppy, when they're very young they don't need a plethora of treats :)

Applaws is a brilliant kibble, also one of the more expensive but it's all about what you can afford as an individual at the end of the day :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2013, 05:24:22 PM »
We changed from James wellbeloved to eden kibble 80% meat/fish and 20% fruit , veg, no cereals, fillers, beet pulp etc, no additives
It actually works out cheaper than JWB at £30 for a 7.5kg or I buy the 15kg bag for £49.99

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2013, 06:41:03 PM »
Eden kibble sounds good, is it more or less as good as Naturediet?
Dare I ask about the poos!!!!!

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2013, 06:55:42 PM »
Eden kibble sounds good, is it more or less as good as Naturediet?
Dare I ask about the poos!!!!!



Lol, natures diet I believe has cereal/fillers , eden doesnt
During the change over Riley had loosh (ish) poo for about 3-4 days, all fine now in that department.
He goes 2 or sometimes 3 times per day, Not very much each time either.


This is a great site for food comparisons, you can compare a few at at time.
www.whichdogfood.co.uk

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2013, 07:09:32 PM »
Eden kibble sounds good, is it more or less as good as Naturediet?
Dare I ask about the poos!!!!!



Lol, natures diet I believe has cereal/fillers , eden doesnt
During the change over Riley had loosh (ish) poo for about 3-4 days, all fine now in that department.
He goes 2 or sometimes 3 times per day, Not very much each time either.


This is a great site for food comparisons, you can compare a few at at time.
www.whichdogfood.co.uk


No, NatureDiet doesn't have cereal/fillers, I wouldn't be able to feed it to Brodie if it did ;)

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2013, 07:20:09 PM »
Eden kibble sounds good, is it more or less as good as Naturediet?
Dare I ask about the poos!!!!!



Lol, natures diet I believe has cereal/fillers , eden doesnt
During the change over Riley had loosh (ish) poo for about 3-4 days, all fine now in that department.
He goes 2 or sometimes 3 times per day, Not very much each time either.


This is a great site for food comparisons, you can compare a few at at time.
www.whichdogfood.co.uk


No, NatureDiet doesn't have cereal/fillers, I wouldn't be able to feed it to Brodie if it did ;)


Ahh right I looked at the chicken one, I think they class rice as cereal/grain.

I also feed forthglade now and again, natural menu type .

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Re: feeding my new cocker
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2013, 07:41:22 PM »
When we got Milly as a rescue she'd been on JWB puppy and seemed to be OK with it but, when she came to move over to the adult JWB, she just couldn't take to it a all. Really strong and frequent aromas and she started itching and scratching all over.
We moved her over to Orijen adult and the problems disappeared within a week or so. She's been on it ever since, her weight is spot on for her size at just over 12 kilos and her coat really shines. She's on 120g of Orijen per day split between two meals.

When we got Chaz his breeder had been using Purina so we slowly moved him onto Orijen Puppy and then, two months ago, onto the adult version the same as Milly. He's bigger than Milly, 14.5 kilos, and is on 140g per day also split between two meals.

We buy Orijen in 13kilo bags which, at 260g per day, lasts 50 days. 2 x 13kilo bags cost £125 from Zooplus, lasts 100 days so we spend £1-25 per day, 58p for Milly and 67p for Chaz, on what's arguably one of the best quality dog foods available.

The feeding quantities for Orijen may seem quite small but the food contains no fillers, bulking agents or cereals at all. 80% of it is human quality meat and 20% is fruit and vegetables. The poos are smaller than with foods containing bulking agents and tend to be firmer and less smelly.

The general guide to feeding with Orijen is 10g of the kibble per kilo of body weight per day but the Orijen Puppy version is slightly more and needs to be increased as the puppy grows. Chaz was fed Orijen Puppy for nine months before moving to the adult version and is now just over 14 kilos, has a pronounced waist and has even persuaded our vet to move to Orijen for his springer spaniel  :clapping:.

I don't have a PhD in dog nutrition (Love it  ;)) but we went for Orijen after following advice on here some time ago. It's worked very well for us and our two cockers. There are lots of other dog foods out there though, some better than others, and the illustration of costs I've given just helps to see that even the higher priced foods don't need to break the bank.

Acana, another dog food from the makers of Orijen (Champion Petfoods, Canada), has slightly less protein and we sometimes give it to our two to provide some variety. It's formulation is very much as Orijen and we've found that they're quite happy to move from one to the other, or a mix of the two. Slightly less costly but also of the highest quality.

We use a portion of their daily food allowance as treats rather than give extra treats. They get half their food in the morning and the remainder, from which the treats have been taken, in the evening. The only additional food that they get are a few slices of raw carrot per day, half a Bonio at bedtime and a weekly treat of a small tin of sardines split between them.
 

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