Thanks Nicole, we are still working at it all, its only taken me 2 yrs for her to work out that all I wanted her to do is stand still, and not get excited when the judge comes to pat her. Also just started taking some private lessons for Obed and she also lives on an acreage with a river (so she has ducks and rabbit scent) and will help us with field work so at last it is all comming together at last !!!!! As they are now nearly 3 & 4 maybe I was expecting too much from them with an inexperienced handler.