Looks like a cocker to me too...awww that description broke my heart :( ...thank goodness for Sylvia
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she has to be a cocker!!!
I'm sure she's a full bred cocker, she looks very like my Nelly who also came from there. They had quite a few black & tan bitches a few months ago, maybe the fashion for that colour is changing :(
every time I see a black and tan cocker bitch from a puppy farm I always wonder if shes Billys mum :(
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Was Billy from a puppy farm? Maybe my Nelly is his mum? :huh:
If anyone is thinking of adopting her (Charmer that is, not Nelly, she's mine :lol: ) I can tell you that these ex-breeding bitches are very rewarding. Nelly is such a loving little (?) thing (OK, big lump :lol: ), she's still quite timid in certain situations, but with Dillon beside her to make her brave, she's very very happy & waggy. She just loves to be cuddled and climbs up on my chair every evening for a big mummy cuddle which sometimes gets a bit out of hand - she just doesn't realise how big she is :lol:
The ex-breeding bitches need to live with another dog to show them the ropes, but as you've all got at least one other dog, that makes you prime candidates for adopting :D
I'm sure she's a full bred cocker, she looks very like my Nelly who also came from there. They had quite a few black & tan bitches a few months ago, maybe the fashion for that colour is changing :(
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Yes she's definitely a Cocker not a cross or a Bichon & I think you're right - black & tans are probably losing their popularity with the puppy farmers as they realise that chocolate/liver is rapidly becoming the "must have" colour :(
Jane
every time I see a black and tan cocker bitch from a puppy farm I always wonder if shes Billys mum :(
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Was Billy from a puppy farm? Maybe my Nelly is his mum? :huh:
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Yes he is probably a puppy farm pup :( . His "breeder" address is South Wales so I suppose there is a chance Milly is his Mum too :D . Billy is two now so don't know what age his mum would be. I don't suppose these farmers give the paperwork when they hand over the unwanted bitch to many tears so i suppose we'll never know. Billy is KC reg :rolleyes: so I do know the name of his mum.
I'd love to take on a rescue cocker, your post makes iit sound ssssooo tempting but to be honest I don't think Billy is the best role model at the moment :lol:
Yes he is probably a puppy farm pup :( . His "breeder" address is South Wales so I suppose there is a chance Milly is his Mum too :D . Billy is two now so don't know what age his mum would be. I don't suppose these farmers give the paperwork when they hand over the unwanted bitch to many tears so i suppose we'll never know. Billy is KC reg :rolleyes: so I do know the name of his mum.
I'd love to take on a rescue cocker, your post makes iit sound ssssooo tempting but to be honest I don't think Billy is the best role model at the moment :lol:
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If Billy came from a puppy farm, there will be no way of knowing for sure who his mum is, I'm afraid puppy farmers fabricate the KC details, so it will be impossible to be certain.
Nelly is supposed to be about 3years old and in a puppy farm situation, she would have been mated on her first season at about 6 months of age, so she could be Billy's mum but we'll never know the answer for certain.
The ex-breeding bitches have no paperwork & even if they did, it would probably be all lies anyway.
If you're tempted to take one on, you could contact Many Tears & see what they say. My Dillon certainly isn't a good role model either, but they hit it off right from the start & now they even curl up on a chair together when I go out :wub:
My two are both rescue dogs (Dillon was my first rescue dog) and they are both so loving it's unbelievable. All my previous cockers have been very loving, but these two absolutely adore me, just the way they look at me with so much love in their eyes melts my heart daily. I swear they are grateful for being given a good home.
Yes she's definitely a Cocker not a cross or a Bichon & I think you're right - black & tans are probably losing their popularity with the puppy farmers as they realise that chocolate/liver is rapidly becoming the "must have" colour :(
Jane
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That really annoys me :angry: I know people often prefer one colour to another but they are dogs not a bl**dy accessory. Cockers have far more good qualities than the lovely colours they come in as well their health and temprement. I know - I am preaching to the converted :rolleyes:
Yes he is probably a puppy farm pup . His "breeder" address is South Wales so I suppose there is a chance Milly is his Mum too :D . Billy is two now so don't know what age his mum would be. I don't suppose these farmers give the paperwork when they hand over the unwanted bitch to many tears so i suppose we'll never know. Billy is KC reg :rolleyes: so I do know the name of his mum.
I'd love to take on a rescue cocker, your post makes iit sound ssssooo tempting but to be honest I don't think Billy is the best role model at the moment :lol:
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If Billy came from a puppy farm, there will be no way of knowing for sure who his mum is, I'm afraid puppy farmers fabricate the KC details, so it will be impossible to be certain.
Nelly is supposed to be about 3years old and in a puppy farm situation, she would have been mated on her first season at about 6 months of age, so she could be Billy's mum but we'll never know the answer for certain.
The ex-breeding bitches have no paperwork & even if they did, it would probably be all lies anyway.
If you're tempted to take one on, you could contact Many Tears & see what they say. My Dillon certainly isn't a good role model either, but they hit it off right from the start & now they even curl up on a chair together when I go out :wub:
My two are both rescue dogs (Dillon was my first rescue dog) and they are both so loving it's unbelievable. All my previous cockers have been very loving, but these two absolutely adore me, just the way they look at me with so much love in their eyes melts my heart daily. I swear they are grateful for being given a good home.
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I know what you mean about billys Kennel Club paperwork :angry: - sad isn't it really. I really do wish KC would stop turning a blind eye to these people - but thats a whole new topic!! :rolleyes:
I have some training issues that need resolving with Billy - two main ones - recall and pulling on the lead. The lead pulling is the major one I need to rectify before I get a second dog as at the moment there is no way I can handle walking two dogs. Billy is very very strong and at 20kgs he takes some controlling at times. Its not a problem of the evenings or weekends when OH is here but first thing in a morning when I walk him on my own it would be a definate no, i just couldn't handle two of them.
Plus I have the fact that I would have to put them into kennels at times such as holidays, I just cant do this. My dad has Billy now, but he has said hes not prepared to look after two dogs. I have looked into house sitters but Billy pulling on the lead was a no goer with them :huh: .
Your stories are sssoooo nice to read, I really admire you all, these poor rescue dogs must think they have died and gone to heaven :rolleyes:
I will have dog number two one day - but just not yet ;) .
If I feel sad about dogs like Charmer I tend to send a parcel to many tears with some chews in or toys ( a lot of the time buy them off ebay and get the seller to send them direct to many tears ). This tends to make me feel I have done something, not as good as giving one of them a home but a little something to cheer them up ;)
jan,it is thought millie is an ex breeder but my vet has said she is about 10 so she was used for a long time :ph34r: as you know paddy is very hyper at times but he is the best thing to have happened to millie.they are best friends and i know millie would not have settled so well if pads were not here.she really does have lots of fun and will follow paddy everywhere.paddy will protect millie if she gets wary of other dogs and they curl up together all the time they are wonderful to see i am truly proud of him.he is teaching her that she can be "naughty"and not get into to much trouble. :) you should think about a rescue. millie has taught paddy there are other dogs in this world and it doesn't evolve just around him :lol: she has been just as good for him as he has been for her.i thank god for both of them.
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Aaaawww Lyn thats such a nice story :D , stories like this make me go all goose pimply :D
I wonder what these rescued dogs must think when they come into their new homes :) it must be like all their christmases have come at once. Thank god for people who take these dogs into their homes and give them the life they truly truly deserve and lets not forget, thank god for Sylvia!!
If I feel sad about dogs like Charmer I tend to send a parcel to many tears with some chews in or toys ( a lot of the time buy them off ebay and get the seller to send them direct to many tears ). This tends to make me feel I have done something, not as good as giving one of them a home but a little something to cheer them up ;)
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Thats a good idea - I never thought of doing that - ok must go off to ebay now ;)
If I feel sad about dogs like Charmer I tend to send a parcel to many tears with some chews in or toys ( a lot of the time buy them off ebay and get the seller to send them direct to many tears ). This tends to make me feel I have done something, not as good as giving one of them a home but a little something to cheer them up ;)
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Thats a good idea - I never thought of doing that - ok must go off to ebay now ;)
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I've done it a few times now and its much easier than sending a parcel that I have made up myself. You can get some good bargains on e bay, plus you don't have the hassle of having to parcel the goods up and then go the the post office.
Think last time I got around five toys for about £6 plus about £2 P&P. :D
One thing also, Many tears website now have a "paypal" section where you can donate, its so quick and easy, fabulous idea ;)
Some fleecy dog blankets and a box of pigs ears will soon be winging their way to Wales :D
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:D :D Fabulous :D
Thats a great idea Jan :D I'll go and have a look at Ebay in a wee while and see what I can send those poor doggies. I have donated Jacksons christmas presents to a local dog home - I just couldn't bear to look at them so now hopefully some dogs will be able to enjoy them while they wait for their new home :(
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Aaaww that was such a nice thing to do Gill :) , some little doggies will have had some fun this xmas then ;)
I have some training issues that need resolving with Billy - two main ones - recall and pulling on the lead. The lead pulling is the major one I need to rectify before I get a second dog as at the moment there is no way I can handle walking two dogs. Billy is very very strong and at 20kgs he takes some controlling at times. Its not a problem of the evenings or weekends when OH is here but first thing in a morning when I walk him on my own it would be a definate no, i just couldn't handle two of them.
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Regarding your problem with Billy pulling, have you tried using a Halti headcollar? I've used them with my dogs for years. Nelly is currently getting used to hers, she doesn't like it a bit, but I'm afraid needs must, she's a very big girl and is way too strong for me to manage on a normal collar & lead. Because of her past, she hasn't had a lot of experience of walking on a lead, so starting to train her from scratch is very difficult. A Halti headcollar stops her from pulling without any cruelty to her. I've just ordered some new ones from here TRPD (http://petcraftproject.proboards24.com/index.cgi) and they should be ready in the next week or so. I'm hoping that she'll like her new one better than the old one which has been used for a few other dogs in the past.
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mmhh kind of :ph34r: . I took him to training classes a few months back and they recommended i get one and sold me one of theirs. Billy absolutely hated it, i tried and tried but he wasn't having any of it. Couldn't even get him to stand up with it on let alone get him out of the house. So i went back to the training class and had a word with the woman. She did some one to one for about 15 minutes with billy there and then, and she was really struggling too but was soo much better than i was. Billy hated it and at one point actually refused to move :lol: :lol: he sat there in the sit position and she had to practically drag him along the wooden floor :ph34r:
In the end she gave me a new collar to try - not a choke - but similar- but not cruel as they don't actually "choke" the dog. This was no use either! I had to abandon training classes as my back was in agony.
Since that day i have never tried. Until MIL came round few weeks back and said "oohh its easy once you get the hang of it ( she had springers who used them)" but ooohhh no Billy was having none of it.
So now I know i have no choice but to have some one to one training with it. surely he will accept it one day?
He's also on a diet - although to be honest he's not fat just muscular so not sure how much weight he will actually loose - so I am hoping the decrease in weight may make him easier to handle :huh:
Do you walk your dogs together? If so how do you manage?
Do you walk your dogs together? If so how do you manage?
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I do walk them together. The only way I can manage is with Haltis. Dillon is fine with his, although he'd never worn one before he came here (in fact, I don't think he'd ever even worn a collar). Dillon is very small though, so he's not so difficult to control, but Nelly is huge, not just overweight, she has a huge head & feet as well, she's what you would call "big boned" (hmmm, maybe she is Billy's real mum :unsure: )
Every so often, Nelly will walk along trying to get her Halti off with her front paws (which makes her do a very silly walk indeed :lol:) , then as soon as something takes her attention she's fine, I'm sure it's just a case of getting used to it, & like I said earlier, when she gets a nice new one, it may be better for her.
The one you tried for Billy - was it the right size? If they don't fit properly, they can go in the dog's eyes & obstruct their vision as well as being uncomfortable.
Do you walk your dogs together? If so how do you manage?
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I do walk them together. The only way I can manage is with Haltis. Dillon is fine with his, although he'd never worn one before he came here (in fact, I don't think he'd ever even worn a collar). Dillon is very small though, so he's not so difficult to control, but Nelly is huge, not just overweight, she has a huge head & feet as well, she's what you would call "big boned" (hmmm, maybe she is Billy's real mum :unsure: )
Every so often, Nelly will walk along trying to get her Halti off with her front paws (which makes her do a very silly walk indeed :lol:) , then as soon as something takes her attention she's fine, I'm sure it's just a case of getting used to it, & like I said earlier, when she gets a nice new one, it may be better for her.
The one you tried for Billy - was it the right size? If they don't fit properly, they can go in the dog's eyes & obstruct their vision as well as being uncomfortable.
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:o :o Maybe Nelly is Billys mum!!! Is her picture on the rescue pages? I'll have a look in a minute.
I don't know if its the right size as the trainer chose and fitted it for me. i presume so because he actually got the first one off and so she swapped it for a different size.
I may have another go this week. Get some extra tasty treats for him as a distractor. I know its something I have to work on :huh:
Cindere, who is the dog in your avatar??? Is it Dillon?
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Thank you, I will pass on your comments to the dastardly duo, I assure you, they're not half as angelic as they look :D
The dog in my avatar is Bess, who passed away peacefully on 8 July last year, aged 13 years & 3 months :(
Jan - just had a thought - how do you do the feedback bit for the ebay purchases?? I dont want to bother Sylvia to check if the parcels have arrived and are ok - so what did you do??
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I never left feedback unless they requested me to do so :ph34r: . If they did request feedback then I had to take their word for it and presume it was sent and received ok and therefore left positive feedback. I only also ever bought from people who had very good feedback ie 99 or 100% and knew they were probably reliable. The sellers don't know we are not gonna check if its been received :)
If it was a big parcel or a lot of monies worth I would e mail Sylvia and let her know and ask her to let me know once it had been received.