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Title: Many Tears
Post by: sarahp on January 19, 2006, 10:32:53 PM
Sylvia has added some writing about her last two days - its heart breaking :(   Made me cry :(  Especially the bit of writing under the dog named maggot

many tears (http://www.freewebs.com/manytearsrescue/dogslookingforhomes.htm)
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Cob-Web on January 19, 2006, 10:49:50 PM
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Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mich on January 19, 2006, 11:04:48 PM
she is an amazing women
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Post by: Magic Star on January 19, 2006, 11:07:20 PM
:(  :( Oh my word that poor little girl, may she rest her little head in peace xxx
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Elisa on January 19, 2006, 11:35:09 PM
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Why is it that a Many Tears thread has the same effect as a "Wet Paint" sign.  I know I shouldnt, but I do anyway, and then end up really regretting it.

Youre safe at the bridge now wee girl.  Have fun chasing the butterflies xxxxx  :wub:

 :(  :(
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Post by: lyn on January 19, 2006, 11:37:47 PM
words fail me :( run free sweet baby.
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mary P on January 20, 2006, 12:05:11 AM
Hi,
I was speaking to Sylvia earlier today, and I passed on to her the fact that she is a hero at COL. I said that all the cockers she has are always on the site, and there was almost a race to put them up.
She asked me to specially thank all the people who posted in our rescue pages for her, and everyone else that helped her in some way.
She told me about the little dead cocker, and that there were 6 new dogs which arrived today.
All strength to Sylvia!!!!!
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Post by: BigJim&Kate on January 20, 2006, 11:29:35 AM
I couldn't sleep last night after reading that news  :(  :(

We havent got much money but were going to try and help more !
Bailey has some toys and grooming brushes we dont use so there going down and I`ve sent an Email to all the companies I work with to try and get some donations.
One of my work mates is "buying a life" for his daughters birthday :wub:

We should really try and think of some more money raiseing ideas.....

I was thinking about a COL ebay'in jumble sale with all proceeds going to Many Tears ?
I have some ideas about how to arrange it but wont go into the details yet - Would like to know if yu guys think its a good idea first ?

Jim :(
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Post by: Acorah on January 20, 2006, 01:05:33 PM
Jim I think its an excellent idea. A friend of mine owns a pet shop and Im sure she will be more than happy to donate some bits.

Title: Many Tears
Post by: Spanielsmum on January 20, 2006, 01:26:51 PM
"We should really try and think of some more money raising ideas..."

In the past I've done "Pet Portraits" to raise funds for Many Tears and Springer Rescue, usually in the form of an auction and then the highest bidder gets a portrait (in pastel) from a photo.

I'm more than willing to do this on here if people are interested, and the moderators don't mind, of course.
Here are some which I prepared earlier!! :D

http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3707 (http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3707)
http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3399 (http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3399)
Title: Many Tears
Post by: BigJim&Kate on January 20, 2006, 02:59:11 PM
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"We should really try and think of some more money raising ideas..."

In the past I've done "Pet Portraits" to raise funds for Many Tears and Springer Rescue, usually in the form of an auction and then the highest bidder gets a portrait (in pastel) from a photo.

I'm more than willing to do this on here if people are interested, and the moderators don't mind, of course.
Here are some which I prepared earlier!! :D

http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3707 (http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3707)
http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3399 (http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=3399)
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Thats really generous of you !!

I think we could really do something here, i`m going to pick up a load of stuff the mother-in-law doesn't want so hopefully that might fetch a bit too.

Ill Pm mods to discuss, see if we can get the ball rolling this weekend. I Think Sylvia really needs all the help she can get atm.

Jim

OOOOO Sponsered Walks  :D  :D Yay !!!!
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Jane S on January 20, 2006, 05:12:54 PM
Thanks for the suggestions :) We will discuss this and get back to you as soon as possible. The one thing that does occur to me is the singling out of one rescue for fundraising when all the other small rescues work really hard and are also always desperate for funds/volunteers etc. Anyway, leave it with us for now :)

Jane
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Spanielsmum on January 20, 2006, 05:24:45 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions :) We will discuss this and get back to you as soon as possible. The one thing that does occur to me is the singling out of one rescue for fundraising when all the other small rescues work really hard and are also always desperate for funds/volunteers etc. Anyway, leave it with us for now :)

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I'd be happy for you to split any proceeds between different rescues.. it's really not a problem, I don't mind who I help  :D
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Post by: Petra on January 20, 2006, 05:43:07 PM
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One of my work mates is "buying a life" for his daughters birthday

Big Jim - sorry to be so dim - but what is this / what does it involve (obviously I have a rough idea...) sounds lovely, please tell me more!!!
Title: Many Tears
Post by: BigJim&Kate on January 20, 2006, 06:10:35 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/manytearsrescue/howtohelp.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/manytearsrescue/howtohelp.htm)

Its about half way down...

 :)
Title: Many Tears
Post by: lyn on January 20, 2006, 06:22:51 PM
this is a superb idea,i will help in any way i can.
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 03:48:31 PM
Yeah count me in  :D

I totally see Janes point of view. How about the proceeds are split between many tears and dogs trust?. Penny mentioned on here a week or so ago about dogs trust being good as they help out smaller rescues, just an idea as we can't possibly give money to every charity  :(

Another idea i have would be for us all to volunteer to give up a weekend and actually go down to many tears and help out. Perhaps in a few months when the nights are lighter. It will be hard work and very upsetting but i think Sylvia would appreciate the help, she sounds exhausted. I'm sure there must be a local hotel/guest house nearby where we could all stay?  I would love to do this although of course its not an option to everyone who has too many commitments.
What do you all think?  :)
Title: Many Tears
Post by: sarahp on January 21, 2006, 05:26:47 PM
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Another idea i have would be for us all to volunteer to give up a weekend and actually go down to many tears and help out.  I'm sure there must be a local hotel/guest house nearby where we could all stay? 
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Post by: Mich on January 21, 2006, 05:33:38 PM
I'm up for it  :)
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 05:41:06 PM
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Another idea i have would be for us all to volunteer to give up a weekend and actually go down to many tears and help out.  I'm sure there must be a local hotel/guest house nearby where we could all stay? 
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Yey!  :D  So thats three of us then so far. Who else is up for it  :D
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Cob-Web on January 21, 2006, 05:46:31 PM
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Another idea i have would be for us all to volunteer to give up a weekend and actually go down to many tears and help out. Perhaps in a few months when the nights are lighter. It will be hard work and very upsetting but i think Sylvia would appreciate the help, she sounds exhausted. I'm sure there must be a local hotel/guest house nearby where we could all stay?  I would love to do this although of course its not an option to everyone who has too many commitments.
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To be honest, I would rather donate the (not unsubstansial) travelling/accomodation costs to Many Tears instead.....if we all did this, then it would amount to several hundred £  ;)

I don't know about Many Tears, but our local rescue centres don't just allow people to walk in off the street and help out, either - there are inductions, insurance etc to sort out - its a lovely idea, but I'm not sure the practicialities will benefit Many Tears, iyswim???
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Joelf on January 21, 2006, 05:59:41 PM
I like the idea of helping at Many Tears but feel it wouldn't be practical for me as it's a long journey from West Sussex & also someone would have to look after my animals for me whilst I was there!! :(

I feel I personally could help them more by collecting money on their behalf as Rachel suggests. I recently ran a half-marathon & was able to raise £300 for them through getting friends & family to sponsor me.
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 06:02:40 PM
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To be honest, I would rather donate the (not unsubstansial) travelling/accomodation costs to Many Tears instead.....if we all did this, then it would amount to several hundred £  ;)
I don't know about Many Tears, but our local rescue centres don't just allow people to walk in off the street and help out, either - there are inductions, insurance etc to sort out - its a lovely idea, but I'm not sure the practicialities will benefit Many Tears, iyswim???
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Sylvia does have volunteers I have seen them on her website. On her list of "ways you can help" she does list actual physical help as one of her needs.

Obviously we wouldn't just turn up, she would have to ok it first but theres no point doing that until we know how many of us would be prepared to do it  ;) .

Yes the money is important but I think its just as important as the day to day chores that we can help her with. She sounds exhausted, I'm sure she'd jump at the chance of some physical help even if it is only for a day or two. I'm sure she has really important things to do that she struggles to find the time to do ie post new dogs on the net, speak to new potential owners on the phone. If she knows she has some people there to help she can donate more of her  time to these crucial tasks.
Title: Many Tears
Post by: lyn on January 21, 2006, 06:05:30 PM
i would go along.i am seriously thinking of becoming a fosterer.
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 06:09:47 PM
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I like the idea of helping at Many Tears but feel it wouldn't be practical for me as it's a long journey from West Sussex & also someone would have to look after my animals for me whilst I was there!! :(

I feel I personally could help them more by collecting money on their behalf as Rachel suggests. I recently ran a half-marathon & was able to raise £300 for them through getting friends & family to sponsor me.
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Like I said its not possible for everyone  ;) .

I'd be coming from Manchester so its not exactly local for me either.

I'm fortunate in that i can get someone to look after Billy for the weekend. It's easy for me to give up a weekend and jump in my car, but i appreciate, and didnt expect everyone to be able to or want to do the same  :D

Running a marathon would be impossible for me as i wouldn't have the time to train  :lol: .We all have our own ways in which we can help. But for me I still prefer this option. I have donated to many tears many many times now and feel I want to do more. All help is good though :)
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 06:10:48 PM
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Post by: Elisa on January 21, 2006, 07:42:08 PM
Count me in too and Ive got to come from Scotland!!  :blink:   This has been something I have thought about recently so Im really glad you have suggested it Jan  :D
Title: Many Tears
Post by: sarahp on January 21, 2006, 08:15:40 PM
Thought - maybe Mary P could ask Sylvia next time she speaks to her??  If Sylvia is happy for us to come down then we could really get it going?

Mary P - would you be happy to discuss the idea with Sylvia - maybe ask her what is a viable/useful number of volunteers in one go.  We dont want to swamp Sylvia!!  If there are loads of us we could maybe do several weekends???

Just a thought - have I had too much vodka??!!! :blink:
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 09:13:04 PM
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Thought - maybe Mary P could ask Sylvia next time she speaks to her??  If Sylvia is happy for us to come down then we could really get it going?

Mary P - would you be happy to discuss the idea with Sylvia - maybe ask her what is a viable/useful number of volunteers in one go.  We dont want to swamp Sylvia!!  If there are loads of us we could maybe do several weekends???

Just a thought - have I had too much vodka??!!! :blink:
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Yes great idea!  :D  Sylvia is more likely to be honest about what would and wouldn't be helpful if its someone that she knows that is asking her  :D
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 21, 2006, 09:14:46 PM
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Count me in too and Ive got to come from Scotland!!  :blink:   
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Bloomin heck  :o  thats a journey and a half for you. Really nice of you  :D
Title: Many Tears
Post by: silkstocking on January 21, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Only just read under maggot Sarah and I'm breaking my heart crying.

I'm looking at my lovely cockers and thinking how some animals like that poor bitch have it so rough and its just not bloody fair :(  :(  :(  :(

sob sob sob :( , oh its horrible :(

 what Many Tears does is AMAZING truly truly amazing
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Post by: Helen on January 23, 2006, 10:52:34 PM
finally found this thread thanks to jan, and yes of course i'd love to help out and go down for a weekend or a couple of days during the week.

i also design/make jewellery for a living, and am happy to donate a dog charm bracelet to go towards raffles/fundraising etc - i made one for white lodge long dogs last year (greyhound rescue) and i think (hoped!) they really liked it!

so yes, count me in...on any count.

Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 10:56:10 PM
I am desperate to go for a couple of days, it is half term 2 weeks friday maybe that week would be a good idea for some of us?

My only concern is how many dogs I would come home with and whether my OH would leave me as a result! :lol:
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Post by: silkstocking on January 23, 2006, 10:58:22 PM
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I am desperate to go for a couple of days, it is half term 2 weeks friday maybe that week would be a good idea for some of us?

My only concern is how many dogs I would come home with and whether my OH would leave me as a result! :lol:
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I'd have come in half term too but I'm away getting wed! :(

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Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 10:59:50 PM
Ahhh well we can do Easter too!! :D
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Post by: silkstocking on January 23, 2006, 11:00:44 PM
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Ahhh well we can do Easter too!! :D
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 ;)  ;) Its a date! xx
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Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 11:02:59 PM
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Ahhh well we can do Easter too!! :D
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Excellent!  I actually don't think it is that far from here xx
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Post by: silkstocking on January 23, 2006, 11:09:45 PM
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Everything is far from Kent, apart from France!!!!!! :(  :(  :(  :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 23, 2006, 11:17:17 PM
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My only concern is how many dogs I would come home with and whether my OH would leave me as a result! :lol:
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Seriously though its gonna be sssooo hard looking at those little cherubs  :(
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 23, 2006, 11:18:09 PM
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I'd have come in half term too but I'm away getting wed! :(
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Well thats just not good enough  :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 11:18:55 PM
So do we actually know that Sylvia wants us to go and help then? x
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 23, 2006, 11:19:05 PM
Can we do two weekends?  I'm away in April  :(
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 23, 2006, 11:20:03 PM
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So do we actually know that Sylvia wants us to go and help then? x
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Good question  :lol:  :lol:  

Does anyone know her well enough to e mail her and ask?
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Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 11:20:10 PM
Yes of course!!
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Post by: Penel on January 23, 2006, 11:28:14 PM
My Mum went there yesterday and brought back "Penelope Pitstop" - Cavalier... in a terrible state poor little mite.  She had a stillborn litter last weekend, so was dumped at MT.... spayed on Thursday - Mum said her boobs are down to the ground, but she is happy and wagging - so she will be fine now. :)   very very sad how people can do this to dogs  :(
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mich on January 23, 2006, 11:34:42 PM
So did your mum just go to help?

Also does anyone know if she needs short term foster homes?  I couldn't foster long term as I work but I would love to foster during holiday times- I have quite a lot as I teach.  Can you offer to foster for periods of 1 or 2 weeks?
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Post by: PennyB on January 24, 2006, 10:02:31 AM
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So do we actually know that Sylvia wants us to go and help then? x
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Post by: PennyB on January 24, 2006, 10:12:56 AM
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So did your mum just go to help?

Also does anyone know if she needs short term foster homes?  I couldn't foster long term as I work but I would love to foster during holiday times- I have quite a lot as I teach.  Can you offer to foster for periods of 1 or 2 weeks?
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Short-term fostering is only viable if the dog is definitely going elsewhere but this is often difficult to co-ordinate sometimes and you really don't knwo how long it will be to rehome a dog (I've had some for a few days to several weeks). So you'd effectively be fostering for the short period and then sending dog back to kennels which IMHO isn't fair on the dog. I do do short-term stuff but thats usually emergencies and its organised locally as there are a handful of people who work in rescue in the area.

I really do think that supporting Many Tears is a good thing but we have to be careful about getting carried away with it all. I live not too far to foster/help for Many Tears but I also know there are other rescues locally that are in such dire straits as Sylvia (she is not alone in this fact believe me) so I help them (they also have the harder to rehome dogs there as well). You can help Sylvia from a distance as well but may be raising money for the rescue would be just as useful.

Others I know are helping out with one rescue on dogpages by writing letters to get sponsorship for kennels, helping transport dogs from the pound to other rescues etc. all worthwhile and very helpful to them.

For those that live a long way from Many Tears what about highlighting the puppy farm problem, raise awareness for Many Tears and their plight ( to help them rehome more dogs), and raise money for them all in one go—all that could be done at car boots, dog shows, etc.
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Post by: Mary P on January 24, 2006, 11:45:04 PM
Hi,
I've been really busy, so wasn't able to reply until now.
Sylvia knows me only as someone who adopted a dog (Jack) who we got in Nov '04, and as she likes to be kept informed about their progress, I'm in touch now and again.
I went down again on Sunday, and we brought home Peggy (who was Molly on the website), so that's why I was on the phone to her last week.
Weekends there are really busy, and when I said that some of you would like to come to help, she quite obviously said yes, but followed by - and then they could take dogs home with them, I really need foster places. :huh:
So of course if you made arrangements she'll say yes to the help, and if you're homechecked then you could foster. There is a b&b close by, so if you want to go, then contact her and make the arrangements.
 
However, I must say that I have a lot of sympathy for what Penny B and Rachel have been saying. Don't get me wrong, I have enormous admiration for Sylvia, but there might be more productive ways of helping, especially if you live at a distance. Sylvia prefers to foster out of area, so she'd be very grateful if someone could help there, but there are rescues all over the country, and the time spent travelling to Many Tears might be spent transporting dogs or becoming a home checker, or helping locally. It took me 5 hours each way to go on Sunday - that's a big chunk of time!
 
Jack was in the pound, and would have died if not for Sylvia, but pound dogs die every week and people on Dog Pages are crying out for help with the 'poundies' too - transportation or emergency accomodation.
 
Peggy has spent her short life in a shed with 30 other dogs. She's 4 years, so I'm guessing she may have had 4-6 litters. She certainly looks as if she's only just finished feeding pups. The puppy farmer only gave her up as she wouldn't fight. The farmer would just put the food in, and then the dogs would have to fight for it. Peggy was getting very malnourished, so she was given up.
Sylvia said that this particular woman won't tell where her farm is, and will only meet Sylvia in laybys to hand over dogs. Something bad going on there I think!
We could all REALLY help the dogs by campaigning to get women like her put out of business.

We all help in our own ways, but as long as we do something. Sylvia is an amazing woman, and will be grateful whatever you do, but she'd also love to see a stop to puppy farming - that would certainly lighten her load!!

Cheers,
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Post by: Mich on January 25, 2006, 04:44:09 PM
Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a lovely informative post.

I live south west of the Midlands and so am relatively close, certainly close enough to help out for a couple of weekends.

I agree that helping in other ways would be really good too.

Thanks again xx
Title: Many Tears
Post by: cindere528 on January 25, 2006, 06:10:40 PM
Thanks, Mary for taking the time to write such a useful post.  One of the reasons I haven't as yet volunteered anything is that I thought time could be better spent doing things rather than driving all the way to Many Tears.  I too have a Many Tears ex breeding bitch but she was in foster care before I got her so I've never been to Many Tears or met Sylvia.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about getting puppy farmers stopped, but we have to be extremely careful in this respect.  Many Tears and Fionna at Lizzies Barn (along with other rescues) have spent a long time building up a trusting relationship with the puppy farmers so that they now hand over their unwanted dogs to a rescue.  Before they did this, the puppy farmers would drown, shoot or otherwise dispose of their unwanted "stock".  It's important that they trust the rescues so that they carry on letting them have the unwanted dogs because their end otherwise is unthinkable.  The puppy farming business is horrendous and needs to be stopped, but it's not something that individuals should start on, individuals starting hate campaigns against puppy farms would do more harm than good.

As for fundraising, if you look at The Refuge (http://www.rykat.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2236&st=0) there is an initiative on there to nominate a rescue every month to be the recipient of donations paid online.  It looks like a good idea to me but it's quite new & I'm not sure how it's going to work.
Title: Many Tears
Post by: PennyB on January 25, 2006, 07:39:39 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about getting puppy farmers stopped, but we have to be extremely careful in this respect.  Many Tears and Fionna at Lizzies Barn (along with other rescues) have spent a long time building up a trusting relationship with the puppy farmers so that they now hand over their unwanted dogs to a rescue.  Before they did this, the puppy farmers would drown, shoot or otherwise dispose of their unwanted "stock".  It's important that they trust the rescues so that they carry on letting them have the unwanted dogs because their end otherwise is unthinkable.  The puppy farming business is horrendous and needs to be stopped, but it's not something that individuals should start on, individuals starting hate campaigns against puppy farms would do more harm than good.

As for fundraising, if you look at The Refuge (http://www.rykat.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2236&st=0) there is an initiative on there to nominate a rescue every month to be the recipient of donations paid online.  It looks like a good idea to me but it's quite new & I'm not sure how it's going to work.
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I think its more about educating the public really rather than a vendetta against these farmers (its not just the relationship re rescue but it is also a dangerous game :ph34r: )
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 25, 2006, 07:46:57 PM
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Yeah I completely agree. How many people would still buy puppy farm puppies if they really knew what went on. I know there is no way on this earth I would have. I won't even buy anything from the local shop that is owned by the people who own/run the puppy shop. I refuse to line their pockets  :angry: .
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mary P on January 25, 2006, 08:23:39 PM
Hi,
I certainly wasn't thinking about hate campaigns, and agree that it would be unthinkable to spoil the relationship which has developed. Rather that lobbying MP's to raise the profile, or supporting and helping with campaigns like the Dogs Trust have been doing. Getting a pile of stickers and getting family and friends or the Vets to display them etc.
Cheers,
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 25, 2006, 10:47:44 PM
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Getting a pile of stickers and getting family and friends or the Vets to display them etc.
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Title: Many Tears
Post by: Penel on January 26, 2006, 12:03:41 AM
Mum went down there specifically to take PP home with her - she lost one of her Cavs the week before and saw PP on the website.  She's got a broken wrist at the moment (Mum) so can't actually do much at all !
Title: Many Tears
Post by: Mich on January 26, 2006, 12:12:09 AM
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Mum went down there specifically to take PP home with her - she lost one of her Cavs the week before and saw PP on the website.  She's got a broken wrist at the moment (Mum) so can't actually do much at all !
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Ahhh i hope she is feelin better soon.

I am still really hoping to go for a weekend to help, I would really like to help in a hands on way, but of course that is just me!  Will also do anything else I can. :)

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Post by: cindere528 on January 26, 2006, 07:53:45 AM
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Hi,
I certainly wasn't thinking about hate campaigns, and agree that it would be unthinkable to spoil the relationship which has developed. Rather that lobbying MP's to raise the profile, or supporting and helping with campaigns like the Dogs Trust have been doing. Getting a pile of stickers and getting family and friends or the Vets to display them etc.
Cheers,
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I wasn't insinuating that you or anyone here was planning hate campaigns, it's just that a lot of people don't know how dangerous the puppy farming business is and I wanted to let everyone know that if it weren't for the relationship between the rescues & puppy farms, a lot more dogs would suffer.  The rescues have worked very hard over the years to get the trust of the puppy farmers and it would be horrible if that trust was lost.  

I too have a Dogs Trust anti puppy farming sticker in my car and have been asked about it quite a few times.  Most of the general public are totally unaware of the horrors of puppy farming.  I agree with what has already been said, we need to raise awareness.  If people knew about what goes on, the majority would never buy from them.
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Post by: Mary P on January 26, 2006, 11:48:16 AM
Thanks Cindere :)
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Post by: sarahp on January 26, 2006, 08:27:36 PM
This may be a really a daft question but is it legal for pet shops to sell puppies and kittens??
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Post by: Jan/Billy on January 26, 2006, 08:42:50 PM
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This may be a really a daft question but is it legal for pet shops to sell puppies and kittens??
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Yes its legal  :angry: . However the establishment must be registered with the council
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Post by: Mich on January 26, 2006, 08:43:48 PM
:o  :o  :o