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Offline Magic Star

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2004, 04:09:55 PM »
I personally feel the vast majority of kids are well behaved and respect dogs :)   Yes some toddlers can get overexcited with dogs, but if the dog is well trained and well socialised, the dog should be able to cope with that, and behave accordingly!

When we got Indie, she had to fit into our family routine, not the other way around, as although we love her dearly, she is the bottom of the pack!  My children have always respected dogs and animals alike, not all dog owners teach their dog to accept childrens behaviour though <_<  

In the situation of the original poster, she is doing all she can, trying to find out the best way of dealing with this, which is very commendable ;)  Dogs and children can be either two things a recipe for disaster or a recipe of love :D   With time and patience I am sure the latter will be the outcome for Jane!  

Sometimes, I feel a bit annoyed on dog forums, as people can be very quick to judge children and to tar them all with the same brush, as maybe ONE incident, they have heard of :(  No wonder children lose faith in adults, as so many adults  don't tend to give children much credit or respect!   No matter how much we all adore and cherish our dogs, children should always come first!

Jane, I wish you luck in however you decide to deal with this, I am sure there will be a happy outome, within a couple of weeks :rolleyes:


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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2004, 08:41:16 PM »
Many thanks to you all for your comments. I have to say that my grandsons are normal, lively and very young little boys and neither their parents or I would tolerate either of them doing anything whatever to harm Charlie. They are allowed to talk to him and pet him gently through a baby gate that separates the kitchen from the dining area which is great. Neither of them is frightened of this contact and enjoy it. However when they go away to play the tempo invariably rises. Joe 31/2 is currently Spiderman or Buzz Lightyear with Jack 20mnths joining in the "into infinity and beyond" !!  :rolleyes: Of course Charlie can hear this and wants to join in but as has happened on the times he's got in (usually my fault because I haven't fastened the gate properley and therefore he makes a dash for it) the boys have been frightened by this big dog chasing about, jumping and running off with their toys.
I'm sure it would have been easier if the children were here all the time and had been growing up with Charlie around all the time but they usually visit just once or twice a week untill now.
I know this isn't going to be easy as a 20month old child just doesn't understand about sitting still on the sofa and being scared that Charlie will eventually calm down and trying to reassure him and control Charlie at the same time :unsure:  :unsure:
I'm still not sure how I'm going to resolve this but hopefully my daughter and I can make a concerted effort in the next 2 weeks before she returns to work at the new school term.
Sorry - another saga
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2004, 08:51:33 PM »
;)  You know your pets and family better than anyone, you can judge the situation and monitor it.Unfortunatley there is no easy way to do it but you will and when you have sit back and enjoy as children and dogs when supervised correctly play wonderfully and are a joy to watch.Good luck let us know how it goes. :D  
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2004, 08:52:47 PM »
Emma...I know what you mean about the attitudes that sometimes arise on some forums regarding children. Sometimes you wonder why it's okay to make horrible remarks about children, it does bother me  :(
 

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2004, 09:00:41 PM »
:huh: Yes totally agree children are not all the same and it is our job too teach them right from wrong. my kids worship my dogs and visa versa. both dogs and kids have to be pulled up on unaceptable behavior,again that is how they learn. ;)  
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2004, 09:06:14 PM »
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Emma...I know what you mean about the attitudes that sometimes arise on some forums regarding children. Sometimes you wonder why it's okay to make horrible remarks about children, it does bother me  :(
It bothers me as well Kelly, ive heard them referred to as brats on one forum.  :(  it might only be tongue in cheek,then again it might not, but it realy annoys me.  :angry:  
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2004, 09:06:37 PM »
I sometimes find that some people I know (won't call them friends  <_< ) who have dogs, but no kids are extremely biased against them (kids).  At the other end of the scale some people with kids but no dogs look upon having dogs as the foulest thing you could ever imagine.  Certainly at least half the people I've told about us getting a second dog have looked at me as if I'm completely stark raving mad!!

I love my kids, but not all kids and I love my dog(s) but not all dogs.  Each to their own I say, but lumping all dogs together in the smelly foul brute league and all children into the evil whining brats league is wrong.  I don't believe anyone wins in a situation where hurtful remarks are made about either.

Don't know if any of this makes sense or gets my point across properly but I'm very tired :rolleyes:  :D  
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2004, 09:19:57 PM »
;) Well said Tracey could not have put it better myself.I too get offended by the narrow minded comments made on kids and dogs. ;)  
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2004, 10:02:52 PM »
well, I guess that one result comes from all this conversation :-)
Good willing, patience, persistance, tolerance and 'hope', is the 'secret' recipe for our little ones... both children and dogs :)

Experience is not a must ingredient as it is usually being added time after time.. ;) but it should be known how to be used once it's been gained ;)

A good company to gain knowledge (this is here :) ).

Time... well... this is something relevant for all of us... but... hey, they deserve it.. don't they? :)

good luck :)

 
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2004, 10:23:40 PM »
My children were 2 and 4 when we got our Labrador Goldie as a pup.
The initial couple of weeks were rather hectic, while both children and puppy learnt about each other.
My children had never really been around dogs before, but knew that they should never mistreat her in any way.
Gradually they all settled down with each other and the initial exuberance wore off.
I have always found that both dogs are much more gentle and settle far more quickly if  they are allowed to greet people....if they are ever closed away it seems to just get them hyper.

I would start from now, letting children and dog meet with your supervision.
Have a quiet area away from the noise and excitement if your dog wants to escape.
Explain to the children how to play calmly and quietly when the dog is in the room.
It may take a little time, but usually dogs and children learn how to interact really well together.
Plenty of rewards for both sides :lol:  and you will get results.

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2004, 11:11:25 PM »
This has been a really useful string for me, thank you, as I am in the middle of teaching my 3 /2 yr old daughter and 12 week old puppy how to live with each other  :blink: . Neither have any experience of the other (daughter of doggies and Molo of children) so its a big learning curve for all of us.

One of the most useful things I've done is taught my daughter to 'stand still like a statue' if Molo is bouncing around her and she is nervous. Molo gets bored and wanders off, and she learns not to excite him by flapping, running or squealing, but its still a game for her.

Inerestingly, there are things that she has had to be taught about dogs, cos the TV and books are not  very clear - dogs don't understand when you 'talk' to them, and can't talk back, for instance (watch the Tweenies if you don't believe me   :huh: )

It will take a few more weeks I think, but we'll get there slowly
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2004, 11:16:25 PM »
Mary and I wrote an FAQ on this very subject...both having children and cockers..not sure if this helps
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2004, 12:09:03 AM »
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I love my kids, but not all kids and I love my dog(s) but not all dogs.
I'd agree with the sentiments of this in the sense that I love some kids but not all kids etc. just as much as I like some parents and not those who are too lazy to bother teaching their children the rights and wrongs of everything as they're too wrapped up in their own lives
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2004, 12:20:50 AM »
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I love my kids, but not all kids and I love my dog(s) but not all dogs.
I'd agree with the sentiments of this in the sense that I love some kids but not all kids etc. just as much as I like some parents and not those who are too lazy to bother teaching their children the rights and wrongs of everything as they're too wrapped up in their own lives
I would agree with that. People who can't be bothered with their children or their pets shouldn't really have had them.

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2004, 10:59:09 AM »
I get narked when we are out and childen move towards my girls (who are obviously waggy and happy) only to be dragged away by parents who are muttering 'don't touch the dog dear it might bite'. Did they ask me if my dog bites - no! Did i pull the dog away or warn the child off - no!

I feel like saying 'don't go near that child, fern , they might pull your ears or poke you in the eye!'

Keep your child under control by all means but do not accuse my dogs of biting!!!!

Our friends little girl has visited since she was born - virtually her first words in our house were 'down doggy down' as she waded between three dogs almost bigger than her with her biscuit held above her head! I love kids like that!

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