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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2008, 04:44:06 PM »
Wow that was quick work, :005:  good on you, you and your gf really want this pup dont you?  :D

I think you have just solved your problems  :D

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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2008, 04:51:41 PM »
yes really want this more than anything ... but if its not right for the dog then it isnt right ... only time will tell whether she will be able to do it ...

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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2008, 05:29:37 PM »
My mother in law has gotten used to the idea that grandkids are a no no, so she treated my last boy as her grandson and now Alfie the same.  :005:

I was planning when Alfie is a bit older to leave him alone just one morning on my half day, so she only had to have him one day in the week, but she is adamant he must go to her house on that half day.  :luv: I really hope you can make similar arrangements, the joy (and heartache) these cockers bring is unbelievable.  :luv:


Good luck.  :D

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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2008, 05:31:07 PM »
Hi Ross

Wanted to put a slight positive spin on this - although some people won't see it as positive  ;)

We got Ollie at 10 weeks old - we had 2 weeks off work to settle him. We both work full time - i work Monday to Friday during the day and my OH works nights Mon to - Thurs. So we were fine Monday and Friday as OH is in most of the day. But we were to struggle on Tues, Wed and Thurs. Whilst we were feeding Ollie at lunch time as a pup OH got up to feed/play/toilet Ollie. I'll be honest doing it this way meant it probably took longer to toilet train him as he was left for about 4 hours and OH was knackered.

Once we weaned him off lunch we had to ask family to come - so on a Tuesday my mum takes him for a walk and he gets some time with her, and on a wed he goes to my OH's mum for the afternoon. Thursday we have no solution so OH gets up earlier than normal so Ollie is left a bit longer - but if he's desperate for the toilet or something he can howl and OH would wake up. Not ideal but it seems to work. Ollie is healthy - has never chewed anything other than his toys and he seems happy to me. In a ideal world i wouldn't work but lets be honest we all have bills to pay!!!

I think it can work if you work full time but you do need to call i nfavours from friends/family/neighbours and be prepared for things to take longer like the toilet training if they are going to have times on their own.

Hope that helps slightly

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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2008, 09:00:51 PM »
Hi

Families can also get addicted to cockers.  When we got Ellie, we were both working full time.  I work flexi though and am lucky as I work 10 minutes away from home.  I rearranged my day so that I went in to work at 9.30, came home 12.30 - 1.50, and then my son (16) was home from school at 3.30. (I though have to stay at work till 6.00 pm to make my hours up!)  My mother in law (who always said she didnt like dogs) started to call in 3 days a week, so I didnt have to come home.  This has now developed into her coming at 1.00 pm and staying till my son gets home.  She also takes Ellie out on a good hours walk across the country park. She now loves it so much, that even when its school holidays, and I say I dont need her to come, she still insists on calling in, and taking her for a walk. She just loves her so much.

Ellie is a very sociable dog, who loves people.  She's not shy with anyone (always different people around) and she has never chewed anything up (other than my new shoes  >:D ,) even though she does spend 3 hours or so at one time alone.

Hope it works out for you x



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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2008, 09:19:27 PM »
okay so things have changed slightly ... we're going to ask my gf'd mum if she can walk it for an hour a day ... even if she can only do it 3 times a week we will get a dog walker for the other 2 days.

if this fails my gf can change shifts at work. so she wouldn't need to be in work until 12 and i would be home at half 4ish so that would be better hopefully.

See you want something bad enough you can find a way  ;)

just another bit of info from me tho to make sure you get things right  ;) for the first roughly 12 months the pup won't need an hour walk in one go, so follow the 5 min per month rule (5min walk for evey month in age of the pup - 3 months old x 5 min = 15 / 20 min walk each time ) but company for the full hour will be very good, a few cuddles and lots of loving etc  :D

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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2008, 12:31:24 PM »
Ross

I work full time too, as does my husband, out of the house.  Paddy goes to a dog-sitter (found through the vet - go in and ask them and check their notice boards) each day - we live in Windsor and the cost is £20 per day.  She is an experienced cocker owner (two of her own currently, had them all her life).  It is a huge expense (£435 pcm, so circa £5k per annum) but I wouldn't get a dog if it wasn't with people all day.

I can only echo what Hannah ("Trevor") wrote on her earlier post, and I'd beg you to reconsider getting a puppy if it's going to be left more than an hour or two at most for the first six months, even with a lunchtime visit and walking/play during that visit.  As well as its physical needs, dogs have very entrenched emotional needs - many WILL live calmly with less than the optimal level of input (more likely when they are older) but that doesn't mean that they are particularly happy. 

It's a nebulous area, because you're talking about the mental health/well-being of a different species member - but I can see even with my dog that at times when work has spilled over into having to work in the evenings, so he gets fed, gets walked but hasn't had the play and interaction with me, he gets depressed-looking.  Very quiet, yes, he curls up, sleeps, looks bored and mooches around - very different to the tired snores we get from him when he's been fed, been walked, and been played with and trained.  And bear in mind that Paddy spends his day playing with one cocker who is the same age as him, who he's grown up with since 9 weeks old, and poddling round with her and the older cocker - as well as with the petsitter.  AND he gets two walks a day off-lead with petsitter and the two dogs, plus on and off lead walks with me (depending on weather/time of year) on workday evenings. 

Even now, at two and a half years old, I wouldn't routinely leave Paddy for four hours at a time....

sorry to put a damper on the revised plans.

In terms of the change to your life: it's like having a baby, rewarding but tiring (and occasionally inducing the wish to kill.....) in the early days.  Later - yep, you need a dog-friendly pub, lots of outdoor places to eat which have heaters for winter months (because you will end up needing to have your paw with you as much as he needs to be with you  :luv: :lol2:), and you will (despite the "yuck" factor when you start) probably end up referring to each other as his mum or her dad etc. 

Personally - Paddy was never going to be allowed upstairs, on the furniture...etc etc - sleeps by our bed now, curls up on the sofa with me, basically indulged like a prince...Oh, and I haven't gone to the loo on my own for over two years now at home: the Paw Meister wouldn't appreciate being left outside when I'm inside the bathroom.  Makes for friendly chats.... ph34r

Final thing - don't know if this is echoed by others or not.  Paddy is, first last always - my dog.  He likes my husband but it's me he needs to be near.  He was bought as my 40th birthday present, so I'm relieved it is me he adores, because I'd be hacked off if he didn't.  OH is hacked off that he is so clearly No. 2 in the pecking order.  How will you/your G/F feel about being an "also-ran" in your dog's affections??  I can honestly say we have argued more (always about Paddy) in the last two + years than we did in the preceding 11 years of marriage.....

Hope you find a workable solution to get a happy little dog (and an adult rescue, especially one from an established home where e.g. divorce or old age are the cause of rehoming, may be part of the solution).

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Re: Hey - New to this and some serious advice needed.
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2008, 03:18:09 PM »
Hi I work full time and have a working cocker. I have changed jobs and stopped a long commute but am still out from 8 til 5.30 every day. Jasper gets a walk from me in the morning and one from my husband in the evening and is left in the garden, where he has a kennel and the run of the garden all day. Its not ideal but he also spends odd days at his breeders (even though he is now 4 they are still happy to have him) so he gets some dog company.
OK, so I don't know it doesn't bother him but if I come home early he is always asleep in his kennel. When I come home on time he is waiting for me at the back gate. I think he is therefore in a routine. I stay up late so he gets lots of attention from me in the evenings at at weekends.
I pay for insurance from Direct Line at £15 a month but have never had to claim.
I also have a rabbit - bought after I got Jasper and I let the rabbit in the house sometimes and Jasper runs away. The rabbit tries to play with him but he won't have any of it...... introduce them straight away and you shouldn't have a problem.

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« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2008, 03:56:09 PM »
When we decided to get another spaniel - and it had to be a spaniel because they are the best wee doggies in the whole world!! - we decided to look for a rescue or older dog because we both work full-time. We were ideally looking for a dog that was over 1 year old, but when Twix came our way at 5 months we were absolutely delighted. I took time off work to settle her in and she now has a dog walker once a day (for about an hour) while we are at work (plus occasional daytime visits from OH and his family and occasional days being taken to work with OH). I would recommend that more than a once a day dog walker is needed for a pup under 6 months, which is why doggy daycare is ideal, but I am sure that you can find other solutions that will suit your circumstances and your purse. Some dog walkers will collect pups and keep them for several hours, which might be an acceptable alternative to the doggy daycare option.

Good luck with your decision anyway!

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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2008, 06:11:50 PM »
A big Welcome to COL, Ross. :D

Although I'm in the fortunate position of not working I can only echo the remarks of the others; dogs are very sociable animals & thrive on company (human & canine!) so I personally would not leave our dogs for more than 4 hours maximum unless it was really unavoidable & they are both adults.

It sounds, though, as if both you & your g/f have really thought things through throughly & it does seem a shame to deprive a lucky dog the chance to have a lovely home with you so I think if I were in your position I would definately make enquiries about day care & perhaps consider a slightly older dog so you wouldn't have to leave the pup during the first few formative months of it's life.

Good luck with whatever you decide!! ;) 
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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2008, 08:58:54 PM »
When we got Honey, we were up front with her breeder about the fact that we both worked full time - we brought it up in our initial conversation, so she knew we were aware it was an issue, but that we had thought carefully about it. 

For the first few weeks, I was mainly working shift work, and OH had some time off work to settle her in, but there were times when she was left c.3 hrs from about 10weeks (we had built this up form the day we got her, so it wasn't a big shock to the system).  We always made sure she was tired before leaving her, and always left her toys etc.  We had a friend who helped out for lunchtimes, and I managed to work some weekends instead of weekdays for a while to give her more company. 

I soon changed jobs (for reasons not related to the puppy, but we later realised that, had I stayed in the job, we wouldn't have been able to manage Honey, as it wasn't just full-time, but involved lots of extra hours), and I now do sessional work.  I rarely start before 10am, normally get home for lunch, and am normally home again by 4.30pm.  The days I can't get back at lunch, our friend still looks in, so she isn't left for too long in one go.  She is left longer (in total) than some people would be happy with, however she is a happy, content puppy, who gets plenty of exercise, training and play.  (The days I am home for a morning, she always seems desperate for me to go in the afternoon!  ::) )  I am always on the look out for more things to keep her occupied while she's alone, however I think that this is more to do with me worrying than her needing more!!!

However we have had to make huge changes to the rest of our lives to make sure this set-up works for Honey - we no longer have lie-ins, trips to the cinema, Saturdays in town window shopping etc.... We do have seperate hobbies, which we still follow, but these are on different evenings, so do not affect the dog.  If we go out, we either only go for a very short time, or it has to be somewhere the dog can come too.... I don't regret a thing, but it is hard work.  If you are committed to your dog, it can work, but you will need to make sacrifices!  :D

We have also been very lucky with the personality of our dog - we looked for an independent character in the litter, and while Honey was happy to play with her littermates, she was also perfectly happy to play on her own, so we knew she was the pup for us!!   :luv:  Yes, house-training took longer, as we had to use paper in the house..... but we got there in the end!  :005:

I know people have strong opinions on this subject, and there will be plenty of people who disagree with what I have said, but it has worked for us.  We do still have the teenage years to get through, and there will, no doubt, be fresh challenges along the way, but we are committed to our dog, and will get through it.  I would love to be able to pay for day care, but I may as well just not work, as it would cost virtually all of my wages, and we can't afford for me not to work (we wouldn't be much use to Honey if we couldn't pay the mortgage). 

I think all to often the people who work and own dogs seem to expect to be able to go home and recharge their batteries after a long day at work before taking their dog out for a pleasant stroll to relax and unwind - this just doesn't work!  No matter how tired/stressed you are when you get in, the dog has to be number one priority, and you have to get out there (whatever the weather) and walk, play and train!!!  And those early walks are not relaxing, what with lead training, recall practice, socialising with other dogs!!!  :005:

The decision has to be yours, and you have had a lot of advice on here, and there are different views out there.  Take the time to consider all the implications of what everyone has said, and good luck with whatever you decide to do!!  :D
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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2008, 06:41:53 PM »
Hi Ross - welcome to COL.  You are doing absolutely the right thing asking for advice up front - a responsible first step!

If you both work full-time then my advice is you will need to have some doggy day care in place.  The puppy would not cope with being left for such long periods.  He/she will need to be able to learn from you - they also need to go to the loo on about an hourly basis whilst they are being toilet trained because they don't have sufficient bladder control.  At first you will need to get up during the night a couple of times to let you puppy go to the toilet if you are training him/her to go outside from the get go.

It is recommended that an adult dog is not left for longer than 4 hours and I would hesitate to leave an adult for this long personally.

Besides not having someone around to teach them the ropes, cocker puppies would not only get bored beyond belief and perhaps become destructive ie: chewing; they are likely to become distressed as they are so sociable and need company.

On the other hand if you can get some good doggy day care then go for it.  Enrol in a puppy class when your puppy is old enough (after jabs) and socialise your puppy as others have suggested.

If you take out pet insurance (ie: one which has unlimited cover and a lifetime policy (Pet plan do one of these)) your vet bills will be kept to a minimum.  My policy costs me £28 pm for Dax and my bengal cat which isn't bad.

And by the way you might be best to go for a show cocker rather than a working cocker as working cockers have even more energy than the show type (though I reckon Dax could give them a run for their money).

Good luck with your decision.   ;)

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« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »
hi Ross,

its good you are checking out the options beforeyou go ahead.  If you really really want a pup there are ways round working full time, but it is hard work.  We were both full time when we bought Ben home, so I used to get up at the crack of dawn to play with Ben, then take him out for a short walk before I went to work.  I used to come home at lunch time to give him another short walk and did some playing and training.  Ben was in a crate so was safe in the day and used to sleep a lot - BUT we got round things by making evening time into Bens daytime if you see what i mean.
We never left him in the evening - in fact he has never been left at home in the evening for 5 years!  That became Bens time, if we needed to go shopping we both went and one of us walked/carried Ben round the car park - great for socialisation!
We only went to pubs which allowed dogs and trips restaurants, cinema and anything where we couldn't take Ben was a no go.
We played and trained Ben in the evenings and I think for the first couple of years we didn't sit down before midnight to watch TV!  We were lucky things changed and my husband now works from home and is around a lot of the time. but we still never go anywhere without Ben - its become a habit really!

Sometimes it was exhausting when all we wanted to do was crash out when we got home from work, but I know we couldn't have done it any other way and be fair to Ben. He still is more lively and wants to play in the evening and sometimes at 11pm he is just getting his toys out :luv:

Good luck :luv:

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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2008, 10:12:13 PM »
okay so things have changed slightly ... we're going to ask my gf'd mum if she can walk it for an hour a day ... even if she can only do it 3 times a week we will get a dog walker for the other 2 days.

if this fails my gf can change shifts at work. so she wouldn't need to be in work until 12 and i would be home at half 4ish so that would be better hopefully.

Hi Ross - just a word of advice to add to the rest - when your puppy is young you need to limit the amount of walking it gets to around 5 minutes for each month of age and gradually build this up over time - so for a 12 week old pup you would walk for 15 mins tops up to 3 times a day - this is because the puppy is growing and you can cause problems with growth and bones if the puppy over does it.  I think the suggestion to consider getting an older dog is good advice - if you do go down that route you would need to go into the issues an older dog might have as they are being re-homed for a good reason usually ... you are certainly being responsible and if you can get the balance right you will make an excellent owner! Good luck  ;)
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